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ButterflieRJ

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Annoying train-riding companion...
« on: December 14, 2006, 04:12:05 PM »
I'm putting this here because it deals with my commute to (and occasionally from) work.

A few weeks ago a guy sat down next to me on the train and eventually said, "hey, you and I get off at the same stop".  Cool cool.  We introduced ourselves and talked about what we do until the stop came up.

Since then, he's proceeded to sit with me EVERY. MORNING. AND EVERY. EVENING.  Now, if I were grabbing the last empty seat I could understand, but this is even when there are empty seats around!  And if I manage to take a facing seat (where 2 2-seater seats face each other) he's STILL sits next to me, instead of taking his OWN seat! 

Every time he sits with me he talks and talks, or asks me questions about work, life, etc.  He knows I have a BF, who I am living with, too, and I doubt he's cocky enough to think he could "steal me away" from him.  Occasionally he drinks potent-smelling energy drinks (the kind that smell like cough syrup) or eats and talks with his mouth full.  He's also occasionally smelly--like he pulled a pair of pants out of the laundry and said "I can wear these for one more day"--and has this irksome patch of hair under his nose that leads me to believe he NEVER looks in a mirror (he's clean shaven otherwise, and this is very irregular and otherwise hard to explain, LOL!).  He also walks the same direction that I do in the mornings now, instead of taking the bus like he used to, which he claims is shorter, and continues to talk.  And now doesn't "hurry to make the earlier train" but waits to make the one I take in the evenings. 

I really prefer to have my own seat if possible, and I like to quietly read or sleep (especially in the mornings--I'm NOT a morning person!) on the way to and from work.  He doesn't even ask to sit with me any more, just plops down and starts talking, even if I have my eyes closed or my book open and am reading.  I've politely said, "I need to sleep, I'm pretty tired today" or done the "uh huh... yea" thing while reading (which makes me feel like I'm being rude) and he just doesn't seem to get it.  I'

At first it was ok, but I'm at the point where I dread getting on the train--I'm sufficiently annoyed and borderline creeped out!  Yesterday morning I hopped on as soon as the doors opened and went into a different section than I normally go and sunk down real low so he wouldn't see me.  And yesterday evening I went down a car from the one I'm normally on and went the opposite direction from where's most convenient for me to get off.  This morning I was late and saw him get into a different car and actually blurted out "Thank G-D!"... AHHHH!!!  I then felt REALLY bad!!

So, etiquette questions:
1. Am I being rude for:
    - avoiding him? 
    - ignoring him if he inturrupts my sleeping or reading?
    - telling him "I have to sleep"?
2. Am I over-reacting, or is he being... overbearing?
3. How can I continue to be polite without sending the wrong kinds of signals?
- RJ

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Re: Annoying train-riding companion...
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2006, 04:45:22 PM »
I can't answer you from an etiquette point of view - others here know much more than me on that subject.  However, I don't think you are rude for telling him you want to sleep or for ignoring him (after saying hello of course) and going back to what you were reading.

But my opinion is that he's a little overbearing but probably doesn't mean to be. It's like when you have lunch with a co-worker one day and it is nice, and then every day after that they want to have lunch with you.

Honestly, I'd be avoiding him, which is probably not the correct thing to do, but I'm usually non confrontational with people that I will see on a regular basis. It would just be hard for me to say - look you're nice but I don't want to sit with you every day. Maybe some people could say that but I don't think I could unless I hated the person.  However, what a pain for you to have to make an effort to avoid him.

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Re: Annoying train-riding companion...
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2006, 05:39:32 PM »
I think avoidance is your best response here. I have dealt with this same issue.  DONT give him any info about yourself (creeped me out when it happened to me!) Get on a different car and even sit next to someone else so that he cannot sit next to you.  (inconvenient, I know, but which scenario would you rather face?)

It doesnt sound like this guy gets it, so I wouldnt feel bad about saying something like: I appreciate your friendliness, but when I say I need to sleep, I really mean it.  Please dont talk to me.

In this case, just because you are saying something someone may not like to hear doesnt mean you are being rude.
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Re: Annoying train-riding companion...
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2006, 05:53:44 PM »
Glad to see a couple others feel the same way I do, LOL!  I was starting to feel kinda bad about how I was responding, because I just wasn't raised to be that way.
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Re: Annoying train-riding companion...
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2006, 05:55:36 PM »
"I was up last night with quite a cough.  I'm afraid I'm going to have to beg off conversation and get some sleep on the train today.  Excuse me."  Nods off....

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Re: Annoying train-riding companion...
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2006, 06:26:46 PM »
This happened to me on a bus once and it creeped me out.

I think you can say to someone who gets too chatty, "I'm sorry-I'm not feeling that good right now. Do you mind if we talk some other time?"  Then pull out a book or newspaper, look out the window, close your eyes, or do something that indicates that you are not in a talkative mood.
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Re: Annoying train-riding companion...
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2006, 10:31:27 PM »
Having to hide from this guy is a terrible way to begin and end your day.  Since the subtle approach doesn't work with this guy, I'd say you should be direct, but in a kind way, such as,

"I'm afraid I gave you the impression that I like to talk on my commute.  I really don't.  I'm not a morning person at all -- I'm still waking up when I get on this train.  And, in the afternoon, I need some down time to decompress after work.   Rather than sitting together to talk when I'm not in the mood, I'm going to sit by myself from now on.  If I ever find myself in a chatty mood, I'll come find you."

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Re: Annoying train-riding companion...
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2006, 01:38:40 AM »
The fact that he now walks in your direction, instead of taking the bus as he used to, worries me.  Maybe it's just a 'crush' or maybe it's nothing at all, but when I read that, my hackles rose. 

Avoid him!  Don't worry about feeling bad, you're doing nothing wrong.

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« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2006, 02:37:55 AM »
I'm with alidaDmed - be very careful, this guy could very well be a stalker.  I think it's creepy that he waits to take the later train and then stopped taking the bus from his train stop.  Keep going into a different car so you can avoid him at all costs!

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« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2006, 05:13:00 AM »
Keep avoiding him. And to make your point clearer, get some headphones - you don't have to actually listen to anything - but having your ears plugged definitely sends a "don't bug me" message.
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« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2006, 05:38:33 AM »
I think personal safety and comfort trump etiquette every time.  You are not obligated to be this guy's social outlet.  You have tried subtly and it didn't work, now avoidance which seems to work for now.  Neither is rude.  If it comes to a head and you have to blunt, don't you dare feel bad about it.  As long as you aren't using offensive words and calling him names, flat out telling someone you don't want to talk with them, walk with them, sit next to them etc...is not rude. 

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Re: Annoying train-riding companion...
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2006, 10:37:19 AM »
Thanks for the advice everyone!  So far, the avoidance seems to work.  It helps that right now he's wearing a bright red jacket--makes him easy to spot from far off, LOL!

Today I rode in a different car and think I'm going to stick with it--it was a new train car (cleaner, bigger windows, quieter) and I managed to have my own seat the entire time! :)

I haven't seen this guy since Tuesday evening.  I'm hoping I can aviod him until I move (end of Jan hopefully) and then never have to see him again.  I might start taking an earlier train into the city too, just because I think I'll funtion a little better in the long run, thus getting more work done.  If I do that there will be no reason to avoid him in the mornings at all.

Thanks again everyone!!
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Re: Annoying train-riding companion...
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2006, 10:56:39 AM »
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He knows I have a BF, who I am living with, too, and I doubt he's cocky enough to think he could "steal me away" from him. 
Actually, the level of fantasy that some people hold about their attractiveness is astonishing.

Like many here, I find it troubling that he has apparently changed his routine to spend more time with you. If simple avoidance works, great - it is not in the least rude to choose to sit somewhere else in the train.  If not - say, he starts finding his way into the new car you've chosen - you have a problem on your hands.

In future, perhaps you should invest in an MP3 player, and a paperback. Even if you don't listen or read, the sight of someone with earphones in and their nose in a book tends to discourage conversation. If the book has a title like "How to Eliminate the Annoying without Leaving Forensic Evidence", then you get double points.
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Re: Annoying train-riding companion...
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2006, 11:59:37 AM »
I'm a railway commuter, and I had to read this post to make sure it wasn't me! 

I too would avoid him.  My 'train buddies' and I are basically 'good morning' and 'have a good night' chatters.  That's it.  I like my peace and quiet.    Good luck avoiding that giant red blob!
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Re: Annoying train-riding companion...
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2006, 12:17:43 PM »
"In future, perhaps you should invest in an MP3 player, and a paperback. Even if you don't listen or read, the sight of someone with earphones in and their nose in a book tends to discourage conversation."

I DO read, but he doesn't seem to care.  He notices all right, since he's commented on the fact that I've managed to read 3 books since we've started talking.

The more I think about it, the more creeped out I am :shudder:
- RJ