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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #25215 on: January 28, 2014, 10:45:13 PM »

Prefacing my comments with: Yes, having your car running while filling is a bad idea.

That said: It's much harder to blow a car up than people think. Also, for the vapours to ignite while filling a tank you would need a localised ignition source. Literally something right at the fill point. Fuel these days has a very high ethanol content and that vapourises very quickly. An engine block is between 2-3 feet away and 1-2 feet up from said entry point, well away and safe.

However, and to say it again: Having your car running while filling is a bad idea!
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #25216 on: January 28, 2014, 10:56:35 PM »
I don't use Yelp at all.  I think the potential for abuse is just too high and there's no system with checks and balances.  Irate customers can be nasty and not always completely truthful.

There's also the problem of reviews that might be artificially high (e.g., left by friends of the owner).
Our riding instructor asked us if we would please post a review.  I wrote an honest review, no exaggeration, but Yelp didn't post it because it was the only review I had written.  I saw an incident at my auto repair shop where the customer definitely was not right (her precious doggy bit my favorite service associate) and she posted a skewed review on Yelp.  She claimed he kicked her dog among other lies.  I saw the incident and posted another point of view.  My review was not left on the site, but hers was.  That's when I decided not to waste any more time on that silly game. ::)

That's weird.

When we thanked the very helpful real estate agent who helped us find our apartment and asked if it would help to tell either her boss or my husband's employer (which arranged the move) how good a job she'd done, she asked for a Yelp review. I set up an account and, because I figured single reviews might look odd, took the time to also post quick, honest reviews of a couple of restaurants I went to regularly. But it hadn't occurred to me that the site would simply throw away your first review because it was the first--though the bit about the auto repair shop is fishy on a deeper level.
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #25217 on: January 29, 2014, 08:01:42 AM »
I don't know if I've posted this before, but I once saw someone try to jump-start a car on a petrol station forecourt.  The cashier went running out yelling at them to stop, and the jump-starter called him an "f-ing jobsworth".  I am so glad the cashier was on the ball and realised what was happening!

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #25218 on: January 29, 2014, 08:06:17 AM »
Today was a  :o :o :o Snowflake.

I was filling my car with gas when another car pulled up on the other side of the pump.

The driver got out and started to pump his gas.
No problem.

Then he pulled out his key fob...

...and started his engine.  :o
While we were pumping our gas.  :o :o

Which was when the guards in the armoured car behind me decided he was an imminent threat.
One covered him from the truck while the other two grabbed him and arrested him


Okay, that last part only happened in my head. :P
I just cringed inside knowing there were two sources of gasoline vapour next to an ignition source -while we we stood on a buried tank of fuel.
I finished up as quickly as I possibly could and got out of there.

I have done this by mistake.  I literally was going through the motions and just turned my car on.  And then after I put the hose back realized that I had my car on he whole time.  ::)

I had a situation a couple months ago where I ran my card, pumped my gas, replaced the nozzle, and only when I got back into my car to drive away realized that I had left the engine running the whole time. D'oh!

I would think leaving the car running the whole time would be less hazardous than starting it halfway through.  I would think the ignition spark would be the most hazardous part.  But this is coming from someone who doesn't know a whole lot about cars.
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #25219 on: January 29, 2014, 08:20:10 AM »
I remember Mythbusters did a lot of tests with what was and what wasn't dangerous to do at a gas station, and their conclusion was that it was a lot more difficult to get gasoline to ignite than the warnings indicated. But better safe than sorry, so to heed the warnings anyway ;)
 
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #25220 on: January 29, 2014, 09:37:04 AM »
My least favorite SS and the one that always gets reported to the management is the one who smokes a real cigarette next to the gas pump.  >:(

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« Reply #25221 on: January 29, 2014, 10:33:25 AM »
Years ago, my parents owned a gas station/garage.  If anyone tried starting a car at the pumps or smoking a cigarette while pumping gas, we'd hit the "emergency off" button and all the pumps would instantly be shut off.  Of course, it was the SS with the lit cigarette in hand that screamed the loudest, so it was a pleasure to confront the fool with "None of these people, yourself included, can pump a single drop of gas until you put out that cigarette."    Maybe it was the idea of a bunch of angry people who were on the verge of being late for work staging a riot and rolling SS's head out of town, but the SS would usually cooperate....  Usually.  There are those certain people, ya know....


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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #25222 on: January 29, 2014, 10:45:40 AM »
Years ago, my parents owned a gas station/garage.  If anyone tried starting a car at the pumps or smoking a cigarette while pumping gas, we'd hit the "emergency off" button and all the pumps would instantly be shut off.  Of course, it was the SS with the lit cigarette in hand that screamed the loudest, so it was a pleasure to confront the fool with "None of these people, yourself included, can pump a single drop of gas until you put out that cigarette."    Maybe it was the idea of a bunch of angry people who were on the verge of being late for work staging a riot and rolling SS's head out of town, but the SS would usually cooperate....  Usually.  There are those certain people, ya know....



There are people so addicted to smoking that they'd light their next cigarette off their own sleeve, if it was burning.  THEN they'd try to put the sleeve out without putting out the cigarette.

I might be exaggerating slightly - but having heard stories of people smoking while on oxygen for emphysema caused by smoking...I might not be exaggerating much.
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #25223 on: January 29, 2014, 12:23:57 PM »
I don't know about the mainland, but here on this island, I notice a static shock when I slide out of my seat and touch the car door.  There are signs in front of the pumps saying to be sure to touch the door and discharge the static charge before pumping.  Since I can't seem to exit my car without discharging that static charge, I don't worry, but I could definitely see that as a danger if one were pumping the gas and touched the gas cap cover (which is metal on my car).  I guess worse would be if you had a fiberglass chassis which doesn't discharge the static.  Then you better touch something metal before you pump gas.
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #25224 on: January 29, 2014, 12:27:33 PM »
I don't know about the mainland, but here on this island, I notice a static shock when I slide out of my seat and touch the car door.  There are signs in front of the pumps saying to be sure to touch the door and discharge the static charge before pumping.  Since I can't seem to exit my car without discharging that static charge, I don't worry, but I could definitely see that as a danger if one were pumping the gas and touched the gas cap cover (which is metal on my car).  I guess worse would be if you had a fiberglass chassis which doesn't discharge the static.  Then you better touch something metal before you pump gas.

When you really look at the science of it, it comes down to this:

1) Most days in most places it's not dry enough to be a concern at all.

2) Even when it is dry, there aren't a lot of things you can do which would actually create enough of a spark to be dangerous.

3) Even if there were a spark, gas pumps and cars are designed pretty darn well, so the chances of a spark actually catching anything on fire are low.

4) Even if something did catch on fire, it would be unlikely to actually do much damage.

5) BUTBUTBUT - "low" chance is not the same as "no" chance, so it's stupid to do blatantly dangerous things like smoking while filling up your car!

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #25225 on: January 29, 2014, 12:34:30 PM »
I used to work in a hospital, and we had to go to fire safety lectures.  One showed photos from a burnt out ward caused by a man smoking a cigarette with one hand and holding his oxygen mask in the other.  The cigarette lit the curtain around his bed.  These are actually made to be flame retardant.  And it was.  Just not in an oxygen enriched environment, such as the one caused by the oxygen mask being waved around.  Then the oxygen lines in the walls ignited.  Because the SS had to have his gag.

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #25226 on: January 29, 2014, 01:35:29 PM »
I don't know about the mainland, but here on this island, I notice a static shock when I slide out of my seat and touch the car door.  There are signs in front of the pumps saying to be sure to touch the door and discharge the static charge before pumping.  Since I can't seem to exit my car without discharging that static charge, I don't worry, but I could definitely see that as a danger if one were pumping the gas and touched the gas cap cover (which is metal on my car).  I guess worse would be if you had a fiberglass chassis which doesn't discharge the static.  Then you better touch something metal before you pump gas.

When you really look at the science of it, it comes down to this:

1) Most days in most places it's not dry enough to be a concern at all.

2) Even when it is dry, there aren't a lot of things you can do which would actually create enough of a spark to be dangerous.

3) Even if there were a spark, gas pumps and cars are designed pretty darn well, so the chances of a spark actually catching anything on fire are low.

4) Even if something did catch on fire, it would be unlikely to actually do much damage.

5) BUTBUTBUT - "low" chance is not the same as "no" chance, so it's stupid to do blatantly dangerous things like smoking while filling up your car!

Good points, all.

In this case, it was -17C outside, so the air was very dry.
At that temp, I'm pretty sure that any gas vapours would sink and pool at ground level, which puts them not far from the engine and the hot exhaust system.

Mr. Car Starter did not look like anyone I wanted to approach (although I did try to think up something to say), so I just got out of there as quickly as I could.
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #25227 on: January 29, 2014, 01:48:20 PM »
Years ago, my parents owned a gas station/garage.  If anyone tried starting a car at the pumps or smoking a cigarette while pumping gas, we'd hit the "emergency off" button and all the pumps would instantly be shut off.  Of course, it was the SS with the lit cigarette in hand that screamed the loudest, so it was a pleasure to confront the fool with "None of these people, yourself included, can pump a single drop of gas until you put out that cigarette."    Maybe it was the idea of a bunch of angry people who were on the verge of being late for work staging a riot and rolling SS's head out of town, but the SS would usually cooperate....  Usually.  There are those certain people, ya know....

I once pulled into a gas station were a man had his car running and smoking a cig and pumping gas.  I pulled in and just drove through.

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #25228 on: January 29, 2014, 01:54:48 PM »
I worked in a fast food restaurant in a gas station.  I have seen 4 people drive away with the nozzle in their tanks.  The worst incident I witnessed was a woman had left her small kids in her SUV and one of them put it into neutral.  The SUV rolled back into a pump knocked it over.  Lucky for her, the pump was not in service as it was being installed was not even bolted to the ground.  Unlucky for her, she had no insurance and a suspended license.

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #25229 on: January 29, 2014, 02:16:11 PM »

5) BUTBUTBUT - "low" chance is not the same as "no" chance, so it's stupid to do blatantly dangerous things like smoking while filling up your car!

Exactly.  "Risk" is the chance that something will happen, times the consequences:

Low probabilty x very very serious consequence = high risk
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