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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #28095 on: July 23, 2014, 12:01:53 PM »
The only exception is if I was on fire. I would want someone to tell me.

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #28096 on: July 23, 2014, 02:15:01 PM »
The only exception is if I was on fire. I would want someone to tell me.

POD.

Yeah they could even touch me.

With, like, water.

Or a blanket.

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #28097 on: July 23, 2014, 06:48:14 PM »
I know I'm a bit late, but I have to weigh in on the daughter driving the car story.

I am the mother of a young woman who has had several minor accidents. 

I am also licensed to practice law in NY.


And my daughter was sued as a result of one of those minor accidents...

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...So honestly, had I been in the car when my teenage daughter had the accident, I probably would not have allowed her to speak to the other driver, and I probably would have handled the exchange of information myself.

That doesn't excuse rudeness, of course.  I would have been polite about it.

I don't want to get into legalities, but it is pretty bad as a motorist to drive a vehicle with a safety hazard.

Yeah, I don't think it would have been good to protect someone from the consequences of neglect or poor decisions - in this case driving a vehicle that one knows is unsafe. In your DD's inexperience she owned up to her own culpability and that's not a bad thing. Going forward your DD, no doubt, understands the importance of proper vehicle maintenance. I'm sure she drives more carefully now. I'd be pretty nervous to ride with someone young that had many minor accidents.

I guess we are on different pages, because as a lawyer I would tell you to keep your mouth shut and say nothing to the other driver except "are you ok?" And "Here's my insurance card."  Don't lie or mislead, but let your insurer  handle the matter.  Even a simple "I'm sorry" can turn into an admission of fault.

That "brakes" comment resulted in a lawsuit for a nonexistent injury.  The plaintiff collected $$$ from my insurance company for a soft tissue injury -- something legally hard to disprove.  I'm convinced she decided to sue because of what my daughter said.  Can't prove it, but I've handled a few auto claims and you develop a sense of when someone is ...exaggerating their injury.

So yes, when asked the question under oath, of course she told the truth. But we wouldn't have been at that deposition at all if...

Well, anyhow, she's older now, took defensive driving, and I don't worry about her driving anymore.


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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #28098 on: July 23, 2014, 07:01:14 PM »
Or rather, I should say the lawyer for the insurance company felt the jury might not agree with us, and therefore decided to settle rather than take a chance on a jury verdict.

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #28099 on: July 23, 2014, 07:19:23 PM »
I saw an auto accident in my rear-view mirror today.  I don't think anybody was a special snowflake in the extreme, but a combination of partial special snowflakiness must have added up to one whole snowflake.  Which is an interesting concept--if one person shows a small amount of special snowflake behavior, it might not cause problems.  But if several people do it, it may sometimes have an additive effect.

It was one of those construction zones where everybody has to merge into the right lane.  Car #1 might be the one considered at fault legally?  He was in the left lane and decided, rather than getting right, to zoom down the now-empty left lane to get ahead of everybody else.  His speed compared to everybody else's (everybody else was almost at a standstill, he was probably doing 40) was a contributing factor.

Car #2 was in the stopped traffic in the right lane, and noticed Car #3 in the parking lot to the right wishing to cross the stopped traffic to make a left turn.  So Car #2 left a space in front so that Car #3 could pass in front, cross the (empty) left lane and make a left turn (there was an opening in the median there and it's usually legal to make a left turn at that spot).

Car #3 saw the opening, pulled through in front of Car #2, and started to cross (empty) left lane when suddenly the left lane was no longer empty, because Car #1 was speeding along.  The line of cars from Car #2 back blocked Car #3's view, so Car #3 was attempting to drive blindly into the left lane on the assumption that everybody had gotten over.

Smash!  Cars #1 and #3 looked fairly smooshed.  Car #2 is going to be sitting there for a long time, as there wasn't room to pass the smooshed cars.  Same fate for all cars behind #2.

Car #3 probably also had some fault for attempting to make that left turn when the heavy stopped traffic made it impossible to see clearly all the way across the road.  I'm not sure, but it's possible #2 will also have some fault if they indicated for #3 to cross, but probably not if they didn't, as it's *possible* that the space wasn't a deliberate attempt to leave room for Car #3 but just space between them and the next car (or that they could argue that's all it was).
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #28100 on: July 23, 2014, 07:41:40 PM »
The area just south of where I work is under a lot of construction - highway construction, side street construction, building construction, you name it!  Right now, one street goes down to one lane at an intersection, and there is a no left turn sign that's been put up, presumably to keep traffic from being at a standstill as people try and turn left.  So far this week, I've seen no less than 8 drivers turn left at that light.  Many of them also turned left as the light was turning red, compounding their poor choice.  I'm left to wonder how many people in this city know what a no left turn sign means, and how many of that set of people believe it could actually apply to them...

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #28101 on: July 23, 2014, 07:52:29 PM »
Those of us in Northern climes know that there are really only two seasons:  winter and construction.
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #28102 on: July 23, 2014, 07:57:11 PM »
I'm in Florida.  Road construction is the only season!

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #28103 on: July 23, 2014, 08:57:09 PM »
The area just south of where I work is under a lot of construction - highway construction, side street construction, building construction, you name it!  Right now, one street goes down to one lane at an intersection, and there is a no left turn sign that's been put up, presumably to keep traffic from being at a standstill as people try and turn left.  So far this week, I've seen no less than 8 drivers turn left at that light.  Many of them also turned left as the light was turning red, compounding their poor choice.  I'm left to wonder how many people in this city know what a no left turn sign means, and how many of that set of people believe it could actually apply to them...

I used to pass an intersection on my way to work that would have as many as 8 cars make left turns on full out red.  I guess each car just figured that they were protected by the car in front of them as long as they stayed close, because the opposing traffic wouldn't be able to start across the intersection?  And the first car thought it was protected by the cars that had gone through on yellow, same idea?  I don't know.  But it was the oddest thing, because it was limited to that specific intersection and I didn't see it anywhere else.  Some sort of subliminal messaging system linked to that traffic light?  :)
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #28104 on: July 23, 2014, 08:57:38 PM »
I'm in Florida.  Road construction is the only season!

I thought Florida's two seasons were Road construction and Tourist.

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #28105 on: July 23, 2014, 09:43:41 PM »
I'm in Florida.  Road construction is the only season!

I thought Florida's two seasons were Road construction and Tourist.
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #28106 on: July 23, 2014, 09:48:03 PM »
I'm in Florida.  Road construction is the only season!

I thought Florida's two seasons were Road construction and Tourist.
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #28107 on: July 24, 2014, 02:31:59 AM »
I'm in Florida.  Road construction is the only season!

I thought Florida's two seasons were Road construction and Tourist.

Both of those things are year-round these days :)


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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #28108 on: July 24, 2014, 06:49:26 AM »
I saw an auto accident in my rear-view mirror today.  I don't think anybody was a special snowflake in the extreme, but a combination of partial special snowflakiness must have added up to one whole snowflake.  Which is an interesting concept--if one person shows a small amount of special snowflake behavior, it might not cause problems.  But if several people do it, it may sometimes have an additive effect.

It was one of those construction zones where everybody has to merge into the right lane.  Car #1 might be the one considered at fault legally?  He was in the left lane and decided, rather than getting right, to zoom down the now-empty left lane to get ahead of everybody else.  His speed compared to everybody else's (everybody else was almost at a standstill, he was probably doing 40) was a contributing factor.

Car #2 was in the stopped traffic in the right lane, and noticed Car #3 in the parking lot to the right wishing to cross the stopped traffic to make a left turn.  So Car #2 left a space in front so that Car #3 could pass in front, cross the (empty) left lane and make a left turn (there was an opening in the median there and it's usually legal to make a left turn at that spot).

Car #3 saw the opening, pulled through in front of Car #2, and started to cross (empty) left lane when suddenly the left lane was no longer empty, because Car #1 was speeding along.  The line of cars from Car #2 back blocked Car #3's view, so Car #3 was attempting to drive blindly into the left lane on the assumption that everybody had gotten over.

Smash!  Cars #1 and #3 looked fairly smooshed.  Car #2 is going to be sitting there for a long time, as there wasn't room to pass the smooshed cars.  Same fate for all cars behind #2.

Car #3 probably also had some fault for attempting to make that left turn when the heavy stopped traffic made it impossible to see clearly all the way across the road.  I'm not sure, but it's possible #2 will also have some fault if they indicated for #3 to cross, but probably not if they didn't, as it's *possible* that the space wasn't a deliberate attempt to leave room for Car #3 but just space between them and the next car (or that they could argue that's all it was).

Car #1 is not a special snowflake in any sense, other than maybe going a little fast. But if the speed limit is 40mph on that road, then no, they are not. Numerous studies have shown that a "zipper merge" is the most efficient method. Just because everyone else has decided to get into the right lane early does not mean that everyone is required to merge early. Car #1, if going at or under the speed limit, is completely correct.

Car #2 is also not a special snowflake. I don't know of any laws that say you have to ride the bumper of the car in front of you. Just because they left an opening does not mean they have any fault in this situation. Even if they waved at Car #3 to come on through (although laws may have changed on that point).

Car #3 is the special snowflake. It was up to #3 to ensure that both lanes were clear before pulling out. Just because someone in the right hand lane leaves room for you to get through, it doesn't guarantee that the left lane is clear, even if they wave at you to come on through.

This was all explained to me years ago by police when I was Car #1 in the same type of accident - big event going on at a high school that was still a mile and a half down the road. Everyone had moved into the right lane but I was going to go past the school, so I kept going at the speed limit in the left lane. Car #2 left a gap for a girl in Car #3, who just shot on through and got nailed by me. I left only about 30 feet of skidmark, she was that close. She was also darn lucky that she got back before the police got there, because her first reaction was to run down the street to get her dad. Technically and literally that would have been hit-and-run.

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #28109 on: July 24, 2014, 07:23:01 AM »
Where I live, they have police cars sitting and ticketing Car #1's.  Not allowed.