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Would it help to tell the *parent* after each lesson "Sally has to do this book work.  If she doesn't have it done before the next lesson period, she will spend the lesson time doing that book work instead of progressing."

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I was in piano 12 years and, although I progressed, it was slow and painful. I had a very difficult time "getting" music, my brain just doesn't work that way. It irks me today when I hear other mothers talking about how their kids simply have to learn piano because if they don't, the kids will never succeed in life (paraphrased). But, yeah, the least the kid could do is work in the piano theory book.

My younger sister started piano lessons because the Ed. Psych said she would benefit from dping something which she would find frustrating! (I assume frustrating as is 'you actually have to work to learn it, you can't just sit down and do it right the very first .)

Of course, the rest of the family found it quite frustrating to start with, too...

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If mom can't "help" with the homework, mom could ask the student to teach mom theory while the information is fresh in the child's mind as she does her papers. Sometimes that helps. I found being a tutor solidified stuff in my brain.

Sometimes, the student isn't wired for music theory (or math) and nothing will help.

We have learned over the years that by "helping" with homework, to some it means doing it rather than guiding.

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I was in piano 12 years and, although I progressed, it was slow and painful. I had a very difficult time "getting" music, my brain just doesn't work that way. It irks me today when I hear other mothers talking about how their kids simply have to learn piano because if they don't, the kids will never succeed in life (paraphrased). But, yeah, the least the kid could do is work in the piano theory book.

I could NEVER read music to save my hide.  Good thing I never had to use that skill in real life! 


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I was in piano 12 years and, although I progressed, it was slow and painful. I had a very difficult time "getting" music, my brain just doesn't work that way. It irks me today when I hear other mothers talking about how their kids simply have to learn piano because if they don't, the kids will never succeed in life (paraphrased). But, yeah, the least the kid could do is work in the piano theory book.

I could NEVER read music to save my hide.  Good thing I never had to use that skill in real life!

I've always seen reading music (not piano necessarily, just music in general) kind of like swimming: once you know how, you can't fathom how some other people can't.  If you've never learned, though, it's a complete mystery why some people can be so casual about knowing it  :P

I do think a lot of adults know "notes on top sound higher than the notes on the bottom" - but there's a pretty wide gulf between that and actually *reading* music.

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My younger sister started piano lessons because the Ed. Psych said she would benefit from doing something which she would find frustrating! (I assume frustrating as is 'you actually have to work to learn it, you can't just sit down and do it right the very first .)
:o :o :o   Then the Ed. Psych uses "frustrating" in a completely different fashion than the rest of the English-speaking world. 

frus·trate transitive verb \ˈfrəs-ˌtrāt\ 
: to cause (someone) to feel angry, discouraged, or upset because of not being able to do something
: to prevent (efforts, plans, etc.) from succeeding
: to keep (someone) from doing something

 Why in the world would you want your child to be angry, discouraged, and upset? How could that possibly benefit her?

Maybe the word they wanted is "challenging."
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^^^ That's definitely how I felt during my piano lessons! I got strong fingers out of it and still can't read the hymnal, lol.
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My younger sister started piano lessons because the Ed. Psych said she would benefit from doing something which she would find frustrating! (I assume frustrating as is 'you actually have to work to learn it, you can't just sit down and do it right the very first .)
:o :o :o   Then the Ed. Psych uses "frustrating" in a completely different fashion than the rest of the English-speaking world. 

frus·trate transitive verb \ˈfrəs-ˌtrāt\ 
: to cause (someone) to feel angry, discouraged, or upset because of not being able to do something
: to prevent (efforts, plans, etc.) from succeeding
: to keep (someone) from doing something

 Why in the world would you want your child to be angry, discouraged, and upset? How could that possibly benefit her?

Maybe the word they wanted is "challenging."

Our daughter received her first B in college. Seriously! She was very, very upset. We honestly felt it was kind of a help for her to see what she considered a failure. She was never cocky or snotty about her straight A forever as a child or young adult, but she still needed to feel "failure", as she saw it.

Why did we see it that way? I can't articulate the reason.

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My younger sister started piano lessons because the Ed. Psych said she would benefit from doing something which she would find frustrating! (I assume frustrating as is 'you actually have to work to learn it, you can't just sit down and do it right the very first .)
:o :o :o   Then the Ed. Psych uses "frustrating" in a completely different fashion than the rest of the English-speaking world. 

frus·trate transitive verb \ˈfrəs-ˌtrāt\ 
: to cause (someone) to feel angry, discouraged, or upset because of not being able to do something
: to prevent (efforts, plans, etc.) from succeeding
: to keep (someone) from doing something

 Why in the world would you want your child to be angry, discouraged, and upset? How could that possibly benefit her?

Maybe the word they wanted is "challenging."

Our daughter received her first B in college. Seriously! She was very, very upset. We honestly felt it was kind of a help for her to see what she considered a failure. She was never cocky or snotty about her straight A forever as a child or young adult, but she still needed to feel "failure", as she saw it.

Why did we see it that way? I can't articulate the reason.

Maybe it was exactly because she was never cocky or snotty about it- was she the type who was always worried about getting an A, never with any confidence that she would, but terrified of the consequences if she didn't? (I'm not saying that even if she did feel that way, it had anything to do with you, it's just that some people sometimes do that.)

Because then maybe, it's the confirmation that it's "safe" to get less than an A, that life will go on and she can relax.  Because I know that is pretty much what I went through as a younger person, so if that's the case, I can relate.

(I still wouldn't advocate deliberately setting a child up for "failure", what the rest of the world considers "failure" or not.)

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I was in piano 12 years and, although I progressed, it was slow and painful. I had a very difficult time "getting" music, my brain just doesn't work that way. It irks me today when I hear other mothers talking about how their kids simply have to learn piano because if they don't, the kids will never succeed in life (paraphrased). But, yeah, the least the kid could do is work in the piano theory book.

I could NEVER read music to save my hide.  Good thing I never had to use that skill in real life!

I've always seen reading music (not piano necessarily, just music in general) kind of like swimming: once you know how, you can't fathom how some other people can't.  If you've never learned, though, it's a complete mystery why some people can be so casual about knowing it  :P

I do think a lot of adults know "notes on top sound higher than the notes on the bottom" - but there's a pretty wide gulf between that and actually *reading* music.

I played percussion as a kid and so I can read music for rhythm, but not for pitch. I know how long each note lasts, but not what pitch corresponds to what line of the staff.

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I was in piano 12 years and, although I progressed, it was slow and painful. I had a very difficult time "getting" music, my brain just doesn't work that way. It irks me today when I hear other mothers talking about how their kids simply have to learn piano because if they don't, the kids will never succeed in life (paraphrased). But, yeah, the least the kid could do is work in the piano theory book.

I could NEVER read music to save my hide.  Good thing I never had to use that skill in real life!

I've always seen reading music (not piano necessarily, just music in general) kind of like swimming: once you know how, you can't fathom how some other people can't.  If you've never learned, though, it's a complete mystery why some people can be so casual about knowing it  :P

I do think a lot of adults know "notes on top sound higher than the notes on the bottom" - but there's a pretty wide gulf between that and actually *reading* music.

Not to mention the fact that each instrument is almost its own "dialect" of music.  It's very strange.  If I have a flute in my hands, I can read the super-high ledger lines over the treble clef without the slightest problem.  Switch out for an oboe, and it's suddenly a strange mess of floating notes.

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I was in piano 12 years and, although I progressed, it was slow and painful. I had a very difficult time "getting" music, my brain just doesn't work that way. It irks me today when I hear other mothers talking about how their kids simply have to learn piano because if they don't, the kids will never succeed in life (paraphrased). But, yeah, the least the kid could do is work in the piano theory book.

I could NEVER read music to save my hide.  Good thing I never had to use that skill in real life!

I've always seen reading music (not piano necessarily, just music in general) kind of like swimming: once you know how, you can't fathom how some other people can't.  If you've never learned, though, it's a complete mystery why some people can be so casual about knowing it  :P

I do think a lot of adults know "notes on top sound higher than the notes on the bottom" - but there's a pretty wide gulf between that and actually *reading* music.

Not to mention the fact that each instrument is almost its own "dialect" of music.  It's very strange.  If I have a flute in my hands, I can read the super-high ledger lines over the treble clef without the slightest problem.  Switch out for an oboe, and it's suddenly a strange mess of floating notes.

Never mind bass clef.

I was in band for years and a decent clarinetist, but I never learned any of the theory - keys were (and are) a deep mystery to me.

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We are a chemical company and we do toll compounding.  A customer will come to us with his "recipe" and we make and package his product.  Sometimes, the customer will ask us to develop a product for them.  They come in with a list of what they want the product to do.  I've had quite a few that want their products to :

Clean everything under the sun, from asphalt on the car paint to baby's diapers with a single product that has to be : biodegradable, organic, nontoxic, noncorrosive, nonflammable, inexpensive.  All at the same time  ::)  I once suggested they spit on the stain and wipe with their sleeves, army style. Good thing my boss has a sense of humour.   
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Better yet, how about the people who want "no chemicals" in their product.

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We are a chemical company and we do toll compounding.  A customer will come to us with his "recipe" and we make and package his product.  Sometimes, the customer will ask us to develop a product for them.  They come in with a list of what they want the product to do.  I've had quite a few that want their products to :

Clean everything under the sun, from asphalt on the car paint to baby's diapers with a single product that has to be : biodegradable, organic, nontoxic, noncorrosive, nonflammable, inexpensive.  All at the same time  ::)  I once suggested they spit on the stain and wipe with their sleeves, army style. Good thing my boss has a sense of humour.   

Time to formulate them some Dihydrogen Monoxide.
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