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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #23100 on: August 26, 2013, 06:28:01 PM »
Good grief, d_d!  That makes me stabby.

I'm old enough to remember when kids were given everything, school supply-wise.  That included pens, pencils, and a fresh new pack of crayons.  (Honestly, was there anything more wonderful than brand-new Crayola crayons, with the points all pointy and the paper un-ripped?  Siiiigh.)  But yeah, that hasn't been the case in my hometown for decades. 

I remember one year when our daughter's list included playing cards and dice.  I joked that the teacher must be planning to teach them how to gamble.

They are given everything in the elementary school in our neighborhood.   Not all elementary schools in our county do it, but because the area is full of students below the poverty level, they provide school supplies for free to all students as well as a free breakfast.  Once the kids get to middle school though, the families have to start buying supplies.
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #23101 on: August 26, 2013, 06:39:36 PM »
I went with my SIL to pick up the kids from school today. As we were picking up the kids  a father walks into my niece's room and says "What's this list all about, public school is supposed to be free. IF you want my kid to have this stuff --you blanket-blank pay for it!" Slammed the school supply list on the desk and walked out.
 
  Honestly, we spent less than $10 for the entire list buying on sales, the list is not that onerous - and if you can't afford it, you can go to one of the food kitchens show them that you can't and get free stuff.

Where has he been for the last, oh, 20 years or so?
I seem to remember that the schools in California DID supply everything in the 1960's.  I might be wrong, though.  When you are 6, stuff just appears.  You never see Mom buying it.  (Probably because you are too busy agitating for a box of AlphaBits and/or a ride on the mechanical horse.)
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #23102 on: August 26, 2013, 06:46:00 PM »
I went with my SIL to pick up the kids from school today. As we were picking up the kids  a father walks into my niece's room and says "What's this list all about, public school is supposed to be free. IF you want my kid to have this stuff --you blanket-blank pay for it!" Slammed the school supply list on the desk and walked out.
 
  Honestly, we spent less than $10 for the entire list buying on sales, the list is not that onerous - and if you can't afford it, you can go to one of the food kitchens show them that you can't and get free stuff.

Where has he been for the last, oh, 20 years or so?
I seem to remember that the schools in California DID supply everything in the 1960's.  I might be wrong, though.  When you are 6, stuff just appears.  You never see Mom buying it.  (Probably because you are too busy agitating for a box of AlphaBits and/or a ride on the mechanical horse.)

Schools in California did supply almost everything you needed in Elementary school, at least through the end of the 1990s when no one in my family was in elementary school anymore. I grew up there and remember just getting a folder to bring stuff home because I didn't want it to get messed up. And later elementary buying pens with erasers because the school supplied one were just very plain ball points.

Middle school and up you did have to supply stuff, but you didn't get lists except maybe from the science teacher directly. Otherwise you just got what every pens, pencils, notebooks etc you wanted to use.

I have confirmed this memory with my Mother, because now I live in a state where you get a long list each year of specific school supplies to bring. The first year I had a child in Kindergarten I asked her as I wondered if I had just forgotten school lists.
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #23103 on: August 26, 2013, 07:13:35 PM »
Jerry Seinfeld had a rant about why he felt justified leaving his trash behind in the theater...he paid $7.50 (it's an old routine :-) ) for his ticket, the theater was making enough money, let them clean it up.

Except of course he wasn't hurting the theater owner one tiny bit, just adding one more little bit of aggravation to the lives of the minimum wage employees who have to clean up after his lazy, entitled millionaire butt.

If I drop the stuff, by mistake, then yeah, that is what the employees are paid for, though I feel pretty crummy that I've made their jobs harder. If I throw the stuff on the floor, or even LEAVE it there intentionally, I'm jist being a jerk.

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I don't see how leaving an empty popcorn bag on the floor of a theatre is making someone's job harder.  Their job is to clean up.  I could see how stepping on popcorn and grinding it into the carpet, or spilling soda, or leaving it wedged in your seat, could be an issue.  In fact, if everyone took their trash with them and was perfectly clean, there would be people losing their jobs because there would be nothing to clean up.

In case this wasn't sarcasm.  While I have never worked in a theater I can promise you with 100% certainty that I have never seen any business where employees jobs where in danger because customers threw out their trash. I can aslo say I have seen or experienced several dozen occasion where an employee was berated , chastises , written up ect. exactly because customers  did not throw their trash away. Everything from.........how did no one clean up these cigaret buts someone dumped in the parking lot - there are 3 tables with food trays still on them(while there was one cashier 5 people in line and the tables had emptied within the last 90 seconds).......what do you mean you had to stay after close for 10 minutes because there was a mess  , if  every go over hours again you;re fired .....someone left a MacDonald's bag in the back of the store. I sat there and times it it took 17 minutes for anyone to go back there and pick it up(in a furniture store with a 100 "rooms" and no clear line of visibility) same furniture store "there are two books on the sales floor set that are upside down (out of a possible 800 books minimum in any of the 100 rooms)
Trust me leaving a mess does not give the staff job security.

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #23104 on: August 26, 2013, 07:23:14 PM »
Shalamar, I really wondered if he would have been so keen on the idea if it had been his wife or daughter that happened to.

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #23105 on: August 26, 2013, 08:10:21 PM »
Jerry Seinfeld had a rant about why he felt justified leaving his trash behind in the theater...he paid $7.50 (it's an old routine :-) ) for his ticket, the theater was making enough money, let them clean it up.

Except of course he wasn't hurting the theater owner one tiny bit, just adding one more little bit of aggravation to the lives of the minimum wage employees who have to clean up after his lazy, entitled millionaire butt.

If I drop the stuff, by mistake, then yeah, that is what the employees are paid for, though I feel pretty crummy that I've made their jobs harder. If I throw the stuff on the floor, or even LEAVE it there intentionally, I'm jist being a jerk.

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I don't see how leaving an empty popcorn bag on the floor of a theatre is making someone's job harder.  Their job is to clean up.  I could see how stepping on popcorn and grinding it into the carpet, or spilling soda, or leaving it wedged in your seat, could be an issue.  In fact, if everyone took their trash with them and was perfectly clean, there would be people losing their jobs because there would be nothing to clean up.

Or I could be busy making sure that people aren't sneaking into theaters or being rude, that the projectors are running the right way, that the bathrooms are clean, that the tile slick with butter is being mopped, and that the trash bags are put into the dumpster and replaced (I or my coworker did all of that last night). I sure wouldn't lose a job if people picked up their drinks and bags and put them in the trash can the ushers put out for their convenience, but it would help me to do it faster and more efficiently.

I promise, when there's a rush to get 10 auditoriums clean in 30 minutes, it makes it infinitely easier if people try the best they can to keep their area clean. I don't expect spotless floors, because popcorn can go everywhere, but not walking (general) your concessions out to the trash can just because I can do it for (general) you is, frankly, entitled and really Special Snowflake.
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #23106 on: August 26, 2013, 08:14:21 PM »
I went with my SIL to pick up the kids from school today. As we were picking up the kids  a father walks into my niece's room and says "What's this list all about, public school is supposed to be free. IF you want my kid to have this stuff --you blanket-blank pay for it!" Slammed the school supply list on the desk and walked out.
 
  Honestly, we spent less than $10 for the entire list buying on sales, the list is not that onerous - and if you can't afford it, you can go to one of the food kitchens show them that you can't and get free stuff.

Where has he been for the last, oh, 20 years or so?
I seem to remember that the schools in California DID supply everything in the 1960's.  I might be wrong, though.  When you are 6, stuff just appears.  You never see Mom buying it.  (Probably because you are too busy agitating for a box of AlphaBits and/or a ride on the mechanical horse.)

Schools in California did supply almost everything you needed in Elementary school, at least through the end of the 1990s when no one in my family was in elementary school anymore. I grew up there and remember just getting a folder to bring stuff home because I didn't want it to get messed up. And later elementary buying pens with erasers because the school supplied one were just very plain ball points.

Middle school and up you did have to supply stuff, but you didn't get lists except maybe from the science teacher directly. Otherwise you just got what every pens, pencils, notebooks etc you wanted to use.

I have confirmed this memory with my Mother, because now I live in a state where you get a long list each year of specific school supplies to bring. The first year I had a child in Kindergarten I asked her as I wondered if I had just forgotten school lists.

  The school districts I am familiar with have never given out supplies like  that we always had lists and being able to pick out our folders and supplies at the store was one of the best things "ever". 

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #23107 on: August 26, 2013, 08:18:30 PM »
A number of churches that I'm familiar with (I know of at least 3) have been collecting loaded backpacks for kids in poorer school districts.  You pick up a backpack from the church (not sure if you buy it from them or if they pay for them out of church funds) and then you load it up with school supplies from a list, and return it to the church.  They deliver hundreds of backpacks to various districts that need them.  So presumably those districts don't provide the supplies themselves and require the students to get them, but not all the students can afford to.

What I don't like is when parents are expected to foot the bill for the school supplies, but the supplies are then tossed into a communal pot and then the kids all share everything.  The crayons seem to get damaged a lot faster when they're "everybody's" property instead of one kid taking care of them.  And the so-carefully chosen favorite color of schoolbox or erasers gets lost and the girl ends up with a black schoolbox instead of the purple one she chose.
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #23108 on: August 26, 2013, 08:22:42 PM »
A number of churches that I'm familiar with (I know of at least 3) have been collecting loaded backpacks for kids in poorer school districts.  You pick up a backpack from the church (not sure if you buy it from them or if they pay for them out of church funds) and then you load it up with school supplies from a list, and return it to the church.  They deliver hundreds of backpacks to various districts that need them.  So presumably those districts don't provide the supplies themselves and require the students to get them, but not all the students can afford to.

What I don't like is when parents are expected to foot the bill for the school supplies, but the supplies are then tossed into a communal pot and then the kids all share everything.  The crayons seem to get damaged a lot faster when they're "everybody's" property instead of one kid taking care of them.  And the so-carefully chosen favorite color of schoolbox or erasers gets lost and the girl ends up with a black schoolbox instead of the purple one she chose.

  That drives me wild.

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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #23109 on: August 26, 2013, 08:24:18 PM »
A number of churches that I'm familiar with (I know of at least 3) have been collecting loaded backpacks for kids in poorer school districts.  You pick up a backpack from the church (not sure if you buy it from them or if they pay for them out of church funds) and then you load it up with school supplies from a list, and return it to the church.  They deliver hundreds of backpacks to various districts that need them.  So presumably those districts don't provide the supplies themselves and require the students to get them, but not all the students can afford to.


Our church (and others in our area) contribute to a program called "Micah's Backpacks".  Food is collected and put into bags which are then brought to the school and on Fridays these bags are given to students who might not have enough food to get them through the weekend.  Not school supplies, but it does help. :)
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #23110 on: August 26, 2013, 08:30:27 PM »
Heck, even in the Dark Ages, we started the year with school supplies.  I don't remember the teacher sending home a list; certainly it would have been a lot shorter (I'm pretty sure no one was expected to bring boxes of tissues, and hand sanitizer didn't exist.)  But we were expected to have pencils, notebook, eraser, crayons, etc. 

Come to think of it, there must of been some kind of list.  In first grade, I was supposed to have thick pencils for some reason.  The teacher kept telling me to use the fat pencils; my mother kept refusing to buy fat pencils because we had lots of regular pencils.  Why did they keep telling me instead of each other?   ???

I certainly understand getting frustrated with the sheer amount of stuff parents have to buy.  School supplies for two kids ran me almost $200, counting sturdy backpacks.  I had to buy the usual notebooks, paper, giant packs of pencils and pens, but I also had to buy plastic gallon bags, tissue, paper plates, paper cups, hand sanitizer, and dry erase markers for the classroom whiteboard. The amount of stuff that parents are expected to provide for classroom wide use is getting ridiculous. 


But I certainly don't condone the way the dad behaved
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #23111 on: August 26, 2013, 08:34:15 PM »
Heck, even in the Dark Ages, we started the year with school supplies.  I don't remember the teacher sending home a list; certainly it would have been a lot shorter (I'm pretty sure no one was expected to bring boxes of tissues, and hand sanitizer didn't exist.)  But we were expected to have pencils, notebook, eraser, crayons, etc. 

Come to think of it, there must of been some kind of list.  In first grade, I was supposed to have thick pencils for some reason.  The teacher kept telling me to use the fat pencils; my mother kept refusing to buy fat pencils because we had lots of regular pencils.  Why did they keep telling me instead of each other?   ???

I certainly understand getting frustrated with the sheer amount of stuff parents have to buy.  School supplies for two kids ran me almost $200, counting sturdy backpacks.  I had to buy the usual notebooks, paper, giant packs of pencils and pens, but I also had to buy plastic gallon bags, tissue, paper plates, paper cups, hand sanitizer, and dry erase markers for the classroom whiteboard. The amount of stuff that parents are expected to provide for classroom wide use is getting ridiculous.

 Agreed. But alternative is the teachers spend thousands to buy all this for all the  kids in their classes, that does not seem reasonable either. And I think there should be better ways to handle it than tax increases.  There are so many grants and programs ( I spent 5 years researching these for a friend ) that schools could use it's not funny.
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #23112 on: August 26, 2013, 08:38:02 PM »
Heck, even in the Dark Ages, we started the year with school supplies.  I don't remember the teacher sending home a list; certainly it would have been a lot shorter (I'm pretty sure no one was expected to bring boxes of tissues, and hand sanitizer didn't exist.)  But we were expected to have pencils, notebook, eraser, crayons, etc. 

Come to think of it, there must of been some kind of list.  In first grade, I was supposed to have thick pencils for some reason.  The teacher kept telling me to use the fat pencils; my mother kept refusing to buy fat pencils because we had lots of regular pencils.  Why did they keep telling me instead of each other?   ???

I certainly understand getting frustrated with the sheer amount of stuff parents have to buy.  School supplies for two kids ran me almost $200, counting sturdy backpacks.  I had to buy the usual notebooks, paper, giant packs of pencils and pens, but I also had to buy plastic gallon bags, tissue, paper plates, paper cups, hand sanitizer, and dry erase markers for the classroom whiteboard. The amount of stuff that parents are expected to provide for classroom wide use is getting ridiculous.

 Agreed. But alternative is the teachers spend thousands to buy all this for all the  kids in the

I agree, it doesn't really bother me because I've heard a lot of times due to budget cuts, if it's not the parents supplying it, it's the teacher who is producing this stuff from their own pocket money.
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #23113 on: August 26, 2013, 08:57:38 PM »
My DH and I visit the movie theater quite a bit and we have noticed it is more likely for adults to leave a mess than kids where we are. There is no excuse to leave your garbage everywhere! Especially items brought from outside that weren't caught by the ticket taker.

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I wonder if the county attorney could construe that to be a drive-by shooting and level charges at both the boy and his mother.
I would  hope so a BB gun is a GUN not a toy. He shot at people, she allowed it and drove off they should both be arrested and charged with the most severe charges possible.
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Re: Special Snowflake Stories
« Reply #23114 on: August 26, 2013, 09:07:49 PM »
A number of churches that I'm familiar with (I know of at least 3) have been collecting loaded backpacks for kids in poorer school districts.  You pick up a backpack from the church (not sure if you buy it from them or if they pay for them out of church funds) and then you load it up with school supplies from a list, and return it to the church.  They deliver hundreds of backpacks to various districts that need them.  So presumably those districts don't provide the supplies themselves and require the students to get them, but not all the students can afford to.

What I don't like is when parents are expected to foot the bill for the school supplies, but the supplies are then tossed into a communal pot and then the kids all share everything.  The crayons seem to get damaged a lot faster when they're "everybody's" property instead of one kid taking care of them.  And the so-carefully chosen favorite color of schoolbox or erasers gets lost and the girl ends up with
a black schoolbox instead of the purple one she chose.

Our church does the back pack /supply drive every year.   We always pick up a couple since Boo's supplies come with his tuition (private school) and I like shopping for supplies. 

I remember shopping for basic supplies in grade school (I graduated over 20 years ago and this was outside Chicago). Stuff lime markers, glue, tissues.  Middle school and high school alwya had big lists because every teacher  wanted you to have a different  organization set up. My folks had some lean years at that time and I had to reuse 3 ring binders. Urgh - that stunk