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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #27960 on: July 16, 2014, 09:22:35 AM »
I saw a guy on TV yesterday while watching one of those criminal clip shows where they show various people breaking the law in a dumb or a unusual manner. He seemed like a bit of a special snowflake to me. But I wasn't sure.

He got pulled over for doing like fifty five in a thirty five zone. So cop pulls him over. He tells the cop he doesn't have a licence so cop goes to go look it up in the system. Cop then finds out it had expired in 1969!! So the cop goes over and calmly asks the man why he hadn't renewed his licence in thirty three years.

The man's reasoning. He couldn't pass the vision test. So the man was driving legally blind for all that time. Holy cow. I am thinking he was a bit of a special snowflake for endangering people like that. You can not drive if you can't pass the vision test for safety reasons I am guessing. But  maybe the guy really needed his car and figured if he didn't get pull over it wouldn't matter. He did end up getting arrested.

i'm jsut rereading the thread for some entertainment, and saw this one,  i just watched the very same show yesterday :)

I think that guy is a huge SS. The fact that he's willing to put everyone else on the road at risk is really horrible.
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #27961 on: July 16, 2014, 04:01:19 PM »
I saw a guy on TV yesterday while watching one of those criminal clip shows where they show various people breaking the law in a dumb or a unusual manner. He seemed like a bit of a special snowflake to me. But I wasn't sure.

He got pulled over for doing like fifty five in a thirty five zone. So cop pulls him over. He tells the cop he doesn't have a licence so cop goes to go look it up in the system. Cop then finds out it had expired in 1969!! So the cop goes over and calmly asks the man why he hadn't renewed his licence in thirty three years.

The man's reasoning. He couldn't pass the vision test. So the man was driving legally blind for all that time. Holy cow. I am thinking he was a bit of a special snowflake for endangering people like that. You can not drive if you can't pass the vision test for safety reasons I am guessing. But  maybe the guy really needed his car and figured if he didn't get pull over it wouldn't matter. He did end up getting arrested.

i'm jsut rereading the thread for some entertainment, and saw this one,  i just watched the very same show yesterday :)

I think that guy is a huge SS. The fact that he's willing to put everyone else on the road at risk is really horrible.
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #27962 on: July 17, 2014, 10:17:43 PM »
In keeping with a recent theme apparently!  On the news here last night there was a story about how some kids treehouse got pulled down for safety reasons and how terrible that was.   The kid and mother were interviewed.   

Except.... it wasn't their land.   They were complaining publicly that the landowners had removed the treehouse, even though the landowners were still happy for them to ride their bikes through the paths.   The landowners were apparently worried about snakes, and also the tree climbing etc.   But even if they weren't - it's their freakin' land!  If the reason was "Because we don't want you to have fun" that still would have been acceptable because it's their land.    It blew my mind that the SSs thought it was reasonable to complain about that or get airtime for it.

I don't want to live in a litigious culture in terms of excessive safety worries, but at the same time people publicly whinging because somebody else won't let them use their land the way they want to is incredibly SS.  Very reminiscent of watching my toddler interact with his buddies actually... they're still learning about possessions and ownership.
They have relatives near my family's farm. Called the cops because the man who had a cattle lease on our land told them to stay off the land. That running around someone else's land during hunting season in camo was a bad idea. (Their story was Lewis threatened to shoot them)


One of the Dad kept arguing that we had abandoned the land because no one lived on it. We have owned it since sometime in the lat 50's and except for a couple of months in the early 80's no one has ever lived on it. But the taxes have been paid and it has been a hobby farm, cattle lease, and now a wildlife refuge.


There was some back and forth while the deputies got the whole story. Finally they told the "parents" keep your kids off other people's property. If they are tresspassing  and get shot - they will be the ones facing charges not the landowner. (Note we wouldn't deliberately shoot a simple trespasser -but after the incident with the bank robbers hiding out on our land we tend to be a little wary)

Sounds like some SS's in my area. A group was recently complaining on a FB forum about a guy who was shooting dogs.  Some of these SS had had their dogs shot at and others were outraged as well.

Turns out these people were just letting their dogs run and they all tended to run on this guy's property.  This property was multiple acres of wild land and  was used as a breeding and nesting area for cranes.  He had signs everywhere posting this, it was a protected breeding area.  The dogs were killing hatchlings so
after repeated failed attempts to get the owners to keep their dogs home he just started shooting.

The owners were outraged.  We live in Alaska, dogs should be allowed to roam free!!

No. We do have leash laws here, keep your darn dogs home.

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #27963 on: July 18, 2014, 03:19:46 AM »
Sounds like some SS's in my area. A group was recently complaining on a FB forum about a guy who was shooting dogs.  Some of these SS had had their dogs shot at and others were outraged as well.

Turns out these people were just letting their dogs run and they all tended to run on this guy's property.  This property was multiple acres of wild land and  was used as a breeding and nesting area for cranes.  He had signs everywhere posting this, it was a protected breeding area.  The dogs were killing hatchlings so
after repeated failed attempts to get the owners to keep their dogs home he just started shooting.

The owners were outraged.  We live in Alaska, dogs should be allowed to roam free!!

No. We do have leash laws here, keep your darn dogs home.

And that makes shooting animals OK?!

Obviously the owners are in the wrong to let them run all over the place, but good *grief*, that's no excuse for shooting them.

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #27964 on: July 18, 2014, 05:15:46 AM »
Sounds like some SS's in my area. A group was recently complaining on a FB forum about a guy who was shooting dogs.  Some of these SS had had their dogs shot at and others were outraged as well.

Turns out these people were just letting their dogs run and they all tended to run on this guy's property.  This property was multiple acres of wild land and  was used as a breeding and nesting area for cranes.  He had signs everywhere posting this, it was a protected breeding area.  The dogs were killing hatchlings so
after repeated failed attempts to get the owners to keep their dogs home he just started shooting.

The owners were outraged.  We live in Alaska, dogs should be allowed to roam free!!

No. We do have leash laws here, keep your darn dogs home.

And that makes shooting animals OK?!

Obviously the owners are in the wrong to let them run all over the place, but good *grief*, that's no excuse for shooting them.

Speaking as someone with farmers for relatives... yes, yes it is. You put up fences, you warn people, and then if someone keeps letting their dog/s run loose and they come on your land and repeatedly kill your livestock (or, in this case, the protected species you are a guardian for), you deal with them.
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #27965 on: July 18, 2014, 05:25:40 AM »
Sounds like some SS's in my area. A group was recently complaining on a FB forum about a guy who was shooting dogs.  Some of these SS had had their dogs shot at and others were outraged as well.

Turns out these people were just letting their dogs run and they all tended to run on this guy's property.  This property was multiple acres of wild land and  was used as a breeding and nesting area for cranes.  He had signs everywhere posting this, it was a protected breeding area.  The dogs were killing hatchlings so
after repeated failed attempts to get the owners to keep their dogs home he just started shooting.

The owners were outraged.  We live in Alaska, dogs should be allowed to roam free!!

No. We do have leash laws here, keep your darn dogs home.

And that makes shooting animals OK?!

Obviously the owners are in the wrong to let them run all over the place, but good *grief*, that's no excuse for shooting them.

Speaking as someone with farmers for relatives... yes, yes it is. You put up fences, you warn people, and then if someone keeps letting their dog/s run loose and they come on your land and repeatedly kill your livestock (or, in this case, the protected species you are a guardian for), you deal with them.

We will have to agree to differ then, Mel. I will never believe this is OK; it's no different to what the dogs are doing that he's complaining about (killing things; except the dogs are doing it through nature, he's not, he's just shooting animals). You don't just shoot things willy-nilly because they're costing you money or whatever; being a farmer is no excuse - that just makes it financial, which is even worse in my view. Shooting animals is a terrible thing to do and I struggle to understand why anyone thinks it's OK. Where does it end? I'll shoot the cat who comes into my garden because I don't like cats? No, just no.

*disclaimer: I come from a culture where guns are not allowed and shooting in general is something people tend to find absolutely horrifying, which may be colouring my view, but I am literally absolutely horrified at the post that started this conversation.

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #27966 on: July 18, 2014, 05:34:57 AM »
I own dogs. I've also seen the damage and trauma caused by dogs running loose and hunting and killing other animals. If you've ever seen a lamb or sheep mauled by dogs, or the damage caused to shores being sent through a fence by loose dogs, shooting the dogs after repeated warnings is reasonable. If you own dogs, or any animal, you control them. And it is SS to suggest that landowners have no right to protect their animals from predators.

Loose dogs are a menace.

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #27967 on: July 18, 2014, 05:39:49 AM »
Sounds like some SS's in my area. A group was recently complaining on a FB forum about a guy who was shooting dogs.  Some of these SS had had their dogs shot at and others were outraged as well.

Turns out these people were just letting their dogs run and they all tended to run on this guy's property.  This property was multiple acres of wild land and  was used as a breeding and nesting area for cranes.  He had signs everywhere posting this, it was a protected breeding area.  The dogs were killing hatchlings so
after repeated failed attempts to get the owners to keep their dogs home he just started shooting.

The owners were outraged.  We live in Alaska, dogs should be allowed to roam free!!

No. We do have leash laws here, keep your darn dogs home.

And that makes shooting animals OK?!

Obviously the owners are in the wrong to let them run all over the place, but good *grief*, that's no excuse for shooting them.

Speaking as someone with farmers for relatives... yes, yes it is. You put up fences, you warn people, and then if someone keeps letting their dog/s run loose and they come on your land and repeatedly kill your livestock (or, in this case, the protected species you are a guardian for), you deal with them.

We will have to agree to differ then, Mel. I will never believe this is OK; it's no different to what the dogs are doing that he's complaining about (killing things; except the dogs are doing it through nature, he's not, he's just shooting animals). You don't just shoot things willy-nilly because they're costing you money or whatever; being a farmer is no excuse - that just makes it financial, which is even worse in my view. Shooting animals is a terrible thing to do and I struggle to understand why anyone thinks it's OK. Where does it end? I'll shoot the cat who comes into my garden because I don't like cats? No, just no.

*disclaimer: I come from a culture where guns are not allowed and shooting in general is something people tend to find absolutely horrifying, which may be colouring my view, but I am literally absolutely horrified at the post that started this conversation.

What else would you have the farmer do? Assuming neither signs, warnings or fences work.

*I'm from a similar culture to yours, but I'm assuming he took to shooting as a last resort, rather than his first choice.
 
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #27968 on: July 18, 2014, 05:40:50 AM »
Then put up fences or barriers to predators getting in. If you (general) own animals and predators are getting to them, the problem is insufficient defences. You frequently hear over here of people who own chickens getting their chickens killed by foxes. So they build a better chicken coop so that the foxes can't get in. Why wasn't the original guy doing this before shooting dogs? There is no mention in that original post of a fence around the land, breeding area, whatever you want to call it. If dogs are getting in, the landowner has not sufficiently protected his property and that's down to him.

I am backing away from this, because I can not believe that there are people who think shooting animals for a bottom line is OK.

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #27969 on: July 18, 2014, 05:41:43 AM »
Sounds like some SS's in my area. A group was recently complaining on a FB forum about a guy who was shooting dogs.  Some of these SS had had their dogs shot at and others were outraged as well.

Turns out these people were just letting their dogs run and they all tended to run on this guy's property.  This property was multiple acres of wild land and  was used as a breeding and nesting area for cranes.  He had signs everywhere posting this, it was a protected breeding area.  The dogs were killing hatchlings so
after repeated failed attempts to get the owners to keep their dogs home he just started shooting.

The owners were outraged.  We live in Alaska, dogs should be allowed to roam free!!

No. We do have leash laws here, keep your darn dogs home.

And that makes shooting animals OK?!

Obviously the owners are in the wrong to let them run all over the place, but good *grief*, that's no excuse for shooting them.

Speaking as someone with farmers for relatives... yes, yes it is. You put up fences, you warn people, and then if someone keeps letting their dog/s run loose and they come on your land and repeatedly kill your livestock (or, in this case, the protected species you are a guardian for), you deal with them.

We will have to agree to differ then, Mel. I will never believe this is OK; it's no different to what the dogs are doing that he's complaining about (killing things; except the dogs are doing it through nature, he's not, he's just shooting animals). You don't just shoot things willy-nilly because they're costing you money or whatever; being a farmer is no excuse - that just makes it financial, which is even worse in my view. Shooting animals is a terrible thing to do and I struggle to understand why anyone thinks it's OK. Where does it end? I'll shoot the cat who comes into my garden because I don't like cats? No, just no.

*disclaimer: I come from a culture where guns are not allowed and shooting in general is something people tend to find absolutely horrifying, which may be colouring my view, but I am literally absolutely horrified at the post that started this conversation.

What else would you have the farmer do? Assuming neither signs, warnings or fences work.

*I'm from a similar culture to yours, but I'm assuming he took to shooting as a last resort, rather than his first choice.

All it says in that post is that he posted signs. Dogs can't read. He needs to put up fences, not shoot the dogs. If he went from putting up signs to shooting, then he's *very* wrong.

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #27970 on: July 18, 2014, 05:54:38 AM »
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #27971 on: July 18, 2014, 06:56:03 AM »
Then put up fences or barriers to predators getting in. If you (general) own animals and predators are getting to them, the problem is insufficient defences. You frequently hear over here of people who own chickens getting their chickens killed by foxes. So they build a better chicken coop so that the foxes can't get in. Why wasn't the original guy doing this before shooting dogs? There is no mention in that original post of a fence around the land, breeding area, whatever you want to call it. If dogs are getting in, the landowner has not sufficiently protected his property and that's down to him.

I am backing away from this, because I can not believe that there are people who think shooting animals for a bottom line is OK.

I'm from the same country as you (I believe) and I live in a farming community. It isn't really possible to fence off land in a way which prevents predators getting in. Chickens in a hen house are one thing (although making a truly fox-proof run is extraordinarily difficult, and nigh-on impossible if you *also* want to give the chickens a mobile run so they can access fresh areas of ground, plants etc) Fencing fields and woodland so people cannot get in with their dogs is not practical - even if it is affordable or appropriate to use fine mesh fence to keep dogs out (which may also causeproblems for wildlife, quite apart from the cost) there are still going to be people who will lift their dog over the fence or the gate.

I completely agree that someone who allows their dog to run  free on land which is private and which his well signed is a special snowflake. It's horrible that that may end in the dog getting shot but that doesn't make the owner of the dog  any less of a snowflake.

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #27972 on: July 18, 2014, 07:21:05 AM »
Then put up fences or barriers to predators getting in. If you (general) own animals and predators are getting to them, the problem is insufficient defences. You frequently hear over here of people who own chickens getting their chickens killed by foxes. So they build a better chicken coop so that the foxes can't get in. Why wasn't the original guy doing this before shooting dogs? There is no mention in that original post of a fence around the land, breeding area, whatever you want to call it. If dogs are getting in, the landowner has not sufficiently protected his property and that's down to him.

I am backing away from this, because I can not believe that there are people who think shooting animals for a bottom line is OK.

I'm from the same country as you (I believe) and I live in a farming community. It isn't really possible to fence off land in a way which prevents predators getting in. Chickens in a hen house are one thing (although making a truly fox-proof run is extraordinarily difficult, and nigh-on impossible if you *also* want to give the chickens a mobile run so they can access fresh areas of ground, plants etc) Fencing fields and woodland so people cannot get in with their dogs is not practical - even if it is affordable or appropriate to use fine mesh fence to keep dogs out (which may also causeproblems for wildlife, quite apart from the cost) there are still going to be people who will lift their dog over the fence or the gate.

I completely agree that someone who allows their dog to run  free on land which is private and which his well signed is a special snowflake. It's horrible that that may end in the dog getting shot but that doesn't make the owner of the dog  any less of a snowflake.

I'm originally from New Zealand, and guns are far from the 'normal' way of dealing with anything there. For my uncle, at least, shooting roaming dogs on his land had nothing to do with them costing him money, and everything to do with the horrible injuries his sheep and lambs suffered. Fences that will keep sheep and cattle contained will do practically nothing to keep out most dogs; even tiny, 'harmless' dogs can run sheep to death and mutilate newborn lambs.

This is probably going to be my last reply on the subject, too, because it's a very emotive topic and when I try to explain further I find myself getting... er... strident. I've seen what happens when somebody's beloved pet dog (who's "just a big softy, really") romps onto a working farm and gets excited when all the fluffy white things run away, and it's ugly.
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #27973 on: July 18, 2014, 07:32:20 AM »
Then put up fences or barriers to predators getting in. If you (general) own animals and predators are getting to them, the problem is insufficient defences. You frequently hear over here of people who own chickens getting their chickens killed by foxes. So they build a better chicken coop so that the foxes can't get in. Why wasn't the original guy doing this before shooting dogs? There is no mention in that original post of a fence around the land, breeding area, whatever you want to call it. If dogs are getting in, the landowner has not sufficiently protected his property and that's down to him.

I am backing away from this, because I can not believe that there are people who think shooting animals for a bottom line is OK.

I'm from the same country as you (I believe) and I live in a farming community. It isn't really possible to fence off land in a way which prevents predators getting in. Chickens in a hen house are one thing (although making a truly fox-proof run is extraordinarily difficult, and nigh-on impossible if you *also* want to give the chickens a mobile run so they can access fresh areas of ground, plants etc) Fencing fields and woodland so people cannot get in with their dogs is not practical - even if it is affordable or appropriate to use fine mesh fence to keep dogs out (which may also causeproblems for wildlife, quite apart from the cost) there are still going to be people who will lift their dog over the fence or the gate.

I completely agree that someone who allows their dog to run  free on land which is private and which his well signed is a special snowflake. It's horrible that that may end in the dog getting shot but that doesn't make the owner of the dog  any less of a snowflake.

I think post that started this the cranes were wild cranes so left to their own devices as far as wild predators go. I don't think there are any domestic cranes. If I'm understanding the post correctly the person owned land which a wetland that was a protected breeding ground , protected for the wildlife to not be harassed by people and their pets and protected from the land being altered by people.

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #27974 on: July 18, 2014, 07:39:25 AM »
All it says in that post is that he posted signs. Dogs can't read. He needs to put up fences, not shoot the dogs. If he went from putting up signs to shooting, then he's *very* wrong.

Dogs can dig under fences. I've even seen truly determined dogs *climb* fences, or chew through wooden fence panels. I've also seen them dig under gates, so even if you have a fence that has been sunk into the ground deep enough to prevent digging under the actual fence, the gate can still be a weak point if you have a dog that really wants to get at something.