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Re: Household help request
« Reply #45 on: September 22, 2016, 03:04:31 PM »
This should be in the Stupid Questions thread, but: if the stuff she used sticks like that, and made the bathwater that blue, is your loo a deep shade of blue the whole time?
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Re: Household help request
« Reply #46 on: September 22, 2016, 03:16:44 PM »
This should be in the Stupid Questions thread, but: if the stuff she used sticks like that, and made the bathwater that blue, is your loo a deep shade of blue the whole time?

If you use it properly, no. You flush, squirt the stuff and let it sit for a while. Then you come back with a brush and scrub it a bit, then flush again. That should rinse almost all of it out. So this cleaner first used a product for cleaning things that it wasn't intended to clean, then failed to rinse it well, which is part of the "proper use" of the product.
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Re: Household help request
« Reply #47 on: September 22, 2016, 03:22:20 PM »
This should be in the Stupid Questions thread, but: if the stuff she used sticks like that, and made the bathwater that blue, is your loo a deep shade of blue the whole time?

If you use it properly, no. You flush, squirt the stuff and let it sit for a while. Then you come back with a brush and scrub it a bit, then flush again. That should rinse almost all of it out. So this cleaner first used a product for cleaning things that it wasn't intended to clean, then failed to rinse it well, which is part of the "proper use" of the product.

Also, even if it *is* sticking to the bowl of the toilet, that's not a place where people usually put their hands (or other exposed skin)

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Re: Household help request
« Reply #48 on: September 22, 2016, 03:48:34 PM »
This should be in the Stupid Questions thread, but: if the stuff she used sticks like that, and made the bathwater that blue, is your loo a deep shade of blue the whole time?

If you use it properly, no. You flush, squirt the stuff and let it sit for a while. Then you come back with a brush and scrub it a bit, then flush again. That should rinse almost all of it out. So this cleaner first used a product for cleaning things that it wasn't intended to clean, then failed to rinse it well, which is part of the "proper use" of the product.

Ah, got it.  I'm just so used to toilet cleaners that don't really stick, and don't remove limescale that the thought of one that really works is quite exotic!  I use the formic acid cleaner when I can't stand seeing the limescale any longer [usually takes a couple of years for it to build up, and is only on the bit around the bend that you can just see/can't brush very easily], but that's a liquid that needs to be left overnight.

Thanks for the explanation.
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Re: Household help request
« Reply #49 on: September 23, 2016, 05:52:24 PM »
atirial -- it's unclear in your last update whether or not you explicitly told the agency what the problem was. They do have to know that what their agent did was a health hazard.
To clarify, they were told outright, and again in writing, when I cancelled the appointments. They were very keen in their reply to stress that their cleaners were "independent agents" and they could not be held accountable.  I am really not impressed. (After a week of getting daily reminders to leave a Yelp review, they are also suddenly less keen for me to do that...)

And no, we wouldn't ask her back after some of the other things that surfaced when we were clearing up.

Thanks for the clarification, atirial.

The bold above makes it even more important that you do leave a review on Yelp or even on their own web-page (which will probably be deleted :-\)

Posting photos of the blue tub along with explaining exactly what you've told us here is not rude. In your review, I would even include their response.


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Re: Household help request
« Reply #50 on: September 23, 2016, 07:29:44 PM »
Since you have the "independent" cleaner's information, have you contacted her directly?
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Re: Household help request
« Reply #51 on: September 27, 2016, 10:42:49 AM »
Since you have the "independent" cleaner's information, have you contacted her directly?
I didn't because I wasn't supposed to have her number, and all contact was supposed to go through the agency (and because I'd rather she didn't try to fix it). I should have, because she turned up this morning. The agency had not told her I had cancelled with them last week.

The yelp review will be scathing. 

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« Reply #52 on: September 27, 2016, 11:16:19 AM »
And of course you'll be posting a link to it here, yes?  Enquiring minds will want to read it. >:D

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Re: Household help request
« Reply #53 on: September 27, 2016, 12:01:17 PM »
This should be in the Stupid Questions thread, but: if the stuff she used sticks like that, and made the bathwater that blue, is your loo a deep shade of blue the whole time?

If you use it properly, no. You flush, squirt the stuff and let it sit for a while. Then you come back with a brush and scrub it a bit, then flush again. That should rinse almost all of it out. So this cleaner first used a product for cleaning things that it wasn't intended to clean, then failed to rinse it well, which is part of the "proper use" of the product.

Ah, got it.  I'm just so used to toilet cleaners that don't really stick, and don't remove limescale that the thought of one that really works is quite exotic!  I use the formic acid cleaner when I can't stand seeing the limescale any longer [usually takes a couple of years for it to build up, and is only on the bit around the bend that you can just see/can't brush very easily], but that's a liquid that needs to be left overnight.

Thanks for the explanation.

Chez Miriam, I don't know if it's available in the UK, but I use a Clorox-brand bowl cleaner specifically formulated for mineral stain/build-up. It works wonders on my toilet. On the other hand, Mom can't use anything containing chlorine in her water, because it makes the stains worse. She uses Lysol products instead.

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« Reply #54 on: September 27, 2016, 01:51:01 PM »
I don't think I would be using vinegar.  Bleach and vinegar = chlorine gas.
No. That's bleach and ammonia. Very bad.

Chigger was correct. Bleach + acid (vinegar) = chlorine gas

Bleach + ammonia = chloramine gas (though it sounds like chlorine gas forms along the way to that).

Not that I'm a chemistry whiz - far from it - this is google at work.

http://www.doh.wa.gov/YouandYourFamily/HealthyHome/Contaminants/BleachMixingDangers

http://chemistry.about.com/od/toxicchemicals/a/Mixing-Bleach-And-Ammonia.htm

http://chemistry.about.com/od/toxicchemicals/a/Mixing-Bleach-And-Vinegar.htm
I knew about mixing ammonia and bleach being a deadly problem,  but not vinegar and bleach.  I use vinegar for cleaning all the time, so thank you so much, Psychopoesie and Chigger, for the information!!!!

I had to get my chemistry book out (been awhile) but mixing bleach with a strong acid, HCl (hydrochloric acid), will release dangerous chlorine gas.  Mixing bleach with a weak acid, acetic acid (CH3COOH) commonly known as vinegar does NOT.  Plus, the vinegar readily available from the store is not concentrated; it is usually only about 10% acetic acid.

Sodium hypochlorite reacts with hydrochloric acid to release chlorine gas:

NaClO + 2 HCl → Cl2 + H2O + NaCl

It reacts with other acids, such as acetic acid, to release hypochlorous acid:

NaClO + CH3COOH → HClO + CH3COONa
Thanks for the info, but I'm still gong to err on the side of caution and keep my vinegar and bleach separate from one another.  .
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Re: Household help request
« Reply #55 on: September 27, 2016, 02:24:52 PM »
Since you have the "independent" cleaner's information, have you contacted her directly?
I didn't because I wasn't supposed to have her number, and all contact was supposed to go through the agency (and because I'd rather she didn't try to fix it). I should have, because she turned up this morning. The agency had not told her I had cancelled with them last week.

The yelp review will be scathing.

When she turned up, did you tell her how dangerous her actions were?
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« Reply #56 on: Today at 03:27:30 PM »
This should be in the Stupid Questions thread, but: if the stuff she used sticks like that, and made the bathwater that blue, is your loo a deep shade of blue the whole time?

If you use it properly, no. You flush, squirt the stuff and let it sit for a while. Then you come back with a brush and scrub it a bit, then flush again. That should rinse almost all of it out. So this cleaner first used a product for cleaning things that it wasn't intended to clean, then failed to rinse it well, which is part of the "proper use" of the product.

Ah, got it.  I'm just so used to toilet cleaners that don't really stick, and don't remove limescale that the thought of one that really works is quite exotic!  I use the formic acid cleaner when I can't stand seeing the limescale any longer [usually takes a couple of years for it to build up, and is only on the bit around the bend that you can just see/can't brush very easily], but that's a liquid that needs to be left overnight.

Thanks for the explanation.

Chez Miriam, I don't know if it's available in the UK, but I use a Clorox-brand bowl cleaner specifically formulated for mineral stain/build-up. It works wonders on my toilet. On the other hand, Mom can't use anything containing chlorine in her water, because it makes the stains worse. She uses Lysol products instead.

Thanks, Writer of Wrongs - I found Clorox on Amazon, which is not cheap, but would be worth a go.  The Lysol I might wait [and see if the Clorox works OK], as some of the sellers on Amazon/eBay seem to be 'having a laugh' with their pricing...  $143 for 32 oz?  Seems crazy!  Another one wants $160 Shipping.

OK, so there are some cheaper ones listed, but I'll try the Clorox first.  :)
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