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Re: Most unhelpful airline attendants ever!
« Reply #60 on: December 19, 2006, 04:56:36 PM »
Platys and other posters, I think you're totally right in thinking that most people should carryon as little as possible with them when flying.  I try to check the majority of my items, unfortunately when you fly with small/smallish children you have to carry more stuff.  The average adult doesn't need to carry diapers, wipes, toys/books to entertain, a change of clothes and snack foods/bottles.  So a person flying with a child will have a larger than average carryon bag sometimes.  This being said, there are very few reasons people with children can't check everything but the diaper bag.  Dh and I have always checked everything but the bag.  We also carry a larger diaper bag, but stow it under the seat.  It's just easier that way and then we never really need to leave our seats.  The point is most people try to make things as convenient as possible, sometimes it just isn't that possible.

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Re: Most unhelpful airline attendants ever!
« Reply #61 on: December 19, 2006, 05:20:05 PM »
I certainly do feel sorry for the mother involved. Even a healthy baby can start to malfunction with astonishing speed, and perhaps (although I'm a little suspicious) she had no idea there would be a problem. However, I don't see that (1) flight safety rules should have been waived to let people gather around to clean her up during a takeoff, and (2) that the flight attendents were overly harsh in telling people to sit down. Sometimes, when you're a parent, you have to sit there with spit-up on your shirt for a while; that's life.

Yes, it would be nice if, after the takeoff was over, that the attendents broke out the towels and gave some assistance, but remember, they aren't waitresses or hostesses - their main job is safety.
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Re: Most unhelpful airline attendants ever!
« Reply #62 on: December 19, 2006, 05:41:05 PM »
That's awful. Poor Mom!

As a mother who has flown alone with an under-2-year-old (while 5 months pg), I know it can be very difficult. My ds was VERY well-behaved and quite, but it was still a juggling act, especially during layovers. Picture a out-to-here normally 95 lb woman waddling thru the Seattle airport with a backpack full of blankies, snacks and diapers on one shoulder and a small child on the other hip, trying to find the bathroom to change said child and pee and then make the connecting flight. Boy was I sore at the end of that day! I can't even imagine us both being sick thru it all!

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Re: Most unhelpful airline attendants ever!
« Reply #63 on: December 19, 2006, 07:00:59 PM »
First off, I thought that you could only carry on a specific amount of carry ons and they had to be a certain size- which is not very large.  Am I wrong on this?  Its been about 5 years since I've flown last.

Second, those of you with children- I don't know about you but I can remember at least a few times where my DS is perfectly fine, and within the span of 10 minutes gets dreadfully sick.  One time, he was spazzing around when we were out to eat being his normal self, but 5 minutes later he was laying in my lap and didn't want to move.  When we got him home, he slept for 2 hours and was sick all the next day.  Or the time I put him to bed and he was perfectly fine and 2 hours later he woke up and threw up all over me.  I swear I never saw so much barf come out of a kid.  Illnesses can come over a child rather suddenly- so no one knows for sure that this poor mother thought everything was ok.  No one knows her story, but I do feel sorry for her. 
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Re: Most unhelpful airline attendants ever!
« Reply #64 on: December 19, 2006, 07:11:56 PM »
My goodness, am I the only one who feels any sympathy for this woman?

No, you are not.

Definitely not the only one.  I'm a little aghast at some of the responses I've read in this thread, quite frankly.

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Re: Most unhelpful airline attendants ever!
« Reply #65 on: December 19, 2006, 07:12:52 PM »
"Illnesses can come over a child rather suddenly- so no one knows for sure that this poor mother thought everything was ok.  No one knows her story, but I do feel sorry for her." 

That is so true.  Sometimes small children will throw up even when they are not ill, it could be from something he ate.  I am frankly appalled at some of the callous remarks made about this poor woman's plight.  I am certain she did not wake up and book a flight with the intentions of inconveniencing other passengers.

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Re: Most unhelpful airline attendants ever!
« Reply #66 on: December 19, 2006, 09:46:16 PM »
My mother was one of those parents who had to fly with a sick child, and everybody involved with the particular airline we travelled on (Australian, Red planes, owned by rich English man) were super helpful and nice.

My little sister developed a bad case of gastro the morning of our departure.  We had travelled from one end of the state to the other to sepnd Christmas with my Mum's family, leaving my Dad at home.  We were actually on our way to the airport and had to pull over as my sister was sick everywhere.   All of our suitcases were packed, so there was no immediate  access to wet wipes or clean clothes.  We got her cleaned up at a service station (gas station) and proceeded to the airport to check in, hoping it wasn't going to happen again.  The nice lady at the check in desk took one look at my little sister, heard what happened, cancelled our tickets and reissued them for a later flight.  When we came back that night, after seeing a doctor and getting some medicine, we found we were put right at the back of the plane for easy access to the loo, in three seats together to avoid annoying our neighbours and the FA's kept coming and checking on us to see if she needed any tissues, water or food. 

I feel that once the flight had taken off, some assistance could have been offered.  But unfortunately safety does come first - why have rules and laws if we don't follow them.

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Re: Most unhelpful airline attendants ever!
« Reply #67 on: December 19, 2006, 10:26:04 PM »
They are called Flight Attendants. As in, to attend to.

I travel a lot and after 9/11 so many FAs now have the attitude that their only job is to make sure everyone is in their seats and the plane doesn't get hijacked, that sometimes I think they treat us all like terrorists.  Did you know some of them are (or at least were) rallying to take away drink service too? They don't feel it's their job to provide refreshments because their job is entirely about safety. They already took away our food on that premise. I mean really why they shouldn't just have machine guns and make us march to our seat I don't know. So it doesn't really surprise me that they didn't feel a need to help. (I still meet some excellent FA's that understand it's about making people comfortable, but they're becomming rarer).

But what about the poor mothers fellow passenger? She stood up and wouldn't sit with them, offering no help and treating them like a leper, I bet that took quite a bit of time and wasn't the mother's fault. Why has nobody addressed her causing the situation to be worse? She sounds like the worst of them all.

If the FA wanted to have the mother seated faster, she should have attended to her, not just and berated. I won't go into why the mother was on the plane and why she was late because we don't know, but I will give her the benefit of the doubt that this was not the way she intended

I've only traveled with a child once and we were prepared, but I know I've had rough traveling days where a little bit of help was more than appreciated.


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Re: Most unhelpful airline attendants ever!
« Reply #68 on: December 19, 2006, 10:38:42 PM »
One thing that also occured to me is that depending on how the mother got her tickets she may not have been able to change her tickets and if she didn't make that flight she would've had to buy entirely new tickets. More and more airlines and places that sell tickets (such as Travelocity, Orbitz, Hotwire, etc) have policies where once you buy the tickets that's it, you can't change anything about them, including any illnesses.

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Re: Most unhelpful airline attendants ever!
« Reply #69 on: December 19, 2006, 11:07:07 PM »
For an etiquette forum where supposedly people should be polite and helpful, I am shocked at the number of people that are upset with the mother for having a bad day.  What if that were you?  I don't think any of us is perfect.  Her baby was sick, I don't think that was her fault.  She didn't ask for help or at least it doesn't state she did.  One of the posts said a FA was not a hostess.  Funny their exact title used to be flight hostess.  No matter what the name, the FA should have tried to help that  mother when the plane was in the air.  There is such a thing as common decency and that is all that would have required.  Hopefully none of you that think she was a horrible person will never be put in that situation.

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Re: Most unhelpful airline attendants ever!
« Reply #70 on: December 19, 2006, 11:16:38 PM »
Some airline safety groups (not just FAs) have taken a position against serving alcoholic beverages (I've never heard of them being against passing out water and soft drinks). The reasons are obvious - there have been more than enough stories about the antics of drunken, belligerent passengers, to the point of physical violence.

Madge, no one is saying it wasn't unpleasant for the mother to be doused in the contents of her child's stomach, but it was illegal for people to stand in the aisle during takeoff. If people didn't sit down, the flight might have been delayed indefinitely. Would  a cab driver taking the family to the airport be "uncompassionate" if he refused to run red lights to get them there faster?
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Re: Most unhelpful airline attendants ever!
« Reply #71 on: December 19, 2006, 11:41:17 PM »
Twik,

I understand it is illegal, but the way I'm reading the post, she wasn't just standing because she had throw up on her, she had to wait for people to move, put her bags away and get the baby in a position to sit and probably a kajillion other things that mothers need to balance into place.

If she was holding things up because she was just standingthere taking her time, I might not have sympathy, but I'm sure she was working as hard as she could to get things to the point where she was able to sit down.

And this is when the FA should have attended to her to make things go faster not just yelled at her.

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Re: Most unhelpful airline attendants ever!
« Reply #72 on: December 19, 2006, 11:48:35 PM »
"Illnesses can come over a child rather suddenly- so no one knows for sure that this poor mother thought everything was ok.  No one knows her story, but I do feel sorry for her." 

That is so true.  Sometimes small children will throw up even when they are not ill, it could be from something he ate.  I am frankly appalled at some of the callous remarks made about this poor woman's plight.  I am certain she did not wake up and book a flight with the intentions of inconveniencing other passengers.

In my experience, this is ESPECIALLY true with vomiting.  My DS only threw up once before he was a year old - when he was an infant and some stomach thing was going around his day care.  After that, he didn't throw up again until well after 2 years old.  So, by that time, even though he was verbal, he couldn't tell me what was wrong.  He didn't remember being nauseous, and so he couldn't tell me that he was nauseous.  So, when he did throw up, it was very sudden - totally well kid one minute, barf city the next.  I've never flown with either of my kids (3.5 yrs, and 7 months) and I don't relish the thought of doing it.  Travelling with kids is hard under the best of circumstances. 

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Re: Most unhelpful airline attendants ever!
« Reply #73 on: December 20, 2006, 02:16:11 AM »
But what about the poor mothers fellow passenger? She stood up and wouldn't sit with them, offering no help and treating them like a leper, I bet that took quite a bit of time and wasn't the mother's fault. Why has nobody addressed her causing the situation to be worse? She sounds like the worst of them all.

For what it's worth, I would be very unhappy about sitting beside a vomiting person, whether it was a child or an adult. Had I been that woman, I wouldn't have been rude about it but I would have requested to move to another seat as being near someone who is vomiting/had vomited would make me ill myself. I don't agree with her actions, but I can certainly understand why she would not want to sit beside someone covered in vomit.

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Re: Most unhelpful airline attendants ever!
« Reply #74 on: December 20, 2006, 06:39:48 AM »
I'm torn here, because Mom was obviously ill-prepared to fly with her sick toddler, but even if the kid was suffering from the stomach flu or something similar, he was already sick, so he was probably already past the point of passing on his illness to other passengers. Once you're symptomatic, you're generally not contagious anymore.

But the FAs were also rude in not helping the mother to clean up a little bit and make her time on the flight a bit more comfortable once everyone was secured and up in the air. It's no more and no less than they should do for any passenger.

Fortunately I've never been subjected to this kind of treatment by an FA while travelling. On New Year's 2000/2001, though, I flew to NY from CA to be with my long-distance BF at the time, and I was in the throes of a nasty flu that had developed a couple of days before Christmas and caused me to miss more than my intended 3 days of work. The first couple of days I was so bad off that I couldn't even croak a message to my boss to call in sick - I had to have my mom call me in sick because I couldn't talk. By some miracle the seat next to mine ended up empty, but I had my bottle of leaded Robitussin (Robitussin w/codeine) with me, a regular bottle of Robitussin, a bag of cough drops, and a box of Kleenex, which I threw away into a plastic shopping bag I'd brought with me just for that purpose, once they were used. So it was clear that I was sick, but I'd already been sick for a week and a half, so I was no longer contagious.

The FAs were nothing but wonderful to me and made sure I was comfortable on the flight, but every time I coughed, the elderly lady in the window seat (with an empty seat between us) glared daggers at me, until finally she leaned over and asked me, "Are you sick?" (what, the 2 bottles of medicine, the Kleenex and the cough drops weren't evidence enough?) I replied, "Yes, but I'm actually getting over it." (I actually didn't recover for another 2 weeks but that's beside the point).

She said nastily, "Well, if you're sick, you shouldn't be flying. There's a planeload of people you're contaminating, you know, and some of us are elderly and could get sick easily."

To which I replied, "Thanks for your concern, ma'am, but I've been sick for a week and a half, so I'm probably not even contagious anymore. Besides, if you had any qualms about sitting next to a sick person, this IS Southwest, so you had your pick of seats." I was the first in line, so I'd sat in the very first row, where I'd be near a bulkhead if I needed it.

Luckily, she got off at Kansas City, MO, the midpoint of the flight, but she spent the entire time grousing about me being sick and young people who were disrespectful to elders and so on and so forth, to the point where I wanted to give her one gigantic dose of leaded Robitussin so she would pass out and SHUT UP, but that leaded Robitussin was like gold to me, so I didn't (although I had another bottle stowed in my checked luggage). I couldn't help that I'd gotten sick just before my trip. Part of my trip was nonrefundable and I wasn't about to lose that money (because I couldn't afford to lay out more cash on another flight), and anyway I wasn't contagious anymore - once you're visibly sick, and you've been so for more than a week, there's no way you're contagious. When she got off the plane I made sure to give her a sweet smile and wish her a happy new year, but what I really wanted to do was cough on her for being so rude to me. For the whole 3-4 hours from CA to Kansas City. She just glared at me and stalked off the plane.

That was the last year I forgot to get my flu shot, although that hasn't always stopped me from being sick. Anyway, my whole point is, I wouldn't make assumptions about the mom - maybe her flight was nonrefundable and she didn't want to lose money on the trip and have to spend more money to take another flight.  The OP's point was that the FAs were rude and unhelpful, and were I in that mom's position, I certainly would have reported the flight crew's unhelpful attitude. Sure, FAs are there to make sure FAA regulations are observed but the mom wasn't acting entitled - she was acting like a harried parent with a sick child. Illness doesn't choose convenient times to strike, and sometimes there's not a lot you can do, money or timing-wise, to juggle plans around, especially with air travel. People have jobs and lives to get back to, or sometimes can't afford to lose money on a nonrefundable ticket, or just can't change plans for whatever reason. One sick person on a plane is not an etiquette violation and is not the end of the world, unless that one sick person has radiation poisoning or something to that effect. Being a rude, unhelpful and unaccomodating airline employee, when part of your job is to ensure the comfort of your passengers, IS a violation, not only of etiquette but of your job responsibilities. I've never had a FA treat me with anything less than the utmost courtesy and attentiveness, so behavior like that would most definitely catch my attention and would cause me to think twice about giving my custom to that airline again, because the next person they could be that rude to could be me.