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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #22935 on: August 20, 2013, 12:12:46 PM »
I don't know if that's SS... in Canada prizes aren't taxed.  It seems a bit evil for the govt to tax prizes, IMHO, especially non-cash ones.

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« Reply #22936 on: August 20, 2013, 12:13:40 PM »
SS is shocked you have to pay taxes on game show prizes
http://shine.yahoo.com/work-money/price-8230-taxes-high-174700410.html

I don't think shocked that they have to pay taxes as shocked that you have to pay taxes before you are allowed to pick things up. I always thought you paid the taxes when you file - not before you pick up the new car you just won. That would be hard for a lot of people - to come up with the tax money within 90 days.

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #22937 on: August 20, 2013, 12:19:23 PM »
SS is shocked you have to pay taxes on game show prizes
http://shine.yahoo.com/work-money/price-8230-taxes-high-174700410.html

I must admit, I find the idea of paying tax on the value of a prize such as a car a bit odd.

Just wondering are you in the US?


A prize is considered a gift, you have to pay taxes on the value of the gift.

Nope, UK, no tax on prizes here AFAIK.
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #22938 on: August 20, 2013, 12:22:09 PM »
SS is shocked you have to pay taxes on game show prizes
http://shine.yahoo.com/work-money/price-8230-taxes-high-174700410.html

I don't think shocked that they have to pay taxes as shocked that you have to pay taxes before you are allowed to pick things up. I always thought you paid the taxes when you file - not before you pick up the new car you just won. That would be hard for a lot of people - to come up with the tax money within 90 days.

it's kind of a catch 22.  The recipient doesn't HAVE to pay taxes until they file.  However, the donor doesn't HAVE to release the gift until their conditions are met.  One of those conditions may be that the taxes are paid before the delivery of the gift. 

My old roommate in Chicago was one of the people who was in the audience when Oprah gave away a Pontiac G6.  The show paid for all of the STATE/LOCAL taxes and fees, but not the federal taxes.  Me and her mom helped her pay the tax so she could keep the car. 
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« Reply #22939 on: August 20, 2013, 12:56:15 PM »
And don't get me started about people who just toss their cigarette butts onto the ground.
We call them "butt-heads" ... but we keep our windows closed when we do. >:D

My ex boyfriend was a smoker. He once tossed a cigarette butt out the window while he was driving. It flew back in, landed on his crotch, burned him, then rolled onto the seat and burned a hole in it while he was swatting at the butt trying to get it out of his lap.

Similar thing happened to my sister, except it landed in the back seat of her car and she had to pull over to put it out. It burned a great big hole in her back seat.

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« Reply #22940 on: August 20, 2013, 12:57:49 PM »
SS is shocked you have to pay taxes on game show prizes
http://shine.yahoo.com/work-money/price-8230-taxes-high-174700410.html

I must admit, I find the idea of paying tax on the value of a prize such as a car a bit odd.

Just wondering are you in the US?


A prize is considered a gift, you have to pay taxes on the value of the gift.

I thought it was considered income, but that's just nit-picking.

Having to come up with taxes before collecting the prize would be a PITA though, for something like a car. I wonder, though, if you have the option of getting cash value instead of the actual vehicle, can they just deduct taxes from the cash?
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« Reply #22941 on: August 20, 2013, 12:59:29 PM »
And don't get me started about people who just toss their cigarette butts onto the ground.
We call them "butt-heads" ... but we keep our windows closed when we do. >:D

My ex boyfriend was a smoker. He once tossed a cigarette butt out the window while he was driving. It flew back in, landed on his crotch, burned him, then rolled onto the seat and burned a hole in it while he was swatting at the butt trying to get it out of his lap.

Similar thing happened to my sister, except it landed in the back seat of her car and she had to pull over to put it out. It burned a great big hole in her back seat.

I seem to recall a movie... Reality Bites, maybe? There's a scene where someone throws a butt out a window and it lands on papers in someone else's car, starts a fire, and causes a crash. Thankfully, no serious injuries.
What part of v_e = \sqrt{\frac{2GM}{r}} don't you understand? It's only rocket science!

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #22942 on: August 20, 2013, 01:06:31 PM »
SS is shocked you have to pay taxes on game show prizes
http://shine.yahoo.com/work-money/price-8230-taxes-high-174700410.html

I must admit, I find the idea of paying tax on the value of a prize such as a car a bit odd.

Just wondering are you in the US?


A prize is considered a gift, you have to pay taxes on the value of the gift.

I thought it was considered income, but that's just nit-picking.

Having to come up with taxes before collecting the prize would be a PITA though, for something like a car. I wonder, though, if you have the option of getting cash value instead of the actual vehicle, can they just deduct taxes from the cash?

No you are right.  Gifts are considered income.  I should have been more clear.

With my friend they gave her 3 options.  Forfeit the car, accept the car but have the dealership sell it and give you the money minus the taxes, take the car and pay the taxes.

This may or may not be the norm
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« Reply #22943 on: August 20, 2013, 01:21:37 PM »
SS is shocked you have to pay taxes on game show prizes
http://shine.yahoo.com/work-money/price-8230-taxes-high-174700410.html

I don't think shocked that they have to pay taxes as shocked that you have to pay taxes before you are allowed to pick things up. I always thought you paid the taxes when you file - not before you pick up the new car you just won. That would be hard for a lot of people - to come up with the tax money within 90 days.

it's kind of a catch 22.  The recipient doesn't HAVE to pay taxes until they file.  However, the donor doesn't HAVE to release the gift until their conditions are met.  One of those conditions may be that the taxes are paid before the delivery of the gift. 

My old roommate in Chicago was one of the people who was in the audience when Oprah gave away a Pontiac G6.  The show paid for all of the STATE/LOCAL taxes and fees, but not the federal taxes.  Me and her mom helped her pay the tax so she could keep the car.

This was lso on GMA this morning. What I didn't like was they used an example of a woman who had won the showcase on The Price is Right, and wasn't able to get her prizes until she paid all taxes. they were trying to make it out like this was some heinous rule the game shows came up with, when in fact, its the IRS and tax laws. In the end, she said "don't go on a game show if you're broke"  they also interviewed a CPA who said these are IRS rules; the game shows don't make them up, and they tell each nad every contestant if they win, they will owe tax.

Heck, if you win any money above a certain amount in the lottery, casino, or say through a 50/50, you have to provide your info so you can be issued a W-2 for your winnings, so there's no free lucnh anywhere!

And i'm kind of curious about the Oprah car giveaway, since they mentioned that too, and that people had to pay 7K in taxes, which to me, seemed to be a bit high. Was that the acse with your roommate?

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« Reply #22944 on: August 20, 2013, 01:29:26 PM »
At least in California, if you can show that you could buy the same car off of a dealer's lot for a lesser amount, they will adjust the taxes to the lower amount. (Had a friend who won on a game show in California.)

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« Reply #22945 on: August 20, 2013, 02:19:41 PM »
The $7000 was how much someone in the very highest tax bracket would owe to the IRS.  The amount of taxes owed is based on your personal tax bracket.  I'm a bit fuzzy on the details, but I chipped in about $250 towards her tax bill.  Her mother chipped in more than I did.  I think she owed around $1000 or so. 

They had to sign a waiver when they got to set.  The waiver did say that any prizes given on the show are subject to Local/State/Federal taxes.  However, there was nothing that said that the donor could withhold the prize until you paid all applicable taxes.  That's what people don't understand when they go on these shows.

When you get a gift/prize, the donor has to issue a W2, and the recipient has to complete a 1099-G so it's not like the IRS won't know that someone received a gift/prize.  I think it's a bit of bait and switch on the part of the donors to withhold the prizes like that without telling people ahead of time.
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #22946 on: August 20, 2013, 02:26:51 PM »
SS is shocked you have to pay taxes on game show prizes
http://shine.yahoo.com/work-money/price-8230-taxes-high-174700410.html

I must admit, I find the idea of paying tax on the value of a prize such as a car a bit odd.

Just wondering are you in the US?


A prize is considered a gift, you have to pay taxes on the value of the gift.

I thought it was considered income, but that's just nit-picking.

Having to come up with taxes before collecting the prize would be a PITA though, for something like a car. I wonder, though, if you have the option of getting cash value instead of the actual vehicle, can they just deduct taxes from the cash?

In the case of that particular show, you get the prize as described or you get nothing - no option to get a cash value instead.  That makes sense, since I think all the prizes are donated (or at least subsidized) by the manufacturers - they're happy to give you a $20,000 car (which actually only costs them half that), but they're not going to give you $20K in cash and they're not going to admit that their outlay was closer to $10K.

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« Reply #22947 on: August 20, 2013, 03:54:15 PM »
http://fox59.com/2013/08/19/woman-wants-changes-at-library-after-grandson-checks-out-erotic-novel/#axzz2cWeZf4xd

To summarize - kid checks out adult erotic novel; grandma wants the novel removed from the library.  I agree with the library - the adult responsible for what this kid reads is not a library staff member.   I personally find this SS because her answer is to remove the book instead of suggesting that the erotic books and childrens books be moved so that they aren't on either side of the bookcase from each other (I could see how that would not be very clear to a child).  But removing the book entirely is like burning the forest because you don't like one type of flower that grows there.


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« Reply #22948 on: August 20, 2013, 07:51:39 PM »
http://fox59.com/2013/08/19/woman-wants-changes-at-library-after-grandson-checks-out-erotic-novel/#axzz2cWeZf4xd

To summarize - kid checks out adult erotic novel; grandma wants the novel removed from the library.  I agree with the library - the adult responsible for what this kid reads is not a library staff member.   I personally find this SS because her answer is to remove the book instead of suggesting that the erotic books and childrens books be moved so that they aren't on either side of the bookcase from each other (I could see how that would not be very clear to a child).  But removing the book entirely is like burning the forest because you don't like one type of flower that grows there.

Wow, lady is a SS indeed.

Makes me glad that my library growing up didn't have restrictions on what minors could check out.  Policy was and still is that the only people who should be monitoring a child's reading selections are his/her parents.

And also that once said child turned 18, what they checked out was none of their parents' business.  I had some fun conversations over that when I worked the checkout desk...

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« Reply #22949 on: August 20, 2013, 07:59:41 PM »
Restaurant SS's:
This restaurant has a vestibule that juts out. There are doors from the outside to the vestibule on the N and W walls, the E wall is 2 doors between the vestibule and the restaurant, and the south wall is plain glass.
Some SS's had tied their dogs to one of the east wall's door handles. The dogs were inside the vestibule, and a little girl was crying because every time she tried to leave, the dogs would jump up on her. They were friendly dogs, just wanting to play, which is what I'm sure the SSs would offer as their defense. But to tie your dogs inside the vestibule? Where all the customers had to step over and around them to come and go?
There was no table in the restaurant that had a view of the vestibule, so it wasn't because they were keeping an eye on the dogs. It was a balmy 74 degrees, so the dogs would have been fine tied up in a car with the windows down, and because the restaurant wasn't busy, it would have been a piece of cake for the SSs to have asked for a table where they could see their car. There was an iron fence to which the doors could have been tied (admittedly, the terrain around it wasn't very cozy for dogs), and several handicapped parking signs; there was even a bike rack on a bit of greenspace! Instead, they tied up their dogs in the spot most likely to experience solar heating, not to mention to annoy other customers. I wondered how many dog-phobic people had turned away rather than eating there as planned.

I'd say the SS action was taking the dogs someplace where they weren't actually welcome (i.e. vet, groomer, Pet Smart) in addition to putting the animals in an unsafe place.

But just had to add -- it really doesn't have to be that warm outside before the inside of a car becomes dangerously hot for an animal left inside.  If there's sun, even at 60 degrees, the car's interior can get over 100 in about a half hour (and continues to climb if more time).   Stanford University ran an experiment that found that regardless of ambient temp, if the sun is out, there's an average 40 degree increase in temp inside the car in a half hour and cracking windows and/or running the a/c before parking didn't make a difference.
I agree under most circumstances.  When I went back to my car, which was parked in the sun and had the windows all the way up, my car was not at all uncomfortable to get into, so I don't believe that on this particular day and in this particular location, the dogs would have been in trouble if they'd been tied up to something inside the car, with the windows all the way down. I'm sure the answer was that they wanted to protect their car from passing vandals, but they could have parked it, asked for a table where they could see it, and been prepared to run if they saw anyone harassing their dogs or damaging the car. As it was, they had no idea if people were being kind or cruel to their dogs in the vestibule. I wouldn't ever put my animals at the mercy of the general public.