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Hushabye

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Re: Inviting oneself into plans discussed on Facebook walls
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2010, 12:12:55 PM »
It makes sense to me, Mrs.E.  You actually hit on what was kind of bothering me about it.  Wall posts don't generally show up in the feeds (and I think you can set them so they don't), so this guy would have had to go to the OP's wall or her friend's wall -- it sounds like this was a series of comments on a wall post -- and toggle around to get the whole story first.

In my circle, people will post stuff like this on each other's walls all the time.  Or they'll post about getting together in other cities when traveling.  I've never seen that as an invite to their entire friends lists -- that's what events and invites are for.

I wonder if this is another one of those Facebook things that really depends on how each individual views and uses it...

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Re: Inviting oneself into plans discussed on Facebook walls
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2010, 12:25:17 PM »
I'm not 100% sure that wall-to-wall doesn't show up in the News Feed since they changed FB.  I've seen a few WTW posts show up in my feed unless I set it specifically to Status Updates, so I'm not prepared to call the guy out on that as of right now. 

I think for me it's more like he inserted himself into a conversation, which puts him on the rude side.  Regardless of whether the post showed on his News Feed or he went looking for it, that part stays unchanged for me.  I'd go for letting it die a natural death and moving any future discussions of specific plans to PMs. 

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Re: Inviting oneself into plans discussed on Facebook walls
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2010, 12:33:48 PM »
I'm not 100% sure that wall-to-wall doesn't show up in the News Feed since they changed FB.  I've seen a few WTW posts show up in my feed unless I set it specifically to Status Updates, so I'm not prepared to call the guy out on that as of right now. 

Ugh, if that's the case, then it's just one more thing I hate about the way they've been changing Facebook over the last three or so years.   >:( 

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Re: Inviting oneself into plans discussed on Facebook walls
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2010, 12:41:59 PM »
I agree with the PP about discussing things on your Wall - that is just like talking about it in a crowded room. I got busted doing something similar some time ago and learned my lesson well - I never discuss plans made with big groups in my status update or on my wall. Someone who is not invited will invariably be hurt or invite himself along.

I think Greenleafmountain probably has the right idea - stop talking about it in public (on your Wall) and let him know that you really don't know what your plans will be. You may also want to say that someone else is organizing it and you are just one of their guests.

I tend to agree.

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Re: Inviting oneself into plans discussed on Facebook walls
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2010, 12:45:22 PM »
The only wall posts I've seen show up in the feeds are wall posts where both the writer and the person who's wall is being written on are friends of mine.  Wall posts your friends make on people you are not also friends with don't usually show up.

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Re: Inviting oneself into plans discussed on Facebook walls
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2010, 12:47:06 PM »
I'm not 100% sure that wall-to-wall doesn't show up in the News Feed since they changed FB.  I've seen a few WTW posts show up in my feed unless I set it specifically to Status Updates, so I'm not prepared to call the guy out on that as of right now. 

Ugh, if that's the case, then it's just one more thing I hate about the way they've been changing Facebook over the last three or so years.   >:( 

I'm pretty sure the wall-to-wall only shows up if both people in the wall-to-wall are on your friends list.  If only one is, it doesn't show up.

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Re: Inviting oneself into plans discussed on Facebook walls
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2010, 12:49:46 PM »
Maybe the easiest way to fix this is to defriend him. The OP says she doesnt really know him and had forgotten he was even on her friends list. If everybody else on your friends list would have been ok to invite themselves maybe you should only have  those people on your list, or change what he can and cant see on your page.

I still say that OP did nothing wrong and he was the rude one, but this may be the easiest solution to your problem.

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Re: Inviting oneself into plans discussed on Facebook walls
« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2010, 12:54:09 PM »
I'm not 100% sure that wall-to-wall doesn't show up in the News Feed since they changed FB.  I've seen a few WTW posts show up in my feed unless I set it specifically to Status Updates, so I'm not prepared to call the guy out on that as of right now. 

Ugh, if that's the case, then it's just one more thing I hate about the way they've been changing Facebook over the last three or so years.   >:( 

I'm pretty sure the wall-to-wall only shows up if both people in the wall-to-wall are on your friends list.  If only one is, it doesn't show up.


If that's the case, then the guy would have had to go looking for the posts, since he's only friends with the OP.  That I would definitely have an issue with.  It would be like overhearing a snippet of a conversation in another room and then traipsing along until you found the source of the conversation and inserting yourself into it, to me.

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Re: Inviting oneself into plans discussed on Facebook walls
« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2010, 01:04:17 PM »
If that's the case, then the guy would have had to go looking for the posts, since he's only friends with the OP.  That I would definitely have an issue with.  It would be like overhearing a snippet of a conversation in another room and then traipsing along until you found the source of the conversation and inserting yourself into it, to me.

I'm not sure if he's friends with my other friend.  I mean, he did friend me after a 5 minute conversation, so it's possible he friended my other friend as well...I'll go check now.

....okay, he is friends with my friend, (I'm guessing he went through our mutual friend's friend list and tried to add everyone) so I'm assuming a "linteater posted on LinteatersFriends' wall" probably came up in his news feed. 
I guess this is a lesson learned.

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Re: Inviting oneself into plans discussed on Facebook walls
« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2010, 01:05:16 PM »
If that's the case, then the guy would have had to go looking for the posts, since he's only friends with the OP.  That I would definitely have an issue with.  It would be like overhearing a snippet of a conversation in another room and then traipsing along until you found the source of the conversation and inserting yourself into it, to me.

I'm not sure if he's friends with my other friend.  I mean, he did friend me after a 5 minute conversation, so it's possible he friended my other friend as well...I'll go check now.

....okay, he is friends with my friend, (I'm guessing he went through our mutual friend's friend list and tried to add everyone) so I'm assuming a "linteater posted on LinteatersFriends' wall" probably came up in his news feed. 
I guess this is a lesson learned.

Ok, I see.  And reiterate for the record that I hate the news feed.  :P

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Re: Inviting oneself into plans discussed on Facebook walls
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2010, 11:08:52 AM »
If it's an event open to the public, like a bike ride, there's not much one can do other than what's been mentioned re: "see you at the after event" or being vague about whether you're going.  In this case, I don't think the OP and her friend were rude for talking about it.  And Mr. Tag Along strikes me as more clueless than rude.

Not everyone is going to be invited to every single event.  For example, I have a great aunt who hosts many family events.  She is a gracious, generous person, so in addition to her sons, she includes extended family, such as myself and another aunt.  She also includes a cousin from another side of the family who isn't related to her.  This cousin has become possessive of our great aunt and doesn't want anyone to do anything without her, even her sons!! In contrast, I appreciate that she & her sons are willing to share their family with us, so on the rare occasions they want to gather just with themselves (due to space reasons), I'm glad they're enjoying their time together and I don't expect an invite.  The possessive cousin is the one I blocked on Facebook because of her lack of respect for boundaries.  One of the sons (also one of my cousins) posted about his weekend which included one of these mom & sons dinner.  Of course possessive cousin had to make an issue of it.  I just liked his status, that he had such a nice time with his mom & brothers.  

I don't feel he should have to be secretive about it when he and his mom/brothers do mother-son, brother-brother things.  The exception is when she's been excluded because of her behavior.   Several people can't stand the way she dominates conversations, regularly disregards boundaries & puts other people down (trying to curry favor with my aunt, but not realizing that's the absolute worst way to go about it) and don't want her around for certain events.  I've been invited to some of those and I've made every effort to make sure I didn't inadvertently say something.  I even set up another photo sharing account to share the photos.  Since she has access to my usual account, I didn't want her to see photos to the event she was excluded from.  

Another example of not being expected to be invited to everything is a good friend of mine's family.  I've been cut off by my mother & brother and my father is dead.  In addition to my extended family, some of my friends have really stepped up to include me in their families.  For example, I spent both Christmas & New Year's Eve with this friend and her family.  She & her sister joke around that I'm their long lost sister. I appreciate the invites & inclusion and I don't expect to be invited to everything.  The 2 sisters do things on their own and I don't expect to be invited, nor do I expect them to keep it secret from me.  They are both on my Facebook list and they sometimes talk about the activities.  If I'm not specifically invited, I figure it's something they want to do on their own.  I don't invite myself along and I don't feel hurt by it.  

If anything, I consider myself lucky to have my extended family & friends in my life.  If they occasionally want to do family of origin type of things, I understand and don't feel excluded.  It would be weirder to me not to have them talk about it.  I wouldn't want them to feel like they're walking on eggshells.
  
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Re: Inviting oneself into plans discussed on Facebook walls
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2010, 12:18:32 PM »
I see it more as making plans with a friend at a party where there are other people but in a corner where people could hear only if they are trying to listen to your conversation.

What you are describing would be private messages, not wall postings.  Wall postings can and will be read by others, to a greater or lesser degree.  So it's more like talking in a corner but in a voice loud enough for the whole room to hear.

I am constantly stunned by the number of people who will post something in a public place (wall or blog or whatever) and then get upset when the "wrong" person reads it.  The internet is public and the internet is forever.  Don't post something that you don't want the whole world to know about.
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Re: Inviting oneself into plans discussed on Facebook walls
« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2010, 11:52:19 AM »
I am constantly stunned by the number of people who will post something in a public place (wall or blog or whatever) and then get upset when the "wrong" person reads it.  The internet is public and the internet is forever.  Don't post something that you don't want the whole world to know about.

I'm not upset that he read it...I'm just confused and a little annoyed that he read it and then decided that it was an invitation for him to come along with me, especially considering that neither of us know him. 

I mean, I could create a blog and talk about plans to go camping in the appalachian mountains, but I don't think that by doing so I have invited all my readers to go camping with me.

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Re: Inviting oneself into plans discussed on Facebook walls
« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2010, 12:05:57 PM »
I am constantly stunned by the number of people who will post something in a public place (wall or blog or whatever) and then get upset when the "wrong" person reads it.  The internet is public and the internet is forever.  Don't post something that you don't want the whole world to know about.

I'm not upset that he read it...I'm just confused and a little annoyed that he read it and then decided that it was an invitation for him to come along with me, especially considering that neither of us know him

I mean, I could create a blog and talk about plans to go camping in the appalachian mountains, but I don't think that by doing so I have invited all my readers to go camping with me.

This is the disconnect to me.

Why is someone you do not know on your friend list for FB? I know you explained, but that is why posting something on your wall for FB is different than posting something on a blog that readers, who you would expect could very well not know you, would not expect to join in.

Facebook is supposed to be for friends. By the nature of it, I don't understand how someone you do not know would be privvy to your daily activities or why you would want them to be. If it happened in advertently, I'd delete them from my list. By accepting this guy's friend request, you are indicating you are open to a friendship with him and I don't see how you can blame him for that. I reject a number of friend requests because I don't have any interest in having a relationship with these people.

I do not understand how people have friends on their FB list that they regard as complete strangers. You are opening up your life to these people, even partially if you control settings. There is no one on my friend list that I would feel overstepped their boundaries by expressing interest in an activity I posted on my wall. If I wanted it to be exclusive, I'd send it PM.

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Re: Inviting oneself into plans discussed on Facebook walls
« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2010, 01:39:11 PM »
Well that's the thing - I was new to Facebook and I was afraid ignoring his friend request would send him a message saying he was ignored.  After he added me I changed all my security settings so that nobody could add me, and they'd have to message me and request that I add them. (A setting that was taken away with the new Facebook revamping  >:()  I didn't feel comfortable unfriending him because he would occasionally comment on status updates, leading me to think he would notice if I severed the link.  I didn't dislike him, and didn't want to hurt his feelings.  After a while, I just forgot he even existed.

I think the bigger question is why would you ask to friend someone you don't know to begin with?

I guess maybe I use Facebook walls differently than you do, Penelope - I feel posting on the wall is akin to a side conversation.  Sure people can listen in, but it's not an open invitation.  Like if two friends were discussing an upcoming trip to DisneyWorld.  I wouldn't invite myself along, and wouldnt' be hurt that they were discussing it. But I guess according to most eHellions, it is.