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Jocelyn

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Re: Not Going To Happen 'Cause I'm Not Harry Potter (Impossible Patron Requests)
« Reply #3075 on: November 17, 2013, 03:26:10 PM »


Yeah, I thought that was snarky too, and my immediate thought was "Not many people can afford to go back to university as a mature student". It costs money to pay the tuition fees and then you're not working because you're at uni full time, so how do you pay your bills?

In the UK many mature students obtain degrees using the Open University and study in their spare time at home, attending groups and lectures in the evenings at local universities. It's very popular. And it works very well.
Sorry; I didn't mean it in a snarky way. Apparently it's another cultural reference that doesn't translate to another country well.
And I am very surprised to hear that the UK is so very different from the US in academic structure. Here, very very few traditional students are being totally supported by their parents. As a matter of fact, 12 hours is now considered full time, because of the number of traditional students who are self-supporting and who cannot take the 15 hours or more that are required to graduate in 4 years. Most of my traditional students are working 30 or more hours a week. Some of my nontrads are not working at all, because they have a spouse who can help with support. Both trads and nontrads are eligible for financial aid. And for that matter, students don't have to attend full-time. Many students are taking half-time classes and working full-time. The only financial incentive for going to uni right after high school is if you've won a scholarship from the state...but they only go to the best students, so there's very little chance that someone who has absolutely no idea of what they want to do will get one. Of course there are student loans as well, which make it fairly easy to pay your way through college, but which leave many graduates with a big debt load. 
But yes, I'm surprised that the UK doesn't have similar government programs or business incentives for people to pursue degrees.

Katana_Geldar

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Re: Not Going To Happen 'Cause I'm Not Harry Potter (Impossible Patron Requests)
« Reply #3076 on: November 17, 2013, 03:32:52 PM »
They did, but they were cut. I remember seeing the protests on the news.

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« Reply #3077 on: November 17, 2013, 03:57:08 PM »
The trouble is, it's very difficult to know exactly what you want to do and how at 17.
And no one says you have to go to college at 17.
 

I agree. I'm 47, went the four year route right out of HS, without a blessed clue what I wanted to do. didn't take it all that seriously, but in my defense, I often wonder if I have some issues since I am not stupid, but have trouble focusing, applying myself etc. who knows? I kind of wish that maybe I had done community college, then transferred, working too.

but back in the day, and the fact i went to a very competitive HS, that was ONLY the route, or the perception was, if you couldn't get in anywhere else, and were a failure. never mind plenty of kids went taht route since they couldn't afford a 4 year school. But then, anyone who did that was seen as a screwup.

However, in my 30's i went back to school, got my MS and graduated with honors. and enjoyed school! which I never did before.


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Re: Not Going To Happen 'Cause I'm Not Harry Potter (Impossible Patron Requests)
« Reply #3078 on: November 17, 2013, 03:57:26 PM »
Student loans are available but are pitiful.  AFAIK they are still means-tested (ie, based on parents' income - so parents are expected to support).  In fact, I heard that the Govt has been considering removing all benefits (welfare) for anyone under 25, on the basis that people under that age will be supported by their parents instead.

When I was at uni full-time, I did 26 hours a week in lectures and lab time alone - plus hours of homework, revision, travelling too and from etc.  I did wonder how American students managed to earn a living at the same time as studying full-time, I had assumed they did similar hours.
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Re: Not Going To Happen 'Cause I'm Not Harry Potter (Impossible Patron Requests)
« Reply #3079 on: November 17, 2013, 04:52:48 PM »
I think we're getting off-topic.

I had a call the other day from someone who informed me she wanted information on space.

Anything in particular?

No, just space. /eyeroll

I finally managed to narrow her down to an actual topic, but there was definitely some blinking going on for a minute.
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« Reply #3080 on: November 17, 2013, 04:56:46 PM »
You could tell them: Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.

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Re: Not Going To Happen 'Cause I'm Not Harry Potter (Impossible Patron Requests)
« Reply #3081 on: November 17, 2013, 05:44:03 PM »
Space: The Final Frontier

I could go on.  :D
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Jocelyn

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Re: Not Going To Happen 'Cause I'm Not Harry Potter (Impossible Patron Requests)
« Reply #3083 on: November 17, 2013, 06:24:50 PM »
When I was at uni full-time, I did 26 hours a week in lectures and lab time alone - plus hours of homework, revision, travelling too and from etc.  I did wonder how American students managed to earn a living at the same time as studying full-time, I had assumed they did similar hours.
What we call 'hours' are perhaps more properly called 'credits'. You must have 120 hours (or a few more) to graduate with a bachelor's degree. A 3 credit hour class typically means you attend lecture 3 hours a week. Back in my day, you were expected to study the same number of hours studying, although now more students claim that they are studying much less than that. So yes, the average US student is in class much less than 26 hours a week. 12 hours in class, 12 hours of studying, and 30 hours a week on a job still makes a busy week.

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Re: Not Going To Happen 'Cause I'm Not Harry Potter (Impossible Patron Requests)
« Reply #3084 on: November 17, 2013, 06:27:44 PM »
Can we move the discussion about higher education to a different thread? It's moved rather far away from the topic of this one.


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Re: Not Going To Happen 'Cause I'm Not Harry Potter (Impossible Patron Requests)
« Reply #3085 on: November 17, 2013, 07:45:27 PM »
You could tell them: Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.

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Re: Not Going To Happen 'Cause I'm Not Harry Potter (Impossible Patron Requests)
« Reply #3087 on: November 18, 2013, 07:28:35 AM »
You could tell them: Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.

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Re: Not Going To Happen 'Cause I'm Not Harry Potter (Impossible Patron Requests)
« Reply #3088 on: November 18, 2013, 10:05:05 AM »
I think we're getting off-topic.

I had a call the other day from someone who informed me she wanted information on space.

Anything in particular?

No, just space. /eyeroll

I finally managed to narrow her down to an actual topic, but there was definitely some blinking going on for a minute.

Winterlight, you are a hero for getting her down to what she really wanted. There are days I would rather take on the twelve labors of Hercules than try to narrow a topic down to what the patron really wants.  Among my favorites:

1) The girls who had been given fifteen books on hurricanes and tornados to research a project about tornados.  They kept coming back to complain that they didn't want to have to read the chapters on hurricanes and didn't we just have books on tornados.  The concept of skipping the chapter was completely alien to them.

2) The girl who was writing a research paper on rape.  She was given all the requisite magazine articles and books we had.  Then she kept coming to the desk asking that we take scissors and remove all paragraphs that didn't use the word rape.  Apparently if the word wasn't in the paragraph, then it clearly had nothing to do with the topic.

3) "I want everything on the civil war"  (We don't even bother asking which one any more, since, to our patrons, there was only one Civil War).  This particular question is used by a training program for improving reference performance.  It's quite refreshing in many ways and helps you refocus on getting to the heart of things....but the trainers use a script that makes me want to cry as it doesn't actually work like that in real life.

The Script:

Librarian:  What can I help you with?
Patron: I want everything on The Civil War.
Lib: Hm, that covers a large area.  Can you narrow it down for me?
Pat: The U.S. Civil War.
Lib: That's still a big topic.  Can you tell me what interests you?
Pat: Well, I saw Matthew Brady's photos of field hospitals and I am really interested in knowing more about it.
Lib: So you want to know more about how field hospitals operated during the U.S. Civil War.
Pat: Yes, that's it exactly!

Compare with the interview in real life:

Lib: What can I help you find today?
Patron: I want everything you got on the Civil War.
Lib: Well, that's a pretty wide topic.  Can you narrow it down a little?
Patron: Everything on the Civil War.
Lib: Well, I can get you several books on the general aspects of the war and--
Pat: Not "aspects" I want all the books you got on the war.
Lib: That's a lot of books.  Isn't this assignment supposed to be about one aspect of the war?  Isn't there an area you are particularly interested in?
Pat: I want everything on the U.S. Civil War!  I don't go time to argue!  Just get me everything you got!
Librarian brings half a dozen books on the war to the patron.
Patron storms back.
Pat: This book is about how the war got started!  I told you I want everything on the war!  Everything!
Librarian gets more books.
Pat: (now really mad) I want to read about the %$#^in' field hospitals and you didn't bring me nothing about them!
Lib: I did ask you if there was an area you were interested in and you told me everything.  You'll need to check the indexes for...
Pat: You guys never help me at all!  You're supposed to be helping me get what I want!  I HATE this library!  (storms out)

Librarian is left wishing that a small blue police call box would materialize and take her away.  Anywhere.

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Re: Not Going To Happen 'Cause I'm Not Harry Potter (Impossible Patron Requests)
« Reply #3089 on: November 18, 2013, 10:07:51 AM »
I think we're getting off-topic.

I had a call the other day from someone who informed me she wanted information on space.

Anything in particular?

No, just space. /eyeroll

I finally managed to narrow her down to an actual topic, but there was definitely some blinking going on for a minute.

Winterlight, you are a hero for getting her down to what she really wanted. There are days I would rather take on the twelve labors of Hercules than try to narrow a topic down to what the patron really wants.  Among my favorites:

1) The girls who had been given fifteen books on hurricanes and tornados to research a project about tornados.  They kept coming back to complain that they didn't want to have to read the chapters on hurricanes and didn't we just have books on tornados.  The concept of skipping the chapter was completely alien to them.

2) The girl who was writing a research paper on rape.  She was given all the requisite magazine articles and books we had.  Then she kept coming to the desk asking that we take scissors and remove all paragraphs that didn't use the word rape.  Apparently if the word wasn't in the paragraph, then it clearly had nothing to do with the topic.

3) "I want everything on the civil war"  (We don't even bother asking which one any more, since, to our patrons, there was only one Civil War).  This particular question is used by a training program for improving reference performance.  It's quite refreshing in many ways and helps you refocus on getting to the heart of things....but the trainers use a script that makes me want to cry as it doesn't actually work like that in real life.

The Script:

Librarian:  What can I help you with?
Patron: I want everything on The Civil War.
Lib: Hm, that covers a large area.  Can you narrow it down for me?
Pat: The U.S. Civil War.
Lib: That's still a big topic.  Can you tell me what interests you?
Pat: Well, I saw Matthew Brady's photos of field hospitals and I am really interested in knowing more about it.
Lib: So you want to know more about how field hospitals operated during the U.S. Civil War.
Pat: Yes, that's it exactly!

Compare with the interview in real life:

Lib: What can I help you find today?
Patron: I want everything you got on the Civil War.
Lib: Well, that's a pretty wide topic.  Can you narrow it down a little?
Patron: Everything on the Civil War.
Lib: Well, I can get you several books on the general aspects of the war and--
Pat: Not "aspects" I want all the books you got on the war.
Lib: That's a lot of books.  Isn't this assignment supposed to be about one aspect of the war?  Isn't there an area you are particularly interested in?
Pat: I want everything on the U.S. Civil War!  I don't go time to argue!  Just get me everything you got!
Librarian brings half a dozen books on the war to the patron.
Patron storms back.
Pat: This book is about how the war got started!  I told you I want everything on the war!  Everything!
Librarian gets more books.
Pat: (now really mad) I want to read about the %$#^in' field hospitals and you didn't bring me nothing about them!
Lib: I did ask you if there was an area you were interested in and you told me everything.  You'll need to check the indexes for...
Pat: You guys never help me at all!  You're supposed to be helping me get what I want!  I HATE this library!  (storms out)

Librarian is left wishing that a small blue police call box would materialize and take her away.  Anywhere.

Actually if the small blue police call box did appear, you could have it take the patron to the Civil War.  Problem solved!