Concerning church-and-kids doings, as much discussed upthread: as a non-parent, and unreligious person / non-churchgoer, I have no possible dog in this fight. Must admit, though, to having entertained the thought, "people have been attending regular religious services, and have been reproducing, for thousands of years. Surely during that length of time, they could have worked out ways to efficiently handle the problems / conflicts of interests, posed by the two?" A moment of thought tells that it isn't that simple: society and its ways, change and evolve over quite short time-spans -- what worked even 30 - 40 years ago, may not work anything like so well now. In all, a difficult one: message got by me, "if I were to get religion, it would behove me to try my best to be tolerant and non-cranky, re kids brought to church".