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Re: did I do good?
« Reply #60 on: December 29, 2006, 12:43:14 AM »
Hehee, sounds like someone is celebrating their freedom from the halo with illicit smoochies!

I resent that remark - I haven't smooched him yet! More than on the cheek. I'll get him in the end.

I'm overdue - WAY overdue - for a good session of the smoochies...mmmm, smoochie bootchies...*giggles* ;D

(note: no, I am not drunk, nor have I taken my cough medicine tonight. Yet ;) )

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Re: did I do good?
« Reply #61 on: December 29, 2006, 02:19:30 PM »
mmmm, smoochie bootchies...*giggles* ;D

I'm not sure Jay (and Silent Bob) are good role models for makin' the love.  :P

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Re: did I do good?
« Reply #62 on: December 30, 2006, 02:09:06 AM »
WARNING!!!! WARNING!!!! DANGER, WILL ROBINSON!!!!  :o

I just talked to him this evening. It appears that after another drunken night of not-so-fun "revelry" he has lived to regret another night of drinking. So consequently, he has been unceremoniously uninvited to a friend's New Year's Eve party.

I'm invited to a friend's New Year's Eve party, but I kind of don't want to go, because I forgot that the logistics involved making a long drive I don't feel quite up to yet, in the dark. So, in a bold (but not atypical) move I invited him over to my house to make an evening of it, so we could be "miserable and sick (we both still have colds) and not-drunk together." He didn't say yes, but he said it sounded like "more fun than being alone." I'm keeping the invitation open and may decide, at the last minute, if he's unwilling, to go through with my original plans at my friend's house, if I can bum a ride or something.

We wouldn't be quite alone - my mom would be skulking about in the house and she's probably not going to allow an overnight guest of the opposite sex in whom I have made clear my interest - she never allowed my brother, who is younger than me (but now married and out of the house), so I doubt she'd bend the rules even a millimeter for me. Unless I suggest that he can camp out on the couch for the night. Which would hurt and ache and make me burn for him and make it feel totally unfair because I'd be all wrapped up in my electric blanket, and he'd be shivering on the couch. But it might be a small price to pay in order to keep some peace between me and my mother, which has been a little scarce of late.

Anyway, I suggested he come over and we could just hang out and watch the ball drop and celebrate with some (nonalcoholic) cider at midnight.

But in the interim I came up with a more elaborate, fun plan to be not-drunk and still miserably sick together instead of apart: an evening of pizza, movies (we're both Star Wars junkies and I've yet to meet an intelligent soul who'd say "no" to Donnie Darko!), popcorn, sodas (no beer - he made me promise - although I've got 4 Fat Tires sitting in the fridge calling out to me!!), pause the movie shortly before midnight, switch over to whatever channel hosts the Ball Drop, celebrate with cider, send him home after a couple more hours or let him crash out on the couch (the more fair course seems to let him crash, but I've yet to work out that small detail with my mom - argh, living with parents post-adulthood is such a minefield!!).

Sooooo...too obvious? Should I let this one go and let us spend our separate selves getting not-drunk and being alone on NYE, watching the ball drop in our respective homes and calling each other to wish each other a great 2007? Or should I spend it watching a favorite flick or two with a good (but relatively new) friend, enjoying some junk food before I kick myself in the rear and get my diet on, and maybe, just maybe, getting a nice little smooch at midnight?

The possibility is tantalizing. WAY tantalizing. I've agreed to keep it sober, so nothing untoward would happen. But I think I'd be lying to myself if I said I didn't want that midnight kiss....actually, I don't THINK, I KNOW I'd be lying to myself. Either way...I'm not sure whether I should call him back tomorrow or punk out on the idea....
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Re: did I do good?
« Reply #63 on: December 30, 2006, 03:31:02 AM »
mmmm, smoochie bootchies...*giggles* ;D

I'm not sure Jay (and Silent Bob) are good role models for makin' the love.  :P

What are you talkin' about? Jay gets all the "b****es," girl! Don't you hear him brag about it every movie? :P

Anyway, I thought it was "Snootchie Bootchies" - I just changed it around to suit my particular, erm, situation!

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Re: did I do good?
« Reply #64 on: December 30, 2006, 06:31:31 AM »
I just talked to him this evening. It appears that after another drunken night of not-so-fun "revelry" he has lived to regret another night of drinking. So consequently, he has been unceremoniously uninvited to a friend's New Year's Eve party.

Gracious, what did he do? Does he have a problem with drink?

I'm not sure whether I should call him back tomorrow or punk out on the idea....

You've offered, he hasn't said "Yes, that's a great idea!" and confirmed he wants to do it. You have another invitation, so just let it ride. And really, if you've accepted an invitation to a friend's party you ought to be going to it or letting her know you won't be making it.

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Re: did I do good?
« Reply #65 on: December 30, 2006, 01:27:03 PM »
I just talked to him this evening. It appears that after another drunken night of not-so-fun "revelry" he has lived to regret another night of drinking. So consequently, he has been unceremoniously uninvited to a friend's New Year's Eve party.

Gracious, what did he do? Does he have a problem with drink?

He does and he doesn't. He drinks infrequently, but when he does, he doesn't have an "off" switch unless you trigger it for him. Last time we drank together, I had one with a water chaser (I was driving). He had three. I was paying, so I cut him off. Well, more precisely, I ended up paying, so I cut him off (he was still sober). Anyway, he and a friend apparently got themselves kicked out of a bar, his friend got thrown in the drunk tank, and he ended up at another friend's house, for some reason, and broke the window pounding on it to be let in. Friend wasn't home, and was plenty angered. I'm glad he doesn't party much out this way, because if he showed up and broke a window HERE there'd be hell to pay.

Not that that would be easy - we have double-glazed windows and I'm nearly always here, so if he showed up and pounded on my window there'd be no need to break it - I'd have it open in a trice and have him on the couch before he could say three words to me because I'd know he was drunk.

I'm not sure whether I should call him back tomorrow or punk out on the idea....

You've offered, he hasn't said "Yes, that's a great idea!" and confirmed he wants to do it. You have another invitation, so just let it ride. And really, if you've accepted an invitation to a friend's party you ought to be going to it or letting her know you won't be making it.

The invite to my other friend's was kind of a "take it or leave it" - I can show up or I can not show up. It's a very informal gathering hosted by her parents. Very, very casual (and wonderful) people. My friend would definitely not let me pass up on this opportunity because she's been cheering this one on from the beginning... ;D

So I offered again (via email), kept it very very light...I'm letting it ride, indeed. And busying myself with a gigantic load of laundry that needs to be done before 2007 rolls around....

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Re: did I do good?
« Reply #66 on: December 30, 2006, 03:12:47 PM »
Moon,

I'm sure he's a very nice guy.  But that being said, PLEASE try to look at his drinking issue with an objective eye.  Is this really something you want to have to deal with/worry about on a routine basis?

Been there, done that.  It's not always as simple as forcibly throwing the "off switch," when he can't or wont do so himself.

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Re: did I do good?
« Reply #67 on: December 30, 2006, 04:23:01 PM »
Not that that would be easy - we have double-glazed windows and I'm nearly always here, so if he showed up and pounded on my window there'd be no need to break it - I'd have it open in a trice and have him on the couch before he could say three words to me because I'd know he was drunk.

I was so delighted for you that things were going well with Paul and was willing it all to work out for you, but now I am wondering if perhaps a little caution would be a better thing to wish for you. You will do what you want to do and nothing anyone will say to you on an Internet message board will change that. However, red flags are starting to wave themselves in my mind. Your "It wouldn't be a problem if I were there" statement above makes me wonder if you could fall into the 'rescuer' role in this relationship. You have a man who, once he starts drinking can't stop and you are already looking at how you could make things work out for you in spite of this.

I hate being a negative old bat when you're in the throes of romance, but I'd rather be that than not say anything and you fall for an alcoholic. It's a painful and hopeless path and being an enabler really doesn't make anyone happy.

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Re: did I do good?
« Reply #68 on: December 30, 2006, 06:06:00 PM »
I think that being thrown out of a bar and breaking a window pounding on it to be let in to someone's house (while drunk) is a pair of "red flags" to be seriously considered before taking this relationship any further.

Think very hard - it is up to you to decide what you are willing to tolerate in keeping a relationship together - but knowing ahead of time what might be involved on your part and going in with your eyes wide open is a good idea in ANY relationship.  In a relationship with someone who doesn't cut himself off when drinking..........it is going to be more than just a "good idea".

Just my opinion - worth its weight in hot air as "advice".  Your relationship - your decision.



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Re: did I do good?
« Reply #69 on: December 30, 2006, 06:12:19 PM »
Dear Moonbunny,

You said it yourself, "DANGER, WILL ROBINSON!!!!"

I see red flags. Of course, I'm not connected to your real life in any way and only know what you tell us here, but I see red flags with a drinking problem. No matter how nice a guy he is now, do you want to be hauling him out of bars at midnight with your babies in the back seat? (I know that's a little premature, but it could happen. It has in many cases, that's why more than one of is seeing red flags.)
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Re: did I do good?
« Reply #70 on: December 30, 2006, 06:22:38 PM »
Dear Moonbunny,

You said it yourself, "DANGER, WILL ROBINSON!!!!"

I see red flags. Of course, I'm not connected to your real life in any way and only know what you tell us here, but I see red flags with a drinking problem. No matter how nice a guy he is now, do you want to be hauling him out of bars at midnight with your babies in the back seat? (I know that's a little premature, but it could happen. It has in many cases, that's why more than one of is seeing red flags.)

I hate to meddle, but I"m going to agree w/ the giant red flags.

Someone who has a problem w/ drinking only some of the time tends to still have a problem w/ drinking (google "dry drunk" for examples...)...and an inability to control his drinking once he starts can be a warning sign of a bigger problem.

It's good that you're aware going in, but it does beg the question of what role would a relationship have...that of parent/rescuer/etc. rather than appropriate partnering.

And then again, maybe I'm being meddlesome and jumping to the worst-possible conclusion...I've my reasons for seeing red flags in these things, and I"m not purely objective.

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Re: did I do good?
« Reply #71 on: December 30, 2006, 06:26:02 PM »
I will fifteenth the notion that drinking problems and breaking things while drunk are major red flags.  I grew up in such a family, and it rarely gets better, and it is not something you can control.  But it will be a pervasive and bad current in your life forever if you get really involved with this person.   And in any hypothetical childrens' lives.

Examine the relationship carefully.  Read up on alcoholism and the splatter it has onto the rest of the family.  You are undoubtedly "worth more" than life with an alcoholic will provide you.  Believe me.

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Re: did I do good?
« Reply #72 on: December 30, 2006, 08:59:48 PM »
Thank you all for your concern - I've been there, done that - been in love with an alcoholic/drug addict who has a serious, serious issue with the drinking, which was why I fell out of love with him.

He's still a friend, and a dear one, but I knew that engaging in a relationship with my other friend would be the worst possible thing for me. I love him, still (as a friend), but he doesn't love himself enough to stop. He's one of those who will not stop until he hits absolute rock-bottom - and to top it all off, he's diabetic. So that one was a bust from the beginning. I love him for who he is when he's not tanked up, but the fact that he's endangering himself in the worst way possible was an absolute deal-breaker. Plus, he lives half a continent away (Georgia).

I'm going into this one with eyes wide open. Paul has already told me more than once he knows he has a problem and he has to deal with it - and I told him I am willing to help him, but helping him does not entail bailing him out of jail, etc, when he gets landed there for some kind of alcohol-related problem. Helping him spiritually or morally, yes. Financially, legally, etc - absolutely not. I'm not about to become the "rescuer." If he wants to attend AA, fine with me, but he has to want to go. If he wants me to attend church with him - also fine. Bailing out of jail for alcohol-related behavior - not my game, so he can save his "one phone call" for someone else.

I've seen firsthand how destructive and corrosive addictive behavior is - my father is a compulsive gambler. My mother is the enabler there. I'm not about to live my life that way, and Paul knows it.

I love him dearly as my friend, but I am trying not to let myself fall - because I know that falling for him would be a dangerous game at this point. If he's willing to clean up and work to become what I know he is fully capable of, because he has great potential, I'm willing to stick by him. I don't judge him for or begrudge him that weakness because we all have them (weaknesses, that is). I do love him, and I'm concerned for him, and one of the big reasons he says he loves me (he told me this afternoon) is because I don't judge him, I'm just there for him. And I told him I would be, for as long as he needed me, but I do have my limits as to how far I will go to help a friend - because there's supporting, and then there's enabling, and enabling isn't what I want to do.

That said, I'm still crazy about him (note: that's not love, it's total infatuation - and I recognize that!). But if, in the course of our friendship, he doesn't start taking steps to do what he knows he has to do, then - there are other fish in the sea. I will and I do tread fearlessly into dangerous waters, because I do what I have to do to protect myself (and in this case, my heart).

I know he's not the only man alive; for now, I'm not keeping my distance because there is so much there beneath the surface of him - but he knows what he needs to do and this latest episode is further proof that he knows it - he's just, for some reason (possibly fear) unwilling to take the dive. But I've promised him that I will help him within my limits. He knows what those limits are. I know what my limits are.

Believe me when I say I am taking this one step by step and very carefully, at that. I've lain awake many nights thinking through every move with him. If he doesn't want to change, he doesn't have to; I also don't have to be attracted to someone who knows he needs to better himself and doesn't (see above re: my other friend). He does, however (unlike my other friend) take precautions: doesn't drive if he's going to be drinking, etc. So he's smart in his approach, he just needs to work on the issue of the "off" switch - as in developing one. I was like him, once, so I know what it's like, but I'm fortunately not an addictive personality and it wore off well before I was 25 - I like having control of myself too much.

We'll see what happens. He's constantly saying he could learn a lot from me - about strength in adversity, about attitude, about a multitude of things - and that he loves those things about me. That I have a "beautiful soul" - what that translates to, I don't know. But he sees it, and knows it, and I know he wonders if I think he is worthy of me. He's got a little work to do on that score, and I let him know that, in small, subtle ways. I flirt with him shamelessly. But then again, flirting comes naturally to me. *shrugs* He hasn't seen me behave that much differently with other males in my sphere - maybe a bit more toned-down because I don't know those people as well (his friend, waiters in restaurants, the barista in Starbucks) - but I am a natural-born and incurable flirt.

I know he has great potential - the trick is getting him to see that potential on his own, and that means work. Work on himself, first of all. If he wants help, he can always ask me; but again, he knows where the buoy markers end, the shore drops off to sea floor, and beyond those buoys, he's on his own, so he'd better bring a life jacket. That life jacket will not, unfortunately, be shaped like me.

Don't y'all worry about me. I do love him, but I'm not putting rose-tinted glasses on about this one. I've given my heart once too often to people who are unworthy of me. I haven't given my heart to him yet - I came close until I heard about the other night.

OTOH, there's a very visceral physical attraction to him that I'm trying not to give in to TOO far. Part of it is that I miss the physical aspects of a relationship very much, and we're constantly touching, touching, touching - nothing inappropriate so far, he's never been anything less than a perfect gentleman and I've been sitting on my hands to keep myself from going beyond the bounds. It's crazy - I'm a cactus 99.99999999999999999% of the time; there are very few people who can even come into my sphere to so much as touch me on the arm, if they are not related to me. He's one of the few who can wade in much, much further without me giving it a second thought or putting the brakes on. Of course, he hasn't really tried to go too far, but the hand-kissing (I'm still obsessing about that! Why am I obsessing??) is, at least to me, kind of intimate. It implies a certain level of respect (I'm hung up on old-fashioned, chivalric gestures like that) toward a "lady," but in this day and age could be considered more "intimate" because he could just say it all with a hug. He doesn't stop it there. I don't want him to stop it there, and you can bet your life that if I didn't want those kisses or hugs or any of that, I'd be pulling away in the blink of an eye.

I know I'm heading straight into a stormy relationship with him if he doesn't clean up his act. If he has any respect for himself, he will. It doesn't matter so much to me how much respect he has for me - I know it's a lot, and it's flattering. What matters to me is that he finds enough respect for himself to make himself worthy of me. For some reason, I know he worries about that. :)
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Re: did I do good?
« Reply #73 on: December 31, 2006, 05:43:50 PM »
Last week, my friend Paul asked me if I wanted to get together this week and hang out or do something, just to get me out of the house. I said sure, so we set a date (Tuesday) and we ended up going to In-N-Out Burger. I hadn't actually been to In-N-Out in a while (though I live no further than 10 miles from 2 of them) and neither had he, so he was all for the idea.

On Monday, he MySpaced me and told me that "Randy and I" were going to be coming by to pick me up after work. Well...I didn't have a clue who Randy was, and I hadn't had much of a chance to talk to Paul all weekend, so it was kind of a curveball.

When I finally did get a chance to ask who Randy was, turns out Randy's an old HS friend of his who asked if he could come along because he loves In-N-Out, too, and he (Paul) felt bad saying no. Paul figured I would have no problem with this, so he said sure. I didn't have a huge problem with it - after all, we're just friends, and all we were doing was going to get a burger and hang out. But I was a tiny bit annoyed at not being at least informed ahead of time that there were going to be 3 of us, not 2.

On top of that, his friend has a little dog, an adorable miniature dachshund, that he takes everywhere with him, even to work. Which I didn't know until they were about five minutes from my house. I'm OK with small-to-medium sized dogs, so I had no real problems with this, except that: 1) my mom doesn't really like dogs, and I live with her, and 2) my infant niece and nephew were in the house at the time. I had to tell him I was fine with him bringing the dog along, but unfortunately, he'd have to leave the dog in the car. I felt really bad, because it was cold and a little rainy Tuesday night.

Later on, when Randy was outside letting the dog go (I told him it was OK to use the edge of our yard) and Paul was inside with me, checking out my new laptop, Paul apologized for Randy inviting himself along and bringing the dog with him without really checking with me at all first. He admitted that Randy was "a little weird about the dog" (I'll say!) and that he wanted to spend more time one-on-one with me (in fact, he'd really wanted to be with just me), so he'd be back next week, on his own. We had to cut our time short as it was, because Randy's dad locked himself out of their house and Randy was the only one with the key. Paul seemed really reluctant to leave - we hugged and kissed (platonically, I assure you!) for a good 5-10 minutes.

I told him it was OK, but next time to give me a little advance warning. I'm fairly flexible and laidback, but I was kind of disappointed, because I didn't get time to myself with my friend (OK, so I really like him. A lot), which I really wanted.

I'm pretty sure I didn't let the disappointment show through. Randy was a sweet guy - if a little bit weird about the dog. And I did my best not to make him feel like a third wheel. I introduced him to my parents, my brother, and my baby niece and nephew (my brother and the kids were visiting that night while my SIL was at a party with her moms' club) - even though I had barely just met him myself.  I included him in our joking and teasing, and made conversation with him and stuff (even though I forgot his name at one point - oops!).

I felt bad for the guy, and even though I really, really wanted my time alone with Paul, I figured I'd go with the spirit of the season and say, "The more, the merrier!" He was a nice guy, but I don't want this to become a pattern, either. One of my pet peeves is people who invite themselves along to things (I had a roommate in college who did this constantly, and it drove me crazy), but I don't want Paul to think I'm a total selfish witch, either.

Did I do OK, considering?



I think you did fine and I'll bet your friend thinks all the more highly of you because you were so classy about the unexpected change in plans. 
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Re: did I do good?
« Reply #74 on: January 01, 2007, 05:25:08 AM »
I think you did fine and I'll bet your friend thinks all the more highly of you because you were so classy about the unexpected change in plans. 

I know for a fact he thinks very highly of me. ;D And I plan to continue to keep his opinion of me pretty "up there" - not sky-high, but it impresses me that he's pretty willing to overlook what I think are some of my biggest faults and see past those to who I really am - he's taken a lot of time to do that, and it's a rare thing.

He's a gem. He's not perfect, but few people are. And I think that could be the basis for a really beautiful friendship - if nothing more, then that's just the way it is. But we'll see what happens. Like I said, I've got my eyes wide open on this one.