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Re: Bad holiday etiquette, offensive or freedeom of speech?
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2006, 03:43:09 PM »
I have a profoundly sick sense of humor (PROFOUNDLY) and I found that one a little strange...and I laughed heartily at "Springtime for Hitler". I'm not sure what he was driving at there, I got a chuckle out of the absurdity of it (incidentally, I loved the snowman beating carolers) but I think the timing could not have been worse...and don't tell me he was completely unaware. I'm hopelessly gentile, completely, hopelessly gentile, I've only met like three Jews in my life and I know around about when Hanukkah begins...maybe he didn't mean anything by it, but he should have used his head a little....

POD. After just now viewing it on this thread (thanks for posting it!), it reminds me a lot of the Mel Brook's type of humor about Nazi's. I agree that it does remind me a lot of his Springtime for Hitler act and his other kinds of acts that have made fun of Hitler and the Nazi's. When confronted by the PC'ism of it, Brooks said that he was showing what idiots Hitler and the Nazi's were, he certainly wasn't glorifying them in a positive light. This current 'art display' reminds me a lot of that. To me it's just strange and stupid to be offensive. But in our overly-PC world, people will cry about anything.

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Re: Bad holiday etiquette, offensive or freedeom of speech?
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2006, 04:50:43 PM »
Kingsrings and Auntie Venom, I agree completely that this is the same dark type of humor in "Springtime for Hitler" and other Mel Brooks goodies. I typically love that kind of thing. "To Be or Not To Be" had me rolling on the floor.

My big points of contention (for total rudeness) are that this is a) public, and b) timed (accidentally or not) to co-inside with Hannukah.

Would you feel comfortable telling a local Rabbi, a Jewish co-worker (not a dear friend) or Jewish teacher at your/your kids school: "Boy, I though those Nazi gingerbread men were funny. I don't know why anyone got upset because they went up the day before Hannukah, in a public place."  Consider, would the way and time the display was done seem so funny then, or would you feel you had to do some quick explaining about your sense of humor and what you thought the thing meant, before you were taken as a racist?

If the holiday spirit is about everyone, why do this? This is art- let it be appreciated by those who will enjoy it and ignored by everyone else. Don't put it out on a street where everyone has to see, especially since the details wouldn't be evident from a distance.
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Re: Bad holiday etiquette, offensive or freedeom of speech?
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2006, 05:54:24 PM »
Ladiedeathe...I agree that the timing was poor. As I said, I think it was absurd and really not one hundred percent appropriate for a storefront. But I also think that people who pull these stunts thrive on attention, ignore them and you take away their power to offend.
My view might be quite a bit different was I Jewish, I do admit....
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Re: Bad holiday etiquette, offensive or freedeom of speech?
« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2006, 12:24:48 PM »
Maybe for Kwaanza he can the the g'bread guys dress as the KKK?

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Re: Bad holiday etiquette, offensive or freedeom of speech?
« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2006, 12:39:22 PM »
"The Inquisition, what a show, the Inquistition I bet you wish we would go..." best Mel Brooks moment in song ever...loved it!

Cue the Coke splatter on my monitor! 

I realize the topic itself is not funny, and I agree that the display was in poor taste.  Especially in light of the thread regarding behavior at the Holocaust museum.  Kids who see this display won't be scarred, but they won't know what's wrong with it either. 

Freedom of speech also means people can speak out and tell this guy what a crackpot they think he is.  Although, I agree with Auntie Venom.... stop paying attention and he'll stop doing it. 

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Re: Bad holiday etiquette, offensive or freedeom of speech?
« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2006, 03:08:37 PM »
I love dark humor, and I see the humorous elements in the display.  However, the displayer is at the least an insensitive clod not only for putting it up in a public place, but for doing so right before Chanukah too.   I wouldn't be surprised if he loses business and respect in the community for it, and rightly so. 

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Re: Bad holiday etiquette, offensive or freedeom of speech?
« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2006, 03:26:43 PM »
I love dark humor, and I see the humorous elements in the display.  However, the displayer is at the least an insensitive clod not only for putting it up in a public place, but for doing so right before Chanukah too.   I wouldn't be surprised if he loses business and respect in the community for it, and rightly so. 

According to the article, the "artist" had set up the display in an empty storefront after he was forced to remove it from the hardware store  window.  Since this storefront is owned by someone else, his business may not be affected.  However, I feel sorry for the other businesses in the area because they probably do not want this type of publicity.