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Re: Facebook + good intentions = privacy problems Update of sorts #9
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2010, 05:46:20 PM »
It was probably easier for the pastor to do a quick cut-and-paste rather than reword the message, but I still think he made a mistake. Part of the job of a pastor is to keep confidences. If my pastor started giving me lots of details about another parishioner, frankly, I'd be more reluctant to tell the pastor anything. I have no problem with, "Katy Smith is very ill. Can you add her to your prayers?" I would have problems with, "Katy Smith just had X procedure for Y condition and it didn't go very well. She's in ICU and on oxygen. Can you add her to your prayers?" Even if Katy didn't mind having her medical info broadcast, it just seems like too much detail that I don't need to know.

This.  I don't think the OP would have had as much of a problem if all the pastor had posted was "Please keep Animala's sister and family in your prayers."   That's all we do typically at my church.  We don't know the details, and we don't need to know.  Just that there's a need for prayer.

If you would think it would help, maybe mentioning this to the pastor would be good.  As a heads up on how things could be treated in the future.

This is what my experience my whole life has been with practitioners of several faiths which I suppose is why it so surprised me.  I have already had a conversation and since he doesn't seem to have a problem with viewing these things as public I don't see that there is much more I can do.  ???

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Re: Facebook + good intentions = privacy problems Update of sorts #9
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2010, 05:53:39 PM »
It sounds like the pastor was well meaning, but went about it the wrong way.  I wouldn't appreciate my Facebook posts being disseminated to my entire church, even if Facebook is technically a public site.

That said, there is no violation of clergy confidentiality here.  This was not something you told him one-on-one or even emailed him directly - it was something you shared with a group of people (albeit a self-selected, small group, but still a group).  It wasn't something shared between the two of you privately for the goal of spiritual advice.  So I don't think he violated his professional ethics.

However, I do hope he learned a lesson about not sharing personal details to the entire church without first checking with that parishioner.

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Re: Facebook + good intentions = privacy problems Update of sorts #9
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2010, 06:59:46 PM »
Our pastor sends notifications through e-mail about sick parishioners, but he only gives as much detail as the person and/or families allow. I have asked that prayer requests involving my health be kept private (among the staff only), and no e-mails go out about me.

Good grief, when Pastor sent out a news story from one of our missionaries in Haiti, I e-mailed him and asked permission to post it on my Facebook. And this was a news story, not a private e-mail!

It's unfortunate that the pastor posted without asking permission, and I think you handled it the best way you could.

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Re: Facebook + good intentions = privacy problems Update of sorts #9
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2010, 08:04:56 PM »
I'm thinking that Facebook may not be the best venue for something like this. And I can sort of see the pastor's reasoning -- it *is* perceived as a "public space," and even though this particular group was privacy-protected, it may not be clear to someone inexperienced with FB what is private and what isn't. I know I can't always tell.

It's kind of like posting something on the wall (actual brick-and-mortar wall, not FB wall!) in the ladies room or an employees-only area at work. The intent may be to keep men or non-employees from getting access to the info, but the fact that it's out there for all who pass by to read sends the signal, "This is not top-secret confidential information." So there's nothing to keep those "authorized" to read it from passing the info around.

My suggestion would be to scrap the FB group in favor of updating folks on sister's condition by e-mail (it's pretty easy to set up a group mailing list in most mail programs), or keep the FB group but post some sort of disclaimer on its FB home page that says something like "All information shared within this group is confidential and should not be shared with anyone outside the group without the express permission of Animala. If you're not sure who is and isn't in the group, check the member list."

(If you were to go the e-mail route, it would probably be smart to include a "don't share without permission" disclaimer in the sig line as well.)
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Re: Facebook + good intentions = privacy problems Update of sorts #9
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2010, 10:41:26 PM »
It was probably easier for the pastor to do a quick cut-and-paste rather than reword the message, but I still think he made a mistake. Part of the job of a pastor is to keep confidences. If my pastor started giving me lots of details about another parishioner, frankly, I'd be more reluctant to tell the pastor anything. I have no problem with, "Katy Smith is very ill. Can you add her to your prayers?" I would have problems with, "Katy Smith just had X procedure for Y condition and it didn't go very well. She's in ICU and on oxygen. Can you add her to your prayers?" Even if Katy didn't mind having her medical info broadcast, it just seems like too much detail that I don't need to know.

This.  I don't think the OP would have had as much of a problem if all the pastor had posted was "Please keep Animala's sister and family in your prayers."   That's all we do typically at my church.  We don't know the details, and we don't need to know.  Just that there's a need for prayer.

If you would think it would help, maybe mentioning this to the pastor would be good.  As a heads up on how things could be treated in the future.

This is what my experience my whole life has been with practitioners of several faiths which I suppose is why it so surprised me.  I have already had a conversation and since he doesn't seem to have a problem with viewing these things as public I don't see that there is much more I can do.  ???

You can specifically say, "I don't care where you get it from, I do not want you to write, send, or tell any medical details about my sister to anyone else. Please honor our wishes not to bandy about such information."

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Re: Facebook + good intentions = privacy problems Update of sorts #9
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2010, 10:54:05 PM »
You can specifically say, "I don't care where you get it from, I do not want you to write, send, or tell any medical details about my sister to anyone else. Please honor our wishes not to bandy about such information."

POD!  This is great wording.  No matter where he heard about the information, I don't think it should be up to him to disseminate it!

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Re: Facebook + good intentions = privacy problems
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2010, 11:32:25 PM »
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Block the pastor, he's revealed himself as someone who cannot be trusted.

I think this is a bit harsh for a misunderstanding.

He may not even have realized it was a private group. I would have a conversation with him about what is appropriate to share, if he violates that agreement, then I would block him.

But I can completely understand his mistake.

I don't see what knowing it was a private group or not has anything to do with anything.  You should know the personal wishes of the person in question before you go about bleating their problems to the whole world.  If he was uncertain he should have erred on the side of keeping his mouth closed.
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Re: Facebook + good intentions = privacy problems Update of sorts #9
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2010, 01:20:41 AM »

That said, there is no violation of clergy confidentiality here.  This was not something you told him one-on-one or even emailed him directly - it was something you shared with a group of people (albeit a self-selected, small group, but still a group).  It wasn't something shared between the two of you privately for the goal of spiritual advice.  So I don't think he violated his professional ethics.


This is true. He's done nothing technically wrong. However, I think he's shown that he isn't discreet with other people's information. I guess it's just that the people I've known, in positions like his, have always been on the "need to know" end of the spectrum--they don't discuss details of other people's lives unless the listener has a real need to know those details. This incident would have me being very cautious about anything I told him, because I wouldn't know where he draws that line.
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Re: Facebook + good intentions = privacy problems Update of sorts #9
« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2010, 11:52:18 PM »
CaringBridge is how I stay updated about people with long term illnesses.  I am not on facebook.
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Re: Facebook + good intentions = privacy problems Update of sorts #9
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2010, 11:59:35 AM »
First of all (((hugs))) to Animala and her sister.

The pastor should have asked if it was okay to send personal medical details to the congregation.  It's common courtesy, not just ethical.

When DS was in the neonatal unit my SIL asked her church (which is a different faith than DH and me) to start a prayer circle.  The pastor called me and asked if I wanted it done.

Pastor was wrong.

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Re: Facebook + good intentions = privacy problems Update of sorts #9
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2010, 01:23:07 PM »
Whoa, I *just* got on Facebook yesterday. Yours is a great cautionary tale, Animalia.

FYI to anyone with a similar situation: Mayo Clinic will create a website for any patient or their family who wants to post updates for selected friends. I don't know if this would have solved your problem 'coz it sounds like the pastor would have done what he did anyway. I just wanted the other eHellions to know that it was available at Mayo (and possibly at other hospitals as well).

I wish all health to your sis.

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Re: Facebook + good intentions = privacy problems Update of sorts #9
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2010, 06:20:01 PM »
My pastor announced my pregnancy in our church bulletin without asking me first. I actually didn't mind because it saved me telling 100+ people individually, but I was pretty surprised that he had done it. I think you're well within your rights to ask him to keep this info private, or to restrict access to your FB group.