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I don't want to spend any time with her. *Update, #19*
« on: July 27, 2009, 05:54:31 PM »
DH and I are attending an out of town event in October. We are travelling with and staying in the same hotel as two other couples with whom we are friends. We got the tickets for the event through one of these couples (Jerry and Abby), and the six of us will all be seated together at the event. The event spans three days and the other two ladies and I decided that we wanted to spend one of those days not at the event, so we did not get tickets for that day and we will be shopping and sightseeing while our husbands sit in the hot sun for the third day in a row.  ;)

Today, I got a voicemail from another acquaintance of ours, Pearl. Pearl and her husband Dave are members of the same organization as me and DH and the other couple, Jay and Pat. We are not friends with Pearl and Dave. We find them both to be extremely unpleasant to be around. Of the other two couples, only Jay and Pat know Pearl and Dave, and they feel the same way about them.

Pearl's voicemail was to ask me how to get a hold of Jerry and Abby so that she and Dave could get tickets and sit with all of us. She also wanted to "schedule some girl time" with me and the other ladies on the trip. She also said that she and Dave would like to "do stuff together" with the six of us. The event is only during the day, so I'm assuming she means during the evenings.

Jerry and Abby's tickets to the event are all gone, so that takes care of that part. They may be able to get tickets on their own, but I know she will call to ask where we are seated. Is it rude not to tell her? And if it's not, how can I say it in a way that won't be rude?

Secondly, do we (the ladies) now have to include her on our day out? I know this may make me sound petty, but I really don't want to. She is obnoxious, rude, negative and intrusive. I know she would ruin the day for me, and I suspect it would at least make it very unpleasant for the other two.

I know that so far the original six of us do not have any plans for any of our evenings yet. I feel I can sidestep that question pretty easily, just by telling her that we usually don't make those kind of plans until we get there (DH and I have attended this event twice before, and this is usually how it works). But once we're there, I feel like it would be rude to exclude them and I know that they will seek us out. Well, Pearl will seek us out. Is there any way for us to avoid them without being rude?

We had heard that they were thinking about attending, and we had hoped to just lay low and not tell them we were going. I'm not sure how Pearl found out, but I have to call her back now.

Am I just being very petty and silly and need to suck it up?
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Re: I don't want to spend any time with her.
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2009, 06:08:57 PM »
This is tricky. It's not rude to avoid the company of annoying people. But I can't think of a polite way to express that to Pearl. What if you just didn't return her call? Or if you called her (especially if you can time it to when you're pretty sure she'll be gone, and you can leave voice mail) and said something very vague like "Sorry, Pearl, Jerry and Abby don't have any more tickets, and we've already made plans with some friends."
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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2009, 06:10:07 PM »
"I'm sorry, we have plans for that time already. I hope you enjoy your trip."

Call her when you're sure of getting her voice mail, or something. Or e-mail her, if you have that info, and say, "Just got your voice mail; I don't want to give out other people's contact info, sorry. I don't know where we're sitting, and we're completely booked for the whole trip, so we won't be able to get together." And ignore subsequent e-mails.


If she doesn't know Jerry well enough to contact him herself, why does she think he's going to get her tickets? So, say: "I'm sorry, I don't feel comfortable giving out other people's contact info. If Jerry and Abby wanted you to have their contact info, they would have given it to you."

If she calls to ask where you're seated, every one of you should say, "I'm sorry, I don't remember--G section? I don't have the tickets here, so I could be wrong, but that sounds right. Listen, I can't talk; I'm late, so I've got to go. Goodbye." Click. (and of course, you will be sitting in B or something.)

And absolute you MUST NOT include her in your day out. You have a previous plan; you have promised one another a girls trip, which means THESE girls.

Even if this was someone you LIKED, and were sure your friends would like ,you absolutely would be wrong to include her without consensus for the group. So, be sure to call the rest of the group, confirm, and make a pact that you will all say--to ANYONE--"I'm sorry, I promised my friends that it would be just us."

Avoid the phone call at all costs, of course. Caller ID is your friend, as is call-screening using an answering machine.

Oh, wait--I see that you have a long time; she will probably get ahold of you.

You may need to say, "Pearl, I'm sure you'd enjoy that, but honestly, I have to ask you not to. We've promised this trip as a time for just us, and it would be rude to everyone else to include someone else, no matter who they are."

And get everyone else in on the spiel.

And call your hotel; ask them not to tell people you are registered there. (if you can switch to a less-obvious hotel, that might be a bonus, but WHAT a bummer)

You aren't petty. You are entitled not to like people.

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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2009, 11:04:17 PM »
This is a tricky situation. It's pretty rude for a couple to just invite themselves along like this.

As PPs have said, I'd be deliberately vague, and try to dodge her questions if possible. If Pearl asks to join you on the Girls Day Out, tell her "Oh I'm not sure what's happening, or what we'll be doing."

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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2009, 11:18:16 PM »
"I'm sorry, we have plans for that time already. I hope you enjoy your trip."

I think this is great--much, much better than being vague.  Being vague lets her worm her way in--and it's actually kind of unfair, because it gives her false hope for hanging out with you.  If you're firm upfront, she knows to go ahead and make her own plans.  Leading her on, even in an attempt to be kind, isn't that kind.

A simple "We've already made our plans, sorry, but we hope you have a great time!" is all you need to say. 

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« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2009, 11:29:33 PM »
Asking to be included like this is really rude and off-putting in my opinion because it puts the person being asked on the spot.

What Pearl should have done is asked them if they had plans, or invited the OP and her friends to sit with her.

By turning Pearl and her husband down, the OP and her friends are doing them a favour. Maybe they'll stop putting people off with this rude behaviour if it doesn't get any results.
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Re: I don't want to spend any time with her.
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2009, 05:14:27 AM »
I think this is a "I'm sorry, that won't be possible" followed by a heaping helping of bean dip.

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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2009, 07:18:52 AM »
Assuming they can get tickets through another resource, can you arrange a brief outing with them early on, such as breakfast or lunch?

I am guessing the reason you are not simply cutting this couple dead is because you have mutual ties that would make this awkward in the long run. Throwing them a bone would a) keep hurt feelings at bay - they won't be able to claim you snubbed them, b) allow the other couple in your party to get a taste of their "charms", thereby getting them on board with avoiding them at other times.

Doing this early in the day would give you an easy out as well - you'd love to stay longer and visit, but you must do [errand] before the event start. See y'all later.
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« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2009, 08:02:19 AM »
"I'm sorry, we have plans for that time already. I hope you enjoy your trip."

I think this is great--much, much better than being vague.  Being vague lets her worm her way in--and it's actually kind of unfair, because it gives her false hope for hanging out with you.  If you're firm upfront, she knows to go ahead and make her own plans.  Leading her on, even in an attempt to be kind, isn't that kind.

A simple "We've already made our plans, sorry, but we hope you have a great time!" is all you need to say. 
absolutely. if you leave it open ended, she won't leave you alone.
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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2009, 10:44:23 AM »
I think it's okay (and maybe even preferable) to be vague about why you won't be spending time with her. But you do want to make it perfectly clear that you will not be spending time with her.
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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2009, 10:56:30 AM »
I think it's okay (and maybe even preferable) to be vague about why you won't be spending time with her. But you do want to make it perfectly clear that you will not be spending time with her.

Yes for sure, I just meant be clear about the "We can't spend time with you" part, not necessarily the "because I hate you" part  :) 

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« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2009, 11:06:57 AM »
I'd ignore the call but warn the others that she may call, and talk with the others to make sure you're all on the same page regarding her.  Otherwise if she somehow calls someone else and says "Oh the others say they'd love to meet up with us!", you may find yourself meeting up with her.

If she calls you again, email her or leave her voicemail saying that you're sorry but there are no more tickets available from your friends and you already have plans for your free time, but you hope she has fun.  That should get the message across.

I don't think there would be any point in telling her exactly why you don't like spending time with her, because in my experience people will deny, deny, deny any of their behaviors.  In a perfect world she'd blink and look at you and say "Oh my gosh I have been so rude!"  and then change.  But we don't live in the first Matrix. :P

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« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2009, 11:18:08 AM »
Jerry and Abby's tickets to the event are all gone, so that takes care of that part. They may be able to get tickets on their own, but I know she will call to ask where we are seated. Is it rude not to tell her? And if it's not, how can I say it in a way that won't be rude?  I assume seats are assigned, so her and Dave will be by themselves at the event - thankfully.  You can tell her, "our seats are in suchandsuch section" and leave it at that.  You don't need to be specific.

Secondly, do we (the ladies) now have to include her on our day out? I know this may make me sound petty, but I really don't want to. She is obnoxious, rude, negative and intrusive. I know she would ruin the day for me, and I suspect it would at least make it very unpleasant for the other two.  I say all the ladies take a vote on this one and respond to Pearl as a group.  If everyone thinks the way you do, I see it as a done deal that she not be included.


The thing is, you do not have to feel obligated in being the spokesperson for the group nor having this negative person to be with your group.  It sounds like you three are lovely ladies and are looking forward to a good time.  This Negative Nelly would spoil it.   
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« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2009, 11:28:53 AM »
I'd ignore the call but warn the others that she may call, and talk with the others to make sure you're all on the same page regarding her.  Otherwise if she somehow calls someone else and says "Oh the others say they'd love to meet up with us!", you may find yourself meeting up with her.

Good point.
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« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2009, 11:35:57 AM »
Thanks everyone for your replies. I have been reading them all carefully and considering what I want to do. To answer a few questions that came up:

Amy, you're right, I don't want to lie to her. I have been trying to find a kind but honest way to deal with this.

And yes, the reason we have not just "cut ties" with them is because of mutual friends and acquaintances. The organization we are a part of is very small and used to be close-knit. It wasn't really necessary to cut ties with them before because we only saw them once a month (if that), and I was able to make small talk with Pearl for a minute and then move on to socialize with someone else, as did she. She didn't feel excluded, and I felt I could tolerate that level of interaction. Dave was not a problem for DH in these situations because he really only talks to one or two other members while at a meeting (and he never talks to any of the women).

I got a call from Pat yesterday too. Pearl called her as well. Pat ignored it, but Pearl left essentially the same message. Pat called me to warn me and told me that neither she nor Jay wanted to spend time with them either. So, taking in all the PP's advice on the group concensus, I cannot include her on our day outing against the wishes of Pat. So, I plan to tell her that I already have plans for all three days. Pearl does not know that the three of us already have a day of shopping and sight seeting planned. Hopefully, they won't be able to get seats near us at the event, so she won't know that we're all gone that day.  :-\

As for the tickets, I found out last night that we don't have them yet. They are in the mail, so I can honestly tell her that I have no idea where we are sitting. I will not give her Jerry's contact information, but I will tell her he is out of tickets and I will give her the number of the vendor so they can purchase their own.

Assuming they can get tickets through another resource, can you arrange a brief outing with them early on, such as breakfast or lunch?

I am guessing the reason you are not simply cutting this couple dead is because you have mutual ties that would make this awkward in the long run. Throwing them a bone would a) keep hurt feelings at bay - they won't be able to claim you snubbed them, b) allow the other couple in your party to get a taste of their "charms", thereby getting them on board with avoiding them at other times.

I wondered, too, if you might be able to get together with Pearl and Dave for just one meal, just to keep the peace.  The trouble is, that meal would open the door to all kinds of awkward questions, like "What are you guys doing later?" and "Why don't we get together tonight?"  I'd either not get together with them at all, or perhaps schedule something with them near the end of the event.   

I think maybe we could schedule something with them near the end of the event. I will bring it up to DH and see if he will talk it over with Jay and Jerry. I'm pretty sure that both Abby and Pat would be willing to concede a breakfast in order to keep the peace and enjoy the rest of the event.

After last night's conversation with DH, it looks like this October may be the last time I have to interact with Pearl and Dave at all. DH is thinking that it would be best for us to withdraw completely from club membership. Since that is the only way we know Pearl and Dave, we would not be getting together with them at all.

I'd ignore the call but warn the others that she may call, and talk with the others to make sure you're all on the same page regarding her.  Otherwise if she somehow calls someone else and says "Oh the others say they'd love to meet up with us!", you may find yourself meeting up with her.
I really don't feel I can ignore the call. The bolded part is why I feel I should respond, so that she doesn't just call people until she gets a "yes." To me, that's just as bad as leaving a vague, open-ended possibility "Oh, maybe we could get together, we'll see when we get down there..." kind of response.

I plan on calling Pearl back today. I don't know her schedule so I don't know whether I'll get her voicemail or not. But, what I plan to tell her (basically) is: "Jerry is all out of tickets, the vendor's number is -----. I have no idea where we are sitting, as we have not received our tickets yet. I already have plans for all three days of the event."

I guess we'll see how it goes. :-) Thanks for the help.
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