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Sunbeem:

--- Quote from: oz diva on November 25, 2011, 07:05:58 PM ---
--- Quote from: Reader on November 25, 2011, 02:04:19 PM ---Non native as not born in the US or not native to the area.

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 I still don't know why it was relevant. IMO if it's not relevant to know their race/nationality, then it's racism.

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I strongly disagree.  As this thread, and especially this category (off-topic discussions/coffee break) largely revolves about sharing experiences, it is perfectly normal for people to tell stories and give descriptive details.  Observing ethnically-identifying details is no worse than mentioning what shoe color someone was wearing, or what color/make/model of vehicle cut you off in traffic, or what hairstyle a crazy SS in Starbucks had, etc.  This thread is for story-telling ("Special Snowflake Stories; good stories have details.  IF someone states or implies that certain ethnicity=bad, that would be racism.  But providing details is not racism. 

Let me put it this way... if their ethnicity is irrelevant, then why would gender, age, numbers, location be relevant? The whole story could be boiled down to "People were blocking other people's access." 

VorFemme:
The only thing that I can think of is that most Western cultures deal with "standing in line" as a part of the culture.  "Cutting in line" is understood as not a good character trait and will get you either yelled at or considered an inconsiderate bacon-fed whatever of a knave.

Some cultures in more high density population centers NOT in the Western culture have NO idea what "standing in line" means and it is a cultural tradition to work your way through the crowd of passerby to get in front of the seller so you can get YOUR stuff (meal, shopping, dry cleaning, whatever).  They don't "see" a line - they see a lot of passerby who are standing around but are still obstacles to be gotten around to get to the seller/cashier or whatever they are trying to get.

They are not being bacon fed whatevers - they are following their cultural expectation - but all the Westerners standing in line are going to be cussing out the ignorant foreigners who don't even notice that they are cutting in line because they don't USE lines back home.

And those Westerners going to that location as tourists are going to be sadly tossed about as they try to find a line to stand in while the locals are trying to get by the weirdoes who are standing in place instead of getting to where they are going so that they can relieve the congestion on the walkway or road....I've never been there, but I understand that "traffic laws" are also regarded differently in the same locations.  Not that there aren't Western SSs who ignore laws if they think it will get them where they want to be ninety seconds faster....

They are SS because they should know the local laws, customs, and cultural expectation - so they are ignoring them.  The foreigners may be working from a different set of expectations, customs, and possibly legal traditions - so expecting them to know, bone deep, what they are doing is a bit like wearing blinders to make it easier to ignore the differences that do make a difference.  The cultural chains that bind invisibly but shape our behavior without our even thinking about it - or in some cases - being able to think about it unless you KNOW that there are fields of study on those very differences (anthropology, sociology, psychology, and many of the so called "soft sciences").

Note - my training is in sociology and I've been told since childhood that I don't think like everyone else.  I still don't know if this is good or bad...but it is different and some people do think that different = bad.  Or at least different = not good.  And not good = bad....so I've been yelled at a few times & had to be told why I was getting yelled at.

Still don't understand why it is not good to dislike football....but I grew up in West Texas and it could be compared to heresy in the Middle Ages - it may not be against church doctrine - but it is NOT encouraged!

rose red:
I was at a restaurant where you get your food and sit yourself.  There is a big dining area, but they open a "side room" during peak hours.  During down time, they close the side room with a metal sign standing in the middle of the doorway.  I saw a family look at the sign and just walked around it into the room.  Now the workers have to clean again.  Sadly I'm sure it's not the first time it's happened, and the cleaners doesn't appear to speak much English and I'm sure they think it's just easier to clean than confront.  When I went up to get a drink refill, I did mention to the cashier that people went into the closed area, but I don't know if anything was done or if they just let it go.

Sirius:

--- Quote from: kategillian on February 19, 2014, 07:51:40 AM ---And, honestly, what would they expect the server to say before they played the bill and tipped him? As a server myself, I'm happy to say that this kind of behavior is rare, I've even had parents ask me for a broom so they could finish cleaning.

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My mother would ask for a broom to sweep up if my little sister made a mess, although Sis didn't do it often, as she was taught not to throw her food. But you know how it is - even toddlers with the best manners can have mishaps.  I've mopped more than one table due to someone capsizing a glass or a cup.

Winterlight:

--- Quote from: kategillian on February 19, 2014, 07:51:40 AM ---And, honestly, what would they expect the server to say before they played the bill and tipped him? As a server myself, I'm happy to say that this kind of behavior is rare, I've even had parents ask me for a broom so they could finish cleaning.

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Good point. He probably just wanted to get rid of them as expediently as possible.

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