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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #20925 on: May 07, 2013, 03:39:41 PM »
can we take the witch discussion offline or to another thread

Just FYI, I have asked the mods to please weigh in on this issue, and hopefully one will soon.  I'm not saying don't start another thread or go to the "file under miscellaneous" thread if you would like, that's entirely up to you, but I wanted to let you all know that hopefully we'll be getting a word from a mod soon and it will most likely be in this thread.

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #20926 on: May 07, 2013, 03:46:09 PM »
This was discussed in 2007, the thread is here:  http://www.etiquettehell.com/smf/index.php?topic=14548.0
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #20927 on: May 07, 2013, 05:07:44 PM »
Please take the witch discussion to the thread linked above.

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #20928 on: May 07, 2013, 09:15:12 PM »
I've got 2 for 1.

2 coworkers got called in to the principal's office for using up their sick and personal leave days.

Coworker 1 has some health problems but also considers her sick and personal leave days part of her wages and uses them up every year. Remember we are teachers so we have multiple built in vacation days. Every year she uses up all her days with stuff like Motorcycle ralleys then gets sick when the oak trees try to choke us all to death and has no days. She explained she is having emotional issues because of an attack that happened several years ago. Principal told her that she needed to apply to HR for FMLA. Well she decided to take a mental health day last week. Here is the SS part - she never filled out any of the paper work just keyed in FMLA to the system and bragged how now Principal can't touch her.

2nd person explained that she was sorry but she had 3 kids and they had been sick. In particular her oldest has balance/mobility problems but they have never recieved a firm diagnoses. He had to have several procedures that required he go to Texas Children's including one overnight stay. Principal told her sorry but you can't take off any more days. I told her to get the paper work for FMLA. She asked him about it - and he told her that she wasn't eligable. I checked with Sis (part of her job is helping people with this) - who hit the roof and called my boss several names. A child with a chronic condition and friend has worked for the district for over a decade. Friend is going to HR to get the FMLA in place so she and her DH (also long term district employee) can use it when appropriate. I told her to file a complaint or at least make sure they know he told her she wasn't eligable.

I think Principal deserves an SS award for giving her bad information instead of referring her to HR - Especially because he just came off of FMLA. Part of me wonders if he knows she is one of 15 teachers that filed a complaint through  FFRF about his bible quote diatribes demanding we pray over them (we are public school). He got smacked down hard for that one.
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #20929 on: May 08, 2013, 08:53:53 AM »
I feel for your friend. Please help her get her paperwork in order. I have been getting guff from my principal about my absences (teacher also) but I still have sick days banked even after the ones I've had to take.  I'm pretty sure that this (unofficially) tied into the choice to add me to the layoff pool (almost 1200 teachers so far).

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #20930 on: May 08, 2013, 05:24:53 PM »
That would never happen in Australia, you'd just be asked for medical certificates to prove you are taking the sick leave you're entitled to if you work full or part time. Even on casual they excuse you from work with one, but it's unpaid.

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #20931 on: May 08, 2013, 09:49:35 PM »
In my current workplace, an employee's supervisor reserves the right to ask for a doctor's note if the employee is out for three days or longer.  And as an HR rep--I basically AM the HR department--I recommend supervisors ask for a doctor's note anyway, regardless of how long the employee is out.  There are still people who game the system (e.g. accrue a day of leave then immediately take that day), but the doctor's-note policy cuts down on sick-leave abuse.

As for the people who do game the system, that's something I just.  don't.  get.  And I agree they're being SS's.  In the spring of 2006, I became severely ill and had to go on medical leave for two months.  I had three months of sick leave saved up.  My illness is under control now, thankfully, but could flare up again at any time.  That's why I'd rather have the sick leave on the books and not need it, than need it and not have it.
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #20932 on: May 08, 2013, 10:11:33 PM »
I feel for your friend. Please help her get her paperwork in order. I have been getting guff from my principal about my absences (teacher also) but I still have sick days banked even after the ones I've had to take.  I'm pretty sure that this (unofficially) tied into the choice to add me to the layoff pool (almost 1200 teachers so far).
My sister is going to help her. The Jerk has been threatening US with RIF for 3 years now even though the district is opening new schools left and right. HE went off for 15 minutes today on how he has been "protecting us" and if you aren't willing to go the extra mile don't sign your contract.

He has already been up on civil rights charges. He lost it at the before school starts inservices and screamed at us for 1/2 an our because someone dared to take offense at his comment that BIL teachers cooperate more with each other because they lack resources. (I actually agree with him on that one - just not the screaming at me for 15 min because of what someone else did) This was in front of the head of staff development.

He has told teachers that he believes the kids over the teachers. - even with things that can be proven like if a teacher was texting in class.
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #20933 on: May 09, 2013, 12:16:04 AM »
In my current workplace, an employee's supervisor reserves the right to ask for a doctor's note if the employee is out for three days or longer.  And as an HR rep--I basically AM the HR department--I recommend supervisors ask for a doctor's note anyway, regardless of how long the employee is out.  There are still people who game the system (e.g. accrue a day of leave then immediately take that day), but the doctor's-note policy cuts down on sick-leave abuse.

What if they don't go to the doctor? I can't remember the last time I went to the doctor for an illness. I have been sick for several days in a row, but it would take more effort and driving to see my doctor than it would to go to work.

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #20934 on: May 09, 2013, 12:40:18 AM »
It's usual standard policy for workplaces to require a medical certificate so the person can be seen they were unfit for work for those days.

And presumably, people do go to the doctor to get treated for illness.

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #20935 on: May 09, 2013, 12:58:49 AM »
It's usual standard policy for workplaces to require a medical certificate so the person can be seen they were unfit for work for those days.

And presumably, people do go to the doctor to get treated for illness.

Which can be deeply annoying if it takes 2 weeks to get an appointment to see a Doctor and get a note here (rural). Unless you have been hospitalized recently or have something life threatening they can't squeeze you in and the emergency dept. don't do sick notes unless you are sick enough to be admitted. Thankfully, most places only require a sick note after 2-3 consecutive sick days. Unless your boss is a known tyrant in my town they tend to let the sick note thing slide unless it becomes a regular occurrence or you abuse it. Most bosses/businesses live in this area so they know how it is.


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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #20936 on: May 09, 2013, 01:21:07 AM »
I love M's employer.  The do PTO... all you need is a reason.  If it's not far enough in advance, you get a demerit, but it's one per infraction, not per day.
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #20937 on: May 09, 2013, 01:56:46 AM »
It's usual standard policy for workplaces to require a medical certificate so the person can be seen they were unfit for work for those days.

It's never been required anywhere I've worked, or at least never invoked with anyone I knew.

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And presumably, people do go to the doctor to get treated for illness.

Why would I go to a doctor for a normal cold or flu? Pay money to be told to take it easy and drink lots of fluids? I already know that. For most people there's a fairly vast gulf between "sick enough to not want to go to work" and "sick enough to go see the doctor."

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #20938 on: May 09, 2013, 02:42:36 AM »
It's usual standard policy for workplaces to require a medical certificate so the person can be seen they were unfit for work for those days.

It's never been required anywhere I've worked, or at least never invoked with anyone I knew.

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And presumably, people do go to the doctor to get treated for illness.

Why would I go to a doctor for a normal cold or flu? Pay money to be told to take it easy and drink lots of fluids? I already know that. For most people there's a fairly vast gulf between "sick enough to not want to go to work" and "sick enough to go see the doctor."

It's to state that you were unfit for work and thereby protected from dismissal for taking of leave incorrectly. That's what a medical certificate sas when you get one 'this person is unfit for work'. Even if it is for a very bad cold or flu, you may be required to get one by an employer.

http://www.business.vic.gov.au/operating-a-business/employing-and-managing-people/employer-responsibilities/sick-personal-and-carers-leave

However, this may be because in Australia a doctor's visit needn't cost much, or anything. You claim it back on Medicare, or, like mine, you are bulk billed and don't pay a cent.

But that's a topic for another thread. Needless to say, I wouldn't be surprised at all if an employer asks me for a medical certificate for more than two days sick leave.

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #20939 on: May 09, 2013, 03:03:06 AM »

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But that's a topic for another thread. Needless to say, I wouldn't be surprised at all if an employer asks me for a medical certificate for more than two days sick leave.

The way the policy for my employer is written, it is on the supervisor to request a doctor's note if an employee is out for three days or longer.  Usually they don't request notes for someone who is out just a day or two... unless they have reason to suspect the employee is abusing sick leave.
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