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Re: Not Going To Happen 'Cause I'm Not Harry Potter (Impossible Patron Requests)
« Reply #2925 on: September 26, 2013, 04:48:16 PM »
I think that was a good decision.  The impossible requests are "Not Going To Happen 'Cause I'm Not Harry Potter" not because you are unwilling.  Steering adults to juvenile works is often best.  If I want an over view of a topic I don't need a 700 page definitive tome.   A good work written for youth fits my need. 

OT:  It reminds me of when I was assigned to assist Dr. Oswald C. J. Hoffmann (of The Lutheran Hour radio show) during a visit to our military chapel.  He used a Greek New Testament.  After one presentation he was taken to task for not using the KJV, "Just like Jesus did." 

He was a much kinder person than I would have been.  After one futile attempt of explaining why the idea was historically inaccurate, he just smiled and said "I'll pray about it."   

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« Reply #2926 on: September 26, 2013, 11:11:30 PM »
I have a student whose parent decided to add him to a class of mine to learn to read. He'd been going to some other place for just over a year now and couldn't read a word (the other place is notorious for doing lots of "preparing for reading" activities and not any actual reading), but after one lesson with us, he could read simple words and a few sight words. His mother was thrilled.

But. There is a problem. She's too busy to take him to the class at the normal time, so do we have any other class times?

Me: "We have many classes, yes. Let me get you a time table so you can choose the one you think will work best."
Her: "No, just tell me. I can't bring him on weekdays because I'm too busy."
Me: "Well, okay, we have lots of lessons over the weekend, so-"
Her: "I'm not bringing him in over the weekend! That's his only time to relax from all his other tutoring he has to do during the week!" (he does an art class, swimming, etc.)
Me: "I'm not sure I understand. You can't bring him on weekdays, but you don't want to bring him on weekends?"
Her: "Yes. Do you have any classes for that?"

I was dumbfounded. So I kind of gave her the pamphlet with a timetable on it anyway. I hope she finds the mythical day which is neither a weekday nor a weekend. I'd love to know when that is. She was perfectly polite and everything, and I'm chalking it up to her having had a long day and being kind of out of it. I hope that's what it was, anyway.

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Re: Not Going To Happen 'Cause I'm Not Harry Potter (Impossible Patron Requests)
« Reply #2927 on: September 27, 2013, 01:40:44 AM »
This isn't an impossible patron request, just an impossible to believe patron, but I'm going to put it here anyway because I'm lazy.

So, it's Banned Books Week here in America. Many libraries have displays put up to inform the public and possibly stimulate thought and discussion on the issue. There are many challenges of library materials all over the country every year, ranging from some perfectly reasonable cases like "I believe this book should be in the adult collection rather than the juvenile," to other cases that boil down to "I don't like this book, so no one should be allowed to read it ever, and I'm suing you for tens of thousands of dollars in damages from just seeing the book and demanding that you publicly destroy it and asking the town council to declare displaying it to be a hate crime." (Baby Be Bop by Francesca Lia Block, for those interested.)

I put together a display for my library. I've got some books in there that probably won't surprise anyone - 50 Shades of Grey, Catcher In The Rye, Huck Finn, Harry Potter - and some that generally get a laugh or outright disbelief, such as the Bible, various picture books and Junie B Jones. All of the books I included have been challenged, banned or otherwise attacked here in the US relatively recently. Harry Potter, a non-King James Bible and the movie Coneheads were all burned by some nuts in either Michigan or Minnesota about ten years back, for example. I really wish I knew why they decided to burn Coneheads. It's far from a good movie, but also far from Dan Ackroyd's worst. If anyone wants to burn Caddyshack II, I'll provide the matches.

Anyway. Banned books display, all items with a short or long description of how and when they've been challenged. Including Junie B Jones, which gets a lot of reactions from the younger kids who are its target audience. Some parents explain the issue to their kids, some just gloss over it, but this one today sort of takes the cake.

A co-worker told me about it. A little girl asked her mom why Junie B Jones was banned, and her mom explained to her that when books are bad libraries ban them so no one has to read the bad books. You don't want to read books that are bad for you, do you, sweetie? The library takes care of things so you never will!

As God is my witness, I never thought that when I put up the Banned Books Week sign I'd need to include a second banner proclaiming, "For the record, we're against it."

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Re: Not Going To Happen 'Cause I'm Not Harry Potter (Impossible Patron Requests)
« Reply #2928 on: September 27, 2013, 05:58:04 AM »
This isn't an impossible patron request, just an impossible to believe patron, but I'm going to put it here anyway because I'm lazy.

So, it's Banned Books Week here in America. Many libraries have displays put up to inform the public and possibly stimulate thought and discussion on the issue. There are many challenges of library materials all over the country every year, ranging from some perfectly reasonable cases like "I believe this book should be in the adult collection rather than the juvenile," to other cases that boil down to "I don't like this book, so no one should be allowed to read it ever, and I'm suing you for tens of thousands of dollars in damages from just seeing the book and demanding that you publicly destroy it and asking the town council to declare displaying it to be a hate crime." (Baby Be Bop by Francesca Lia Block, for those interested.)

I put together a display for my library. I've got some books in there that probably won't surprise anyone - 50 Shades of Grey, Catcher In The Rye, Huck Finn, Harry Potter - and some that generally get a laugh or outright disbelief, such as the Bible, various picture books and Junie B Jones. All of the books I included have been challenged, banned or otherwise attacked here in the US relatively recently. Harry Potter, a non-King James Bible and the movie Coneheads were all burned by some nuts in either Michigan or Minnesota about ten years back, for example. I really wish I knew why they decided to burn Coneheads. It's far from a good movie, but also far from Dan Ackroyd's worst. If anyone wants to burn Caddyshack II, I'll provide the matches.

Anyway. Banned books display, all items with a short or long description of how and when they've been challenged. Including Junie B Jones, which gets a lot of reactions from the younger kids who are its target audience. Some parents explain the issue to their kids, some just gloss over it, but this one today sort of takes the cake.

A co-worker told me about it. A little girl asked her mom why Junie B Jones was banned, and her mom explained to her that when books are bad libraries ban them so no one has to read the bad books. You don't want to read books that are bad for you, do you, sweetie? The library takes care of things so you never will!

As God is my witness, I never thought that when I put up the Banned Books Week sign I'd need to include a second banner proclaiming, "For the record, we're against it."
I know why my Sister hates Junie B Jones (the way she speaks in non-standard English makes it hard for a dyslexic Mom to help her dyslexic child read) - but what was the reason given for trying t bann it.
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« Reply #2929 on: September 27, 2013, 07:08:06 AM »

A co-worker told me about it. A little girl asked her mom why Junie B Jones was banned, and her mom explained to her that when books are bad libraries ban them so no one has to read the bad books. You don't want to read books that are bad for you, do you, sweetie? The library takes care of things so you never will!

As God is my witness, I never thought that when I put up the Banned Books Week sign I'd need to include a second banner proclaiming, "For the record, we're against it."
My library had to put up multiple signs saying "You can check out banned books! All books at the library are available to check out." Also lots of pamphlets explaining the concept. My daughter picked out...wait for it...Captain Underpants. The librarian suggested "Wizard of Oz," banned due to having a strong heroine when girls don't need inner strength, and elsewhere for generally being a waste of time; but DD said we'd already read it and she'd like to try something new. Boy howdy, Captain Underpants is something new, all right.
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Re: Not Going To Happen 'Cause I'm Not Harry Potter (Impossible Patron Requests)
« Reply #2930 on: September 27, 2013, 07:13:51 AM »
This isn't an impossible patron request, just an impossible to believe patron, but I'm going to put it here anyway because I'm lazy.

So, it's Banned Books Week here in America. Many libraries have displays put up to inform the public and possibly stimulate thought and discussion on the issue. There are many challenges of library materials all over the country every year, ranging from some perfectly reasonable cases like "I believe this book should be in the adult collection rather than the juvenile," to other cases that boil down to "I don't like this book, so no one should be allowed to read it ever, and I'm suing you for tens of thousands of dollars in damages from just seeing the book and demanding that you publicly destroy it and asking the town council to declare displaying it to be a hate crime." (Baby Be Bop by Francesca Lia Block, for those interested.)

I put together a display for my library. I've got some books in there that probably won't surprise anyone - 50 Shades of Grey, Catcher In The Rye, Huck Finn, Harry Potter - and some that generally get a laugh or outright disbelief, such as the Bible, various picture books and Junie B Jones. All of the books I included have been challenged, banned or otherwise attacked here in the US relatively recently. Harry Potter, a non-King James Bible and the movie Coneheads were all burned by some nuts in either Michigan or Minnesota about ten years back, for example. I really wish I knew why they decided to burn Coneheads. It's far from a good movie, but also far from Dan Ackroyd's worst. If anyone wants to burn Caddyshack II, I'll provide the matches.

Anyway. Banned books display, all items with a short or long description of how and when they've been challenged. Including Junie B Jones, which gets a lot of reactions from the younger kids who are its target audience. Some parents explain the issue to their kids, some just gloss over it, but this one today sort of takes the cake.

A co-worker told me about it. A little girl asked her mom why Junie B Jones was banned, and her mom explained to her that when books are bad libraries ban them so no one has to read the bad books. You don't want to read books that are bad for you, do you, sweetie? The library takes care of things so you never will!

As God is my witness, I never thought that when I put up the Banned Books Week sign I'd need to include a second banner proclaiming, "For the record, we're against it."
I know why my Sister hates Junie B Jones (the way she speaks in non-standard English makes it hard for a dyslexic Mom to help her dyslexic child read) - but what was the reason given for trying t bann it.

I just looked it up because I never heard of the book and that is why. "Reasons cited are poor social values taught by the books and Junie B. Jones not being considered a good role model due to her mouthiness and bad spelling/grammar.[6]"


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Re: Not Going To Happen 'Cause I'm Not Harry Potter (Impossible Patron Requests)
« Reply #2931 on: September 27, 2013, 07:43:59 AM »
Yeah, we don't like Junie around here for that reason.  I was amused by reading about her as an adult, but once I had kids... yeah, not a role model I want them to emulate.

Doing banned books week at my library used to drive me batty.  Almost every book on the list we were supposed to use would be "banned" because there was ONE request to move it to the adult section instead of YA, or somebody had suggested that a middle school library wasn't the right place for the book, or because ONE person had complained about.  People, that's not "banned."  No idea who put together the list that we were supposed to go by, I don't remember where we got it, but whoever did it must have been working in a library where the dictionary had been banned as well.  I think the power of telling people about banned books is weakened when we start including books that were never actually banned, just complained about. 

Reminded me of the list that students would come in with, made by some teacher, of "black inventors," which was missing actual *real* black inventors like George Washington Carver, and instead included a bunch of people who had maybe patented an upgrade to an item but never *invented* anything, so there were no books available (one woman was credited with inventing the comb.  In 1850.  Because nobody had combs before that?).  But students were required to do a report on somebody on this list and weren't allowed to deviate and use an actual black inventor.  We usually cleared out of books on Gareth Morgan the first day and then we were stuck.  Library assignments that I do not miss!
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Re: Not Going To Happen 'Cause I'm Not Harry Potter (Impossible Patron Requests)
« Reply #2932 on: September 27, 2013, 09:59:02 AM »
Mommy Penguin, I feel your pain!  We used to carry patents and we were able to pull out the patents for these "upgrades" of which you speak.  I tried like crazy to explain to students that the only reason we know these people were black was because race was something that was checked back then for patents and isn't anymore.  (Witness the fact that all these "famous" inventors created the brush, the comb, the coat hanger years ago and not in the last thirty or forty years).  We wrote "Dear Dummy" letters to the teachers explaining that there were no books or articles with which a student could write a fifteen page report. 

Naturally, we were, well, the R word for not being able to come up with several hefty tomes and journal articles on the life of each person.

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Re: Not Going To Happen 'Cause I'm Not Harry Potter (Impossible Patron Requests)
« Reply #2933 on: September 27, 2013, 10:48:22 AM »
This isn't an impossible patron request, just an impossible to believe patron, but I'm going to put it here anyway because I'm lazy.

So, it's Banned Books Week here in America. Many libraries have displays put up to inform the public and possibly stimulate thought and discussion on the issue. There are many challenges of library materials all over the country every year, ranging from some perfectly reasonable cases like "I believe this book should be in the adult collection rather than the juvenile," to other cases that boil down to "I don't like this book, so no one should be allowed to read it ever, and I'm suing you for tens of thousands of dollars in damages from just seeing the book and demanding that you publicly destroy it and asking the town council to declare displaying it to be a hate crime." (Baby Be Bop by Francesca Lia Block, for those interested.)

I put together a display for my library. I've got some books in there that probably won't surprise anyone - 50 Shades of Grey, Catcher In The Rye, Huck Finn, Harry Potter - and some that generally get a laugh or outright disbelief, such as the Bible, various picture books and Junie B Jones. All of the books I included have been challenged, banned or otherwise attacked here in the US relatively recently. Harry Potter, a non-King James Bible and the movie Coneheads were all burned by some nuts in either Michigan or Minnesota about ten years back, for example. I really wish I knew why they decided to burn Coneheads. It's far from a good movie, but also far from Dan Ackroyd's worst. If anyone wants to burn Caddyshack II, I'll provide the matches.

Anyway. Banned books display, all items with a short or long description of how and when they've been challenged. Including Junie B Jones, which gets a lot of reactions from the younger kids who are its target audience. Some parents explain the issue to their kids, some just gloss over it, but this one today sort of takes the cake.

A co-worker told me about it. A little girl asked her mom why Junie B Jones was banned, and her mom explained to her that when books are bad libraries ban them so no one has to read the bad books. You don't want to read books that are bad for you, do you, sweetie? The library takes care of things so you never will!

As God is my witness, I never thought that when I put up the Banned Books Week sign I'd need to include a second banner proclaiming, "For the record, we're against it."
I know why my Sister hates Junie B Jones (the way she speaks in non-standard English makes it hard for a dyslexic Mom to help her dyslexic child read) - but what was the reason given for trying t bann it.

I just looked it up because I never heard of the book and that is why. "Reasons cited are poor social values taught by the books and Junie B. Jones not being considered a good role model due to her mouthiness and bad spelling/grammar.[6]"

The grammar is bad, but can be very accurate for the age group they were written.

My oldest daughter liked them very much, we read them together when she was in preschool. When she started Kindergarten, my daughter came home the first week every day announcing that she hadn't been sent to the Principal's office yet. Then she came home one day and announced that she had been sent to the Principal's office, just like Junie B!  It was part of a scavenger hunt to help them learn where everything was in the school, like the library, and included being sent to find the Principal's office where he gave every child a sticker. They were actually using rhymes from the story about the Little Gingerbread Man to send them to places.


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Re: Not Going To Happen 'Cause I'm Not Harry Potter (Impossible Patron Requests)
« Reply #2934 on: September 27, 2013, 11:30:04 AM »
I think the Junie B. books make great lessons. DD and I will laugh at a situation, I'll ask her if the way May or Junie handled it was appropriate, she'll say No and we can go from there. Personally, I think the author has some great insight into the way kids actually speak and the way they are inclined to act. I also subscribe to the Maya Angelou quote "Any book that helps a child to form a habit of reading, to make reading one of his deep and continuing needs, is good for him." Some people don't feel that way , or feel that way with exceptions, and that's OK too, just explaining where I'm coming from.
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« Reply #2935 on: September 27, 2013, 03:51:22 PM »
Kids who are given good examples and are gently corrected do not speak like that. I didn't. My kids didn't. My grandchildren don't unless it is an honest slip or misunderstanding (we still have a 6-year old). And the only other kids who were taught like my kids that I know of only spoke like that because of peer pressure. I gently corrected the students unless there was something emotional they were trying to discuss or if they were having trouble finding the words to express what they were trying to say. Yes. I could be a Grammar Nazi given half the chance, even though I admit slip up now and then, of course.

I love that Jones made the Junie B. books a discussion point, though. I never thought of that!

Hmm. It looks like this thread is slightly derailed. I'm sorry about that.

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« Reply #2936 on: September 28, 2013, 05:23:20 PM »
B/G: I work for a big university - so we have sports teams.  One of our teams had a game today.  This call took place yesterday.  Just note that what I do at work is at least moderately clear from what I actually say instead of "Department of University"

Phone rings.
I answer:  "Good afternoon, Department of University.  This is Greencat speaking, how may I help you?"
Caller: "Hi!  This is Theresa!" (She sounds as though she is in her mid to late 50s, and is extremely happy.)
Me: "Good afternoon Theresa.  How can I help you today?"
Caller:  "This is Theresa!" (Still upbeat)
Me: (Starting to get a sense that this call is not going to go anywhere sane) "This is the Department of University.  How can I help you today?"
Caller: "How is Bob?" (She is still far, far, far too happy for this conversation to be normal.)
Me: "Bob Who?"
Caller:  "Bob!  You know, Bob!" (She still sounds excited, although confused that I don't know who she's speaking of.  She sounds like she's talking to someone she's known her entire life and is incredibly close to.  I know exactly one person with her name, and she's definitely not that person.)
Me: "What's the last name, ma'am?" (We have literally thousands of employees.)
Caller:  "Bob!  Bob Smith, the Sports Team Head Coach!"
Me: "Well, ma'am, I don't know him personally, but Sports Team has been doing well this season." (At this point I was pretty sure she was missing a few bulbs from the Christmas tree.)
Caller:  "Well, can you have him give me a call? This is Theresa." (As she has this whole time, she speaks as though we have known each other our entire lives and I should know her number by heart, as well as know the big-wig Sports Team Head Coach personally.)
Me: "Let me transfer you to Athletics." (Commence speedy button pushing.)

Coworker:  You have that puzzled-cat look again.

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« Reply #2937 on: September 28, 2013, 05:35:08 PM »
Kids who are given good examples and are gently corrected do not speak like that. I didn't. My kids didn't. My grandchildren don't unless it is an honest slip or misunderstanding (we still have a 6-year old). And the only other kids who were taught like my kids that I know of only spoke like that because of peer pressure. I gently corrected the students unless there was something emotional they were trying to discuss or if they were having trouble finding the words to express what they were trying to say. Yes. I could be a Grammar Nazi given half the chance, even though I admit slip up now and then, of course.

I love that Jones made the Junie B. books a discussion point, though. I never thought of that!

Hmm. It looks like this thread is slightly derailed. I'm sorry about that.

A different type of Junie B. rant.  I always disliked the books being read to kindergarten students.  I liked reading them to 3rd grade students because they understood the misperceptions and had a context as to why the behavior wasn't appropriate. They got the humor.  I used to try and get the K teachers away from Junie B., but no luck.

Now, I'm off to expose the public to BAAAAAD books. 

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Re: Not Going To Happen 'Cause I'm Not Harry Potter (Impossible Patron Requests)
« Reply #2938 on: September 28, 2013, 06:06:50 PM »
Kids who are given good examples and are gently corrected do not speak like that. I didn't. My kids didn't. My grandchildren don't unless it is an honest slip or misunderstanding (we still have a 6-year old). And the only other kids who were taught like my kids that I know of only spoke like that because of peer pressure. I gently corrected the students unless there was something emotional they were trying to discuss or if they were having trouble finding the words to express what they were trying to say. Yes. I could be a Grammar Nazi given half the chance, even though I admit slip up now and then, of course.

I love that Jones made the Junie B. books a discussion point, though. I never thought of that!

Hmm. It looks like this thread is slightly derailed. I'm sorry about that.

A different type of Junie B. rant.  I always disliked the books being read to kindergarten students.  I liked reading them to 3rd grade students because they understood the misperceptions and had a context as to why the behavior wasn't appropriate. They got the humor.  I used to try and get the K teachers away from Junie B., but no luck.

Now, I'm off to expose the public to BAAAAAD books.

I've run into that issue with a few books!  Where it's clear to an older reader exactly what the child is doing wrong and what almost happened (especially if the disaster was averted), but it's not always clear to younger readers, so they think it turned out perfectly okay (and they don't get what *almost* happened and how the child was saved by parents, other kids, or chance).

And then there are books like The House at Pooh Corner, which are delightful to adults because there's so much subtle humor, but are generally over little kids' heads.  But by the time they are old enough to get the humor, they don't want to read it, because it's Winnie the Pooh.  So sad.
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Re: Not Going To Happen 'Cause I'm Not Harry Potter (Impossible Patron Requests)
« Reply #2939 on: September 28, 2013, 07:22:54 PM »
And then there are books like The House at Pooh Corner, which are delightful to adults because there's so much subtle humor, but are generally over little kids' heads.  But by the time they are old enough to get the humor, they don't want to read it, because it's Winnie the Pooh.  So sad.

Maybe this is the real reason we have kids! I always thought it was instinctive and social, but maybe it's to revisit literature!