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Re: Tales from the Crypt ( ohhhh I mean FreeCycle )
« Reply #60 on: October 22, 2009, 11:43:14 PM »
I belong to two freecycle groups as I live on the border between two towns.

One woman posts every day on one group and every week on the other. (The latter is moderated much more strictly) about how she needs a certain color NEW baby item that isn't really necessary and can of highly specialized formula. Now, the formula I can understand-perhaps someone didn't finish a can, but the baby item?  It isn't necessary (and I have a baby!), it certainly doesn't have to be new, and color really really doesn't matter. Besides, she has been posting for this item for 6 months or so-I'm guessing our babies are the same age. It just gets old.

Another person replied to every one of my offers-from diapers to candle holders to Christmas mugs, telling me a sob story and asking me to drive the items to her........40 minutes away, WITHOUT traffic.

Most people are very polite and I love being able to empty my house (or get some things, I got a $200 item once!!), but the no shows and the sob stories do drive me nutty.

The snarky part of me also rolls my eyes when someone posts wants that are a mile long, wanting all new, complete with sob story about poverty, and then the last line is "Sent from my blackberry phone."  Someone wanted a new pack n' play.  I have a used one that I emailed and offered.  She wrote back and asked what part of NEW didn't I understand?  Her baby is too good for used.

But, on the positive side, I once posted some diapers-kiddo had outgrown size 1 and I had half opened packages of various types-Pampers, Huggies, Luvs, market brand, etc.  Someone wrote back right away that they were in desperate need and could come immediately. They were gone within 10 minutes.  I now just email her every time I find more or kiddo sizes up again.  THey are always off my doorstep within the hour.

Bolded by me.

I'm horrified. I would have responded with "And what part of FREE didn't you understand?" And then put myself in e-hell for a few days.

I really believe that 99% of the time, the greater and longer the sad story, the greater the chance you are being manipulated and used. 

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Re: Tales from the Crypt ( ohhhh I mean FreeCycle )
« Reply #61 on: October 22, 2009, 11:44:22 PM »

Maybe FreeCycle is more cynical than I thought?



If you don't start out that way, getting rid of stuff on FreeCycle will make you cynical.


That's what I found. I belonged to a FC group several years ago. I only gave stuff away, never asked for anything.

Some of the recipients were wonderful; families with sweet kids who got some of my sons' toys, the lady who ran an animal rescue facility. I was especially happy to give stuff to her.

But the sob stories, boy, they got old. One was memorable; she said she was a young, single mom who needed kitchen appliances; she said she was desperate. We all felt sorry for her and she was offered a lot of stuff. She turned it all down because it wasn't the right color! It's difficult to keep from being cynical when you see enough of that.

I have to sat that I love helping people.  I love helping people find things they need and I always pass on the kid's clothes and try to as generous as I can be.  That said, I've tried FC twice.  The first time was bad, the second was horrible.  It is amazing how quickly people will become nasty when something isn't brand new, not what they though or you won't bring it to them (I still don't understand this).  The sob stories were so bad I just began deleting all the wanted emails.  Ugh.  I'm getting ready to move so I will probably try it again or maybe I'll stick with CL, but it's kind of the same.

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Re: Tales from the Crypt ( ohhhh I mean FreeCycle )
« Reply #62 on: October 22, 2009, 11:46:18 PM »
I belong to two freecycle groups as I live on the border between two towns.

One woman posts every day on one group and every week on the other. (The latter is moderated much more strictly) about how she needs a certain color NEW baby item that isn't really necessary and can of highly specialized formula. Now, the formula I can understand-perhaps someone didn't finish a can, but the baby item?  It isn't necessary (and I have a baby!), it certainly doesn't have to be new, and color really really doesn't matter. Besides, she has been posting for this item for 6 months or so-I'm guessing our babies are the same age. It just gets old.

Another person replied to every one of my offers-from diapers to candle holders to Christmas mugs, telling me a sob story and asking me to drive the items to her........40 minutes away, WITHOUT traffic.

Most people are very polite and I love being able to empty my house (or get some things, I got a $200 item once!!), but the no shows and the sob stories do drive me nutty.

The snarky part of me also rolls my eyes when someone posts wants that are a mile long, wanting all new, complete with sob story about poverty, and then the last line is "Sent from my blackberry phone."  Someone wanted a new pack n' play.  I have a used one that I emailed and offered.  She wrote back and asked what part of NEW didn't I understand?  Her baby is too good for used.

But, on the positive side, I once posted some diapers-kiddo had outgrown size 1 and I had half opened packages of various types-Pampers, Huggies, Luvs, market brand, etc.  Someone wrote back right away that they were in desperate need and could come immediately. They were gone within 10 minutes.  I now just email her every time I find more or kiddo sizes up again.  THey are always off my doorstep within the hour.

Bolded by me.

I'm horrified. I would have responded with "And what part of FREE didn't you understand?" And then put myself in e-hell for a few days.

I really believe that 99% of the time, the greater and longer the sad story, the greater the chance you are being manipulated and used. 

I completely agree.  I can't tell you how many times lists went around for pretty much a brand new baby nursery.  I'm sorry, if you are in the finical situation to basically beg other people for stuff you really ought to be OK with used (assuming it hasn't been recalled of course).

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Re: Tales from the Crypt ( ohhhh I mean FreeCycle )
« Reply #63 on: October 23, 2009, 01:36:50 AM »


Dotty, I think what blarg is trying to stay is that she started the financial discussion by bringing money into it. If someone brings up how poor they are, or they are a struggling single mom, there is no need to speculate. They are putting lack of finances as a reason for the need. It's not a speculation at that point.


Exactly. If someone says "give me something because I'm poor and I can't afford it myself" then they are making their financial situation a central point of the request.

Basically, the only reason for including sob stories in Freecycle (the stuff is free already!) is to drum up sympathy so the giver chooses you over other people.



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Re: Tales from the Crypt ( ohhhh I mean FreeCycle )
« Reply #64 on: October 23, 2009, 01:47:26 AM »

Basically, the only reason for including sob stories in Freecycle (the stuff is free already!) is to drum up sympathy so the giver chooses you over other people.

I usually give a little info about why I should get a certain item, kinda the same way I'd play myself up in a job interview. But, let's say the item is socks- this would be my 'story':

Hey, I could really use those socks, if you still need to find a place for them. I've been looking for some just like that for so long, I thought I'd never find them! I don't need all of them, but if you just want one person to pick up, I'd be happy to relist/donate what I don't need. If you already found someone, thanks for thinking of others.

Give me a call and we'll work out when I can pick up
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I'd hate to think I'm being rude/pushy/gimme. I just like to give a little background so they know that I actually read what they are giving away, and not just sending the same email out to everyone.

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Re: Tales from the Crypt ( ohhhh I mean FreeCycle )
« Reply #65 on: October 23, 2009, 02:07:30 AM »
Rhirhi, and this is where I'd be confused. Because I'd think your request was perfectly reasonable.

Maybe that's why FC isn't for me. Because I see that as an ok thing to ask. :(


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Re: Tales from the Crypt ( ohhhh I mean FreeCycle )
« Reply #66 on: October 23, 2009, 03:45:03 AM »
Rhirhi, and this is where I'd be confused. Because I'd think your request was perfectly reasonable.

Maybe that's why FC isn't for me. Because I see that as an ok thing to ask. :(

Rhirhi's request was reasonable.

I don't understand what you are not understanding. One might go into a shop and negotiate a discount but one wouldn't got in and try to emotionally blackmail the vendor into giving you a discount. It would be very rude for me to go into Curry's and start demanding reductions because my husband had left me and I had three children and no job. It's just not in the transaction, and it's not there because it is leveraging personal information in a business transaction which is a big boundary violation. If anyone does do that it's taken as a signal by those forced to watch it that they have something mentally askew because they are obviously trying to adjust the rest of the world into how it should be instead of being aware of the normal boundaries and operating within them. Freecycle is in public, not personal interactions.

To break it down:
Bring up intimate and personal information when it isn't pertinent is not polite.
Using intimate and personal information as emotional blackmail is even less polite.
Using intimate and personal information as emotional blackmail to the detriment of others is bad behaviour.

If you do have three children and no husband and no job I still don't want to hear about it on Freecycle. It is not the place.



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Re: Tales from the Crypt ( ohhhh I mean FreeCycle )
« Reply #67 on: October 23, 2009, 03:52:58 AM »

If you do have three children and no husband and no job I still don't want to hear about it on Freecycle. It is not the place.

Quite. On the other hand I don't mind responders bringing up the 'I'd like it because I have kids' thing if it's pertinent to the item I'm giving away.

For example: I was recently giving away a washing machine. A lady responded to me saying she'd love to be considered for it, because she didn't currently have one and had three kids, one of whom was a small baby - and I know how much laundry that generates. I would have been happy to give it to her for those stated reasons had I not already promised it to someone else.

It's all in the way it's worded though. She was matter of fact about it in a 'This would really help me out' way, not a 'think of the children!' way.

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Re: Tales from the Crypt ( ohhhh I mean FreeCycle )
« Reply #68 on: October 23, 2009, 05:45:37 AM »
I have never used freecycle but I am thinking of trying it at some point.

In regards to people claiming poverty, we have a few great charities here that come to your house and uplift any larger items.

We have given away a good deal of furniture and larger electrical items such as fridges over the years to a particular charity. They came to the house with a van and picked it all up. We knew it would almost directly to those in need as well.

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Re: Tales from the Crypt ( ohhhh I mean FreeCycle )
« Reply #69 on: October 23, 2009, 07:14:59 AM »
One of the first items I ever got from Freecycle was a practically-new Ronco Showtime Rotisserie.  CRUD MONKEYS! was it wonderful!  It had all of the accessories and books with it, too.  I used it for years, loved it to death, and when I finally got sick of rotisserie chicken (who knew that could happen?) and needed the kitchen counter space, I freecycled it back out on my list to another very grateful and happy person.  That's what hooked me onto Freecycle. 

My whole bedroom - brass(fake) bed frame, 2 wooden dressers, and a really nice cedar chest - are from Freecycle.  And I've given so much more, too. 

Yes, there have been bad experiences. I could tell you a story from the mod's point of view that would curl your hair....but overall, I love Freecycle.


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Re: Tales from the Crypt ( ohhhh I mean FreeCycle )
« Reply #70 on: October 23, 2009, 07:50:51 AM »
Rhirhi, and this is where I'd be confused. Because I'd think your request was perfectly reasonable.

Maybe that's why FC isn't for me. Because I see that as an ok thing to ask. :(

Rhirhi's request was reasonable.

I don't understand what you are not understanding. One might go into a shop and negotiate a discount but one wouldn't got in and try to emotionally blackmail the vendor into giving you a discount. It would be very rude for me to go into Curry's and start demanding reductions because my husband had left me and I had three children and no job. It's just not in the transaction, and it's not there because it is leveraging personal information in a business transaction which is a big boundary violation. If anyone does do that it's taken as a signal by those forced to watch it that they have something mentally askew because they are obviously trying to adjust the rest of the world into how it should be instead of being aware of the normal boundaries and operating within them. Freecycle is in public, not personal interactions.

To break it down:
Bring up intimate and personal information when it isn't pertinent is not polite.
Using intimate and personal information as emotional blackmail is even less polite.
Using intimate and personal information as emotional blackmail to the detriment of others is bad behaviour.

If you do have three children and no husband and no job I still don't want to hear about it on Freecycle. It is not the place.




Frankly I think this is an issue of Dotty more disagreeing with the attitude regarding sob stories as opposed to not understanding why it isn't germane to Freecycle.

I am on the board of a children's XMAS charity and I do read applications for assistance and I do see sob stories ( that are verified ). It's pertinent to the work we do and our mission.  Believe me, when I tell you I have spent evenings with tears in my eyes over some of these kids ...... and yet - before we did verification and applications  - people were driving up in new luxury cars to get their assistance.






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Re: Tales from the Crypt ( ohhhh I mean FreeCycle )
« Reply #71 on: October 23, 2009, 08:38:29 AM »
When I first started using to give away and find things on Freecycle , there was equal number of wants and offers.  Now i very rarely look at Freecycle because all i ever see is I WANT.  My friend and I have started our own Freecycle- I leave on a busy highway and there is an electric pole in my yard we put our stuff out there and it goes like hotcakes.  I have even had a few people come to my house and offer to buy the stuff, I tell them to just please take it.

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Re: Tales from the Crypt ( ohhhh I mean FreeCycle )
« Reply #72 on: October 23, 2009, 10:46:21 AM »
I don't understand what you are not understanding. One might go into a shop and negotiate a discount but one wouldn't got in and try to emotionally blackmail the vendor into giving you a discount. It would be very rude for me to go into Curry's and start demanding reductions because my husband had left me and I had three children and no job. It's just not in the transaction, and it's not there because it is leveraging personal information in a business transaction which is a big boundary violation.

And, I don't understand what it is that you're not understanding about what I'm saying.  Because I'm not disagreeing with what you said above.  I agree that there are boundaries in business.

What I'm disagreeing with is the way one of our posters took it upon herself to decide that, because of the quality and cost of the homes in a particular neighborhood, a person should be able to afford a lawnmower herself.  Frankly, that's none of this EHellion's business.  As other posters have said, they might have trouble purchasing something like a lawnmower after buying a new home as well.  We don't know a person's finances and should not speculate on whether or not they "should" be able to afford something or not.  Who's to say this new home wasn't given to Lawnmower Girl as a result of her grandmother's death and she got it in the will?  So, she really doesn't have as much money as our EHellion is speculating.

Could Lawnmower Girl have phrased her request better?  Maybe.  But, like I said, I read it more as excitement about a new home rather than a plea to be a charity case.  That's all in the reading, and maybe some of you read it differently than I did.  That's cool.  Interpretation of someone's words is up to the reader.

Could Lawnmower Girl have afforded her own mower without FC?  Maybe. But, asking on FC may have been just one avenue of her looking.  It could be that she was, at the same time, looking through the weekly flyers in the newspaper for a good buy at Sears, checking with her friends and family to see if they had one, and many other avenues.  FC might not have been her only method of trying to get this mower.  We don't know.  Doesn't matter.

Could Lawnmower Girl truly be a scam artist trying to get something for nothing?  Maybe.  Who knows?  She could be a complete jerk who's trying to beat the system.  That would be sad, but it's a possibility.  I'd rather not assume that from the get-go, but everyone's thoughts on that can differ.

As I said, I think some of you are trying to take what I'm saying and apply it to a much broader generalization than I'm actually talking about.  Don't try to stretch my meaning into every situation!  I'm fully aware that there are a lot of people out there who are trying to get something for nothing.  I know there are some absolute jerks out there.  I know that, when dealing on FC, you probably come across a lot of eyeroll-worthy behavior.  I guess what I'm saying, though, is maybe be careful that your eyerolling and cynicism doesn't become so ingrained that you miss the people who truly aren't trying to scam you. ;)


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Re: Tales from the Crypt ( ohhhh I mean FreeCycle )
« Reply #73 on: October 23, 2009, 11:09:04 AM »
I've had a couple of good experiences on FC, and a couple of rotten ones - we replaced two older couches and an armchair a couple of years back, and gave the things away (one at a time, as the newer stuff was being delivered). Three offers, probably 50 responses, and when I responded back to the sob stories, they were the ones that then asked for pictures to "see if it will fit my decor". I ended up giving an almost new condition sleeper sofa to a couple from the nearby air base, was glad to do that. The armchair went to a couple of college students, and the other couch to a family that was finishing their basement as a playroom and needed something basic that their kids couldn't destroy easily. Was so glad to do it. Now I've got a bunch of furniture and stuff in my storage unit that needs to go - thinking that I'll FC it, but hoping I can get people to pick up and not beg for delivery I can't give. :-/

FC can be great, but it can also be a real headache.

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Re: Tales from the Crypt ( ohhhh I mean FreeCycle )
« Reply #74 on: October 23, 2009, 12:43:22 PM »
Basically, the only reason for including sob stories in Freecycle (the stuff is free already!) is to drum up sympathy so the giver chooses you over other people.

I disagree to a point.  I think that there are people out there who think that if they cry poor enough, some random person who doesn't know them will take pity and buy them the stuff they want.