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Cliquish (or worse) neighbor kids
« on: July 23, 2009, 12:18:33 AM »
We live in a neighborhood that is in transition. The houses were a subdivision built in the early nineteen-fifties to accommodate the baby boom families. The houses are not the highest-quality stuff, and the houses are all about 16 ft apart, but this has always been a fairly nice neighborhood to live in.

In the past couple of years the houses on our block are starting to develop a little pocket of gentrification. I'm not sure if families like this tend to be transient or what, but a lot of them have been moving in and out of houses nearby in the past year or two.

There are a lot of people involved in this situation, and I don't know everyone's names, so I will be arbitrarily making up abbreviations for people. Here is a little map of the homes being discussed:

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|A| |B| |C| |D| |E|


I live in house C. The new neighbors I discuss below are A and E. House B contains a couple who bought the house when it was constructed. Neighbor in house D just moved in a few days ago.

At this time, houses two doors down from us on each side (houses A and E) have families occupying them where the mothers in the two homes are sisters.  I will refer to them as A and E. I will refer to their kids collectively as 'the cousins'.

At first, one of the little girls, H, who is about the age of my daughters would play with my girls. During this time period I did not mind if the cousins from the two households played in our yard and with our things because they were all being fairly friendly to us.

Not long after this it began to become clear that the cousins had never been taught to respect other people's property (I forget the exact incident, but something of ours got broken). They also began making comments about our family being dirty and stinky. At first I thought this had to do with my admittedly poor housekeeping skills, but later it became clear this was not the case.

One day, my daughter proudly proclaimed to her new friend H that she had worked hard and earned herself $17 dollars (again, I forget what she was saving up for, but it was something specific). Suddenly each of the cousins had some hardship going on for which they each needed to "borrow" a dollar or two and all of her money was gone. When she told me about it she said they had promised to pay her back but I had to let her into the hard truth that the cousins had used her. She cried about it but she has hopefully taken the lesson away from this incident that she should not let people steamroller her.

My husband told me to go and say something to A and E but I just didn't have the right vibe about it and decided not to do so.  Immediately after this the cousins began making racial comments. The neighbors in house B had their granddaughter visiting (a person my daughter considers her best friend). Neighbors B and we in C are all, we'll say, blue-polka-dotted, while the cousins are all green-polka-dotted. They will say things like, "Whoo, got too close to their fence, now I need a shower." Or, when walking by B or C property, exaggeratedly hold their noses, and fan their hands in front of their mouths while huffing. Now, B is an immaculately-kept household, so the remarks have become obviously racial at this point and don't have much to do with my actual housekeeping skills.

This Monday a woman who is a single mother moved into the house next door ('D') and realized her daughter was also related to the cousins in these neighboring houses (on the girl's father's side).  E came and explained to D that they are very family-loyal, they WILL take sides, and that if their kids have a problem, "then we have a problem, too." D's little girl 'K' is just as sweet as can be and has become fast friends with my daughter and B's granddaughter, who is again visiting. Today the cousins came traipsing onto our property and went to confront the kids in the backyard. I noticed them coming through because they were making their loud, exaggerated proclamations of how much our property stinks when I popped my head out (without really processing who was saying what) and called out, "Hey, what's going on?" (We have some feral cats in the neighborhood who will sometimes leave a mess in the yard, so I thought someone was protesting of an actual smell. Whenever I find out about such a mess I take care of it right away, that's why I wanted to get to the bottom of any smell.)

The cousins then proceeded to inform them that H had heard them say her name, and K should be loyal to them because they are her cousins, and who do they think they are talking about H. I really had no idea what to do (I honestly did not have any friends as a kid because I was the kid everyone picked on in just this manner and I was never given a good solution way back then). Then my daughter said, "Mom, can you get them to stop yelling at us?" So I asked them what the deal was. They told me one of them had heard H's name uttered. I told them someone saying a name didn't really mean anything, anyone can say anyone's name at any time. How did they know they weren't just going, hey do you know H? Oh, yes, I know H, too!

They apparently decided their bullying would not work with me in the picture, so they vacated my property, all the while holding their noses and exclaiming how they all needed baths now. (There has been some anti-green-polka-dotted-people comments by my girls in recent past but I think since K is also green-polka-dotted it has relieved some or all of that problem.)

At this point I really don't want these kids on my property or speaking to my kids anymore. I have no clue what is acceptable for me to say or do about it when something like this arises. I also don't feel I can say anything to the mothers since we are apparently already sorted in the mothers' minds as some people to take sides against. Would it have been acceptable for me to tell the kids when I first noticed them in my patio to turn around and leave? What should I do when another situation arises?

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Re: Cliquish (or worse) neighbor kids
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2009, 12:30:15 AM »
Ask them to leave.  Your property, your rules.  There is no reason your DD or her guests should be subject to these girls on your property.  You might find the book Queen Bees and Wannabes interesting.

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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2009, 12:44:08 AM »
My father told the bigots across the street they were never to step foot on our property again and if they did the cops would be called. They never stepped foot on our property again. This was after I caught their son beating up a younger friend for being Jewish. Dad was livid that her parents didn't press charges for the beating (she was maybe 5 he was 10 - 12 at the time.)  In the interest of full disclosure Dad was taking me target shooting the next day they did see the gun. (They came over to complain I had forcibly removed him from my friend and our property)

You might want to talk to the Mom in home D since her daughter is related to the family - she might have good advice for dealing with the bigots.

In the mean time it might be a good idea to explain to your daughter that these kids are infected with hate, and that they are not representative of their race. Also that you daughter and her friends don't want to be infected by returning the hate.

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Re: Cliquish (or worse) neighbor kids
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2009, 12:56:26 AM »
I have just been informed by my hubby that this is a continuation of a situation from yesterday.  H came up to him while he was working on the van and said, "Why y'all got to be talking about me?" He told her for the time being to get off our property if she was just there to pick a fight. Later when he was more available he asked her what was going on and she said B's grandddaughter and my DD where whispering about her. Hubby told DD to apologize, and she said they were only whispering gibberish to provoke her. He told her that was even worse but she did not apologize sincerely.

Apparently this is situation is coming from both sides. We are really concerned about physical violence from these bullies if my daughter continues to provoke them. I reacted to bullying by being excessively kind and forgiving to my bullies. This is a different ball of wax.

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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2009, 03:14:40 AM »
What a (potential) nightmare.  You have every right to ban whomever you wish from your property.

My vote is for ignoring.  

I'd tell my DD that she is not to talk to, or about, the cousins.  If they speak to her she is to move away and go to another location - whether it be a different part of the yard or come inside.  Perhaps say 'can't talk/play now, bye for now' as she moves away if you think totally ignoring them will set them off even more.  

This has the potential to get very nasty if it's not nipped in the bud.

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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2009, 05:44:54 AM »
I'd be mortified if my kids were behaving this way - are the parents actually even aware of it? 

Now, you could argue they have to get these ideas from somewhere or that the parents couldn't fail to notice the horrible behaviour, but it doesn't sound like they have. 

This is racism and it should not be brushed under the carpet.  So I would try and speak to which ever parent  you feel closest to and say you have had problems with the kids. 

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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2009, 06:51:50 AM »
I've got a, "button pushing" son, learned from my husband, who would never think of doing it to me, but lives to provoke his sisters somedays (no, not mature, but the way it is. He's come a long way and so have they) and my son is learning the hard way by way of lost friendships, that button pushing gets you no where. Talk to your daughter. That's a situation you can control. Dis-invite the neighbors. We had a neighbor who called my two adopted boys horrible names. They are hispanic. It was the mother too. I told her if she uttered one more racial slur at my children, I would sue her for harrassment. This was after years of trying to work it out. Finally, we moved. Now we're living in a mixed neighborhood where people accept one another and it's much nicer. I'm not saying to move, just that there is no excuse for racism and it should NEVER be tolerated in your home.
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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2009, 07:04:06 AM »
The first thing to do is tell your daughter to stop provoking them.

Tell them that they are not allowed on you property.

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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2009, 07:21:59 AM »
Actually, I would go to their homes, tell their parents what their kids have been up to and tell them that their children aren't welcome on your property. Of course, you may have to reinforce this with the kids too.

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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2009, 08:42:35 AM »
Some advice - Do NOT punish/reprimand you DD and her friends in front of the bullies. By all means let them have it in private. If you punish/reprimand them in front of the bullies, you will be flooded with complaints about your DD and friends. The Bullies will power trip of getting them in trouble.

I would explain to your daughter that when she and her friends use the bullies tactics - they bullies win because she has sunk to their level. Teacher her some E-hell responses.

Again I would talk to the new mom for insight about these cousins of her little girl.

When we were growing up we lived around the corner from my Dad's 1st cousin, his DW and their two boys. After a while neighbors noticed that they and their kids were not allowed in cousin's home. They asked my parents what they had done wrong - assuming they had insulted cousins somehow. Dad just told them that cousin was always uptight and that he and his wife were extremely strict*. That he suspected the boys were avoiding taking friends home because it was uncomfortable to have friends over. Sis and
I were allowed in - but we always got the boys to come to our house.


So the neighbors kept allowing the boys into their homes and yards. That gave them some place to actually play.

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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2009, 12:23:00 PM »
One day, my daughter proudly proclaimed to her new friend H that she had worked hard and earned herself $17 dollars (again, I forget what she was saving up for, but it was something specific). Suddenly each of the cousins had some hardship going on for which they each needed to "borrow" a dollar or two and all of her money was gone. When she told me about it she said they had promised to pay her back but I had to let her into the hard truth that the cousins had used her. She cried about it but she has hopefully taken the lesson away from this incident that she should not let people steamroller her.

Did you ever help her get her money back?  Maybe when H and the others come around, ask them loudly whether they have the money they owe your daughter, and ask them not to come back until they have it.