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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #20535 on: April 21, 2013, 06:58:12 PM »
If it had been the baby being baptized, obviously she would have had to stay.  But I agree with you that one of the adults should have taken her out, especially with CCTV set up.  I think it would have been fine for an usher to approach them and ask that they take the baby out for at least the duration of the ceremony.
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #20536 on: April 21, 2013, 07:09:05 PM »
If it had been the baby being baptized, obviously she would have had to stay.  But I agree with you that one of the adults should have taken her out, especially with CCTV set up.  I think it would have been fine for an usher to approach them and ask that they take the baby out for at least the duration of the ceremony.

POD. A crying baby should be removed from any situation where quiet and attention is expected and/or necessary, and that goes double for a church ceremony (or just a church service in general). It would have been completely OK for an usher to politely ask them to step out while the baby was crying. Given the fact that there is another room where CCTV is set up, and they could have taken the baby to that room but chose not to do so, in my opinion, the family was being special snowflakey.
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #20537 on: April 21, 2013, 07:13:58 PM »
This weekend I was visiting my home city and decided to take myself out to lunch. I decided on a place I hadn't been for a while, forgetting that that location gets pretty busy around lunchtime on a weekday. It's also on the corner of an intersection.

I made a right turn through the intersection and onto the road where the restaurant was--there's a line of parking on this road. Unfortunately my forward progress was blocked by a large SUV. Apparently he was waiting for a parking spot, which was the second one closest to the corner. The driver of the parked car got in and started to back out, when the SUV driver realized he hadn't left enough room for the other car to back out. So he started backing up--right onto my car. (I then realized that my horn was broken, ugh.) I backed up as much as I could (luckily there were no cars or pedestrians coming) until my back end was right at the crosswalk. That wasn't enough for the SUV, who continued to back up. I flailed to indicate that I couldn't back up any more. He honked at me and continued to back until our cars were almost touching. (My car is very small so he could have pushed me if I had let him.) I backed up a bit more (there was a car behind me at that point so I couldn't back up any more, plus he was forcing me into the intersection.) He backed up until our cars were thisclose, then pulled forward to park.

I almost wish I had let him hit me--it was a new looking car and mine's pretty old, it would have been kind of interesting to see how much that spot was "worth" to him after our insurances talked to each other. I had somewhere to be after lunch though, and based on how aggressive was behind the wheel, I don't think I wouldn't have wanted to stick around with him while waiting for the cops. I still can't believe he bullied me into backing up for him though.
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #20538 on: April 21, 2013, 07:15:51 PM »
I went to a continuing legal ed "lunch & learn" on Friday. The District Attorney was giving the low down on how his office works, blah blah blah. He did catch my attention when he mentioned "those special unique snowflakes" who want to go outside the diversion outlines. I did suppress a guffaw.

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #20539 on: April 21, 2013, 07:21:38 PM »
If it had been the baby being baptized, obviously she would have had to stay.  But I agree with you that one of the adults should have taken her out, especially with CCTV set up.  I think it would have been fine for an usher to approach them and ask that they take the baby out for at least the duration of the ceremony.

POD. A crying baby should be removed from any situation where quiet and attention is expected and/or necessary, and that goes double for a church ceremony (or just a church service in general). It would have been completely OK for an usher to politely ask them to step out while the baby was crying. Given the fact that there is another room where CCTV is set up, and they could have taken the baby to that room but chose not to do so, in my opinion, the family was being special snowflakey.

Pod as well. I understand what your DH is saying because some people take unreasonable offense at others not actually enjoying the shrieks of their baby, but they were still special snowflakes. Also, tp be charitable, maybe they wanted to leave but thought it would look bad in the middle of the ceremony or something. A kind person with a smile saying "Come on, let's take him/her out to the other room and we'll watch from there. Goodness, hasn't s/he grown?" would have possibly been a relief. It doesn't have to be presented as "Get that foul baby out of here at once, woman! Be gone! Gone, I say!"
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #20540 on: April 21, 2013, 07:24:47 PM »
If it had been the baby being baptized, obviously she would have had to stay.  But I agree with you that one of the adults should have taken her out, especially with CCTV set up.  I think it would have been fine for an usher to approach them and ask that they take the baby out for at least the duration of the ceremony.

POD. A crying baby should be removed from any situation where quiet and attention is expected and/or necessary, and that goes double for a church ceremony (or just a church service in general). It would have been completely OK for an usher to politely ask them to step out while the baby was crying. Given the fact that there is another room where CCTV is set up, and they could have taken the baby to that room but chose not to do so, in my opinion, the family was being special snowflakey.

I agree.  The ushers should have politely approached the family and led them to the quiet room.  On a related note, one of the older priests at the church I went to when I was a kid famously stopped a sermon because a child was being particularly noisy and told the family that there was a nursery available for child care and a quiet room available in the back of the church, and that he would wait while they decided which room to take the child to.  Then he waited and stared at them until they moved.  That wasn't very ehell approved, but it sure did make a difference in the child-noise level of the services for years, at least when he was saying mass.
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #20541 on: April 21, 2013, 08:02:20 PM »
This really belongs in the Brain Hurt thread but, since that no longer exists, I'll put it here.

Back in my library days, we had a request.  Someone wanted to write, 'Sorry about the broken leg.  Good luck, King Tut' on a friend's cast.  This was a cute idea but he wanted to write it in Egyptian hieroglyphs and I was supposed to tell him how to do it OVER THE PHONE!   :o  ???

'Okay, let's start.  Quail chick, dish, forearm, vulture, animal skin, face-forward human head, begin cartouche ...'

Because I don't read hieroglyphs,  this was total bushwah on my part but the request was absurd and I was feeling a bit frisky that day. 

At that point he decided that this was a bit more than he bargained for and hung up.

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #20542 on: April 21, 2013, 08:48:34 PM »

After church, I mentioned to DH that it would have been better if one of our ushers approached the family and asked them to take the baby to the quiet room.  DH said that would be unkind and could turn that whole family away from attending the church.  I said OK, but what about Emily and her family, who we've all known for years?  Shouldn't we be concerned about their feelings, too?  I called the baby's family special snowflakes.  DH said they weren't, and maybe the mother was just nervous about leaving the baby in the baby nursery.  I said that would be fine, she could still go to the quiet room out of consideration to the rest of the congregation - even if there wasn't important ceremony going on.  It's polite to take a baby out of a quiet setting when he or she is crying.  He says that's not very welcoming.

So what say you?
They should have moved the child to the quiet room. When they didn't either the ushers or the minister should have told them to take the child out. I hope at the very least the minister or someone from the church makes it clear in the future crying babies should be removed. 
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #20543 on: April 21, 2013, 08:52:37 PM »

After church, I mentioned to DH that it would have been better if one of our ushers approached the family and asked them to take the baby to the quiet room.  DH said that would be unkind and could turn that whole family away from attending the church.  I said OK, but what about Emily and her family, who we've all known for years?  Shouldn't we be concerned about their feelings, too?  I called the baby's family special snowflakes.  DH said they weren't, and maybe the mother was just nervous about leaving the baby in the baby nursery.  I said that would be fine, she could still go to the quiet room out of consideration to the rest of the congregation - even if there wasn't important ceremony going on.  It's polite to take a baby out of a quiet setting when he or she is crying.  He says that's not very welcoming.

So what say you?
They should have moved the child to the quiet room. When they didn't either the ushers or the minister should have told them to take the child out. I hope at the very least the minister or someone from the church makes it clear in the future crying babies should be removed.

I agree with this.  If they are asked politely and kindly to have someone take the child outside until the child has calmed down, there is no reason why they should have their feelings hurt or feel unwelcome. 

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #20544 on: April 21, 2013, 08:54:58 PM »
I LOVE "The Nightmare Before Christmas" and listen to the soundtrack once a month, even not around halloween. Yesterday was one of those days. I had it one while I cleaned out my car - not loudly but enough that I could hear it as I cleaned and I had one door at a time as I moved around the car.  So I was leaned over fishing stuff out from under the seats and I hear "Excuse Me, You NEED to turn that off right now."  I stood up, turned around and found myself nosetonose with a woman I had never seen before. She repeated that I needed to turn the cd off.  I refused and turned around to clean  again.  She started again with 'That's a Christmas CD, you need not to have that where my kid can hear it - it's NOT Christmas. I am her mother and *I* decide what she can hear and when, not you."  I finally told her that if she did not like what I was listening too, she could leave my property because I was not turning it off. I was fairly sure that if she left my driveway and even went to wherever she and the kid had been walking too, they would not hear if once past my property line.
  When I refused and told her to leave she pounded her fist so hard that I was afraid the car trunk would be dented ( it wasn't) and told me that I was "going to ruin the magic of Christmas for her kid by listening to Christmas music this time of year."
  I still don't know who the heck she was. I don't want to , either.

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #20545 on: April 21, 2013, 09:02:19 PM »
I LOVE "The Nightmare Before Christmas" and listen to the soundtrack once a month, even not around halloween. Yesterday was one of those days. I had it one while I cleaned out my car - not loudly but enough that I could hear it as I cleaned and I had one door at a time as I moved around the car.  So I was leaned over fishing stuff out from under the seats and I hear "Excuse Me, You NEED to turn that off right now."  I stood up, turned around and found myself nosetonose with a woman I had never seen before. She repeated that I needed to turn the cd off.  I refused and turned around to clean  again.  She started again with 'That's a Christmas CD, you need not to have that where my kid can hear it - it's NOT Christmas. I am her mother and *I* decide what she can hear and when, not you."  I finally told her that if she did not like what I was listening too, she could leave my property because I was not turning it off. I was fairly sure that if she left my driveway and even went to wherever she and the kid had been walking too, they would not hear if once past my property line.
  When I refused and told her to leave she pounded her fist so hard that I was afraid the car trunk would be dented ( it wasn't) and told me that I was "going to ruin the magic of Christmas for her kid by listening to Christmas music this time of year."
  I still don't know who the heck she was. I don't want to , either.

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #20546 on: April 21, 2013, 09:12:13 PM »
I LOVE "The Nightmare Before Christmas" and listen to the soundtrack once a month, even not around halloween. Yesterday was one of those days. I had it one while I cleaned out my car - not loudly but enough that I could hear it as I cleaned and I had one door at a time as I moved around the car.  So I was leaned over fishing stuff out from under the seats and I hear "Excuse Me, You NEED to turn that off right now."  I stood up, turned around and found myself nosetonose with a woman I had never seen before. She repeated that I needed to turn the cd off.  I refused and turned around to clean  again.  She started again with 'That's a Christmas CD, you need not to have that where my kid can hear it - it's NOT Christmas. I am her mother and *I* decide what she can hear and when, not you."  I finally told her that if she did not like what I was listening too, she could leave my property because I was not turning it off. I was fairly sure that if she left my driveway and even went to wherever she and the kid had been walking too, they would not hear if once past my
property line.
  When I refused and told her to leave she pounded her fist so hard that I was afraid the car trunk
would be dented ( it wasn't) and told me that I was "going to ruin the magic of Christmas for her kid
by listening to Christmas music this time of year."
  I still don't know who the heck she was. I don't want to , either.

Wow - I toght that was going to go in a totally different direction. Something along thelines of "scaring my child with 'evil Halloween'", whichnwhat happened to a friend of mine in a similar incident

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« Reply #20547 on: April 22, 2013, 07:54:50 AM »
-- and you decided what you listen to, not her. Since you weren't blaring it loudly enough that people half a block away could hear it, it was none of her business.

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« Reply #20548 on: April 22, 2013, 08:25:39 AM »
I almost wish I had let him hit me--it was a new looking car and mine's pretty old, it would have been kind of interesting to see how much that spot was "worth" to him after our insurances talked to each other. I had somewhere to be after lunch though, and based on how aggressive was behind the wheel, I don't think I wouldn't have wanted to stick around with him while waiting for the cops. I still can't believe he bullied me into backing up for him though.

DP and I have an ongoing debate of sorts going on this point - I say, it's better to avoid the accident than be right. She's more of a 'it's my right of way, no you can't share it, you'll get the ticket not me' on these things.

For example, leaving an event this weekend, there was a long lineup to turn left onto the highway. I always leave more space than is minimally necessary (usually a full car length) between me and the person ahead - I've been backed into, and think it's courteous to leave space for that 'oops, is that the lane?' occasion as well if I can, especially when we're leaving an event where folks may not be familiar with the road. A semi was in the next lane over, and turned on their signal to get into the turn lane to the highway as well, so I was staying well back (almost 3 car lengths) to allow the semi to get over. There was considerably less than 1 car length between the end of the semi and my bumper (in a cross lane direction), and I had paused (I was at the light before the turn, and it had been green for a while, so I didn't want to get stuck in the travel path on top of everything else going on). DP starts fussing at me about moving up already (most of the space between my car and the one in front was the travel lane for people turning onto the freeway from the opposite direction, so I'd have been in their way - and there's still that semi with the turn signal) so I said no... and just as I did, some moron goes flying around the traffic waiting behind me, squeals through the gap between me and the semi (nearly hitting us both) and stops short, with the back of his truck blocking the lane. If I'd have listened to DP, I'd have been hit broadside, just where she was sitting, as I'd have JUST pushed forward when he slipped through.

I know the other driver was an SS. I wish DP wasn't so SS too!

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #20549 on: April 22, 2013, 09:49:08 AM »
After church, I mentioned to DH that it would have been better if one of our ushers approached the family and asked them to take the baby to the quiet room.  DH said that would be unkind and could turn that whole family away from attending the church.  I said OK, but what about Emily and her family, who we've all known for years?  Shouldn't we be concerned about their feelings, too?  I called the baby's family special snowflakes.  DH said they weren't, and maybe the mother was just nervous about leaving the baby in the baby nursery.  I said that would be fine, she could still go to the quiet room out of consideration to the rest of the congregation - even if there wasn't important ceremony going on.  It's polite to take a baby out of a quiet setting when he or she is crying.  He says that's not very welcoming.

So what say you?

You know what's not welcoming? Being at church and having to listen to a baby shriek like a fire alarm through the whole service because nobody could be bothered to take them out to the cry room.
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