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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #11280 on: September 19, 2017, 06:19:01 AM »
A while back, DH's workplace set out a bunch of file cabinets and marked them free. DH grabbed one.

He was going through it this weekend and realized that it's still full of documents...1099s and other tax forms.  :-X

I used to joke about my former workplace - the paperclips are locked up, but the forms with millions of SSNs and other info are on bookcases on the walls.... (Oh, and it was a Federal Govt office, too.)

In a previous workplace, none of the computer equipment was locked up. Server rooms did not have locks on them. Smaller equipment kept disappearing (the classic case of cleaning staff taking things at night - sometimes they would go through people's unlockable desk drawers to get stuff.) You could walk out of the building, past the security guards, with anything and no one would question you, because people did legitimately need to do some work at home overnight.

But when they were expanding one building, and putting in a beautiful and spacious foyer and reception area, they kept the marble tiles locked up overnight.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #11281 on: September 19, 2017, 08:06:02 AM »
I don't think it resulted in PD, just a stern chat.

A colleague was telling me about an incident at his previous place of work.  The company's large, new email server ground to a halt.  This was because 2 employees had set up out of office messages, redirecting their emails to each other. 

Think about it for a moment....


So it was a never-ending game of automated email ping pong? Wow. When we do out of office messages, it sends the O-O-O response once to each sender, and if they send another message later, it does not send the O-O-O response again. Then again, we don't have messages auto-forwarded.  :o

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #11282 on: September 19, 2017, 08:12:49 AM »
I don't think it resulted in PD, just a stern chat.

A colleague was telling me about an incident at his previous place of work.  The company's large, new email server ground to a halt.  This was because 2 employees had set up out of office messages, redirecting their emails to each other. 

Think about it for a moment....


So it was a never-ending game of automated email ping pong? Wow. When we do out of office messages, it sends the O-O-O response once to each sender, and if they send another message later, it does not send the O-O-O response again. Then again, we don't have messages auto-forwarded.  :o

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We have had that happen twice in my section of the university. Both times, the accounts had to be suspended and manually cleared before the person got access again. It was a huge mess, and there were over 10K bounce back messages in each account.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #11283 on: September 19, 2017, 10:11:54 AM »
I don't think it resulted in PD, just a stern chat.

A colleague was telling me about an incident at his previous place of work.  The company's large, new email server ground to a halt.  This was because 2 employees had set up out of office messages, redirecting their emails to each other. 

Think about it for a moment....


So it was a never-ending game of automated email ping pong? Wow. When we do out of office messages, it sends the O-O-O response once to each sender, and if they send another message later, it does not send the O-O-O response again. Then again, we don't have messages auto-forwarded.  :o

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We have had that happen twice in my section of the university. Both times, the accounts had to be suspended and manually cleared before the person got access again. It was a huge mess, and there were over 10K bounce back messages in each account.

I gather that's what happened in this case.  As my colleague was the person who had to sort it out, my guess is that he probably disabled the auto-forward function. He'd have made darned sure he didn't have to do it again!  I don't know for sure, because it's not my story.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #11284 on: September 19, 2017, 10:47:10 AM »
I don't think it resulted in PD, just a stern chat.

A colleague was telling me about an incident at his previous place of work.  The company's large, new email server ground to a halt.  This was because 2 employees had set up out of office messages, redirecting their emails to each other. 

Think about it for a moment....

So, my coworker used to work with your colleague?  She will schedule time off of work, not share it with any of her coworkers (her supervisor knows); and then set up her auto-reply telling people to contact me, without telling me (always fun to transfer a caller to her desk and then have them call back saying her voice mail says she's out of the office for a week and that all calls should be directed to me).  Then there was the time she did that and I was out of the office on training for two days (which was on the calendar) and not able to check my messages during the day at all, so that caused some great confusion.  And yet, it still doesn't even warrant a stern chat by her supervisor....
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #11285 on: September 20, 2017, 09:26:05 AM »
This is hard to call PD because the guy did this in his last week before retiring, but if he ever wanted to return to work (he was retiring a bit young on a buyout), he put himself in a bad position:

"Lyle" started setting up meetings with each person in the department for his last week of work. There were 15-20 of us. It turned out he kept a file on each person in the department, documenting dates and 'incidents' where he thought he was mistreated/insulted/whatever by us. The meetings he scheduled were for him to confront each person over all the horrible things they did or said to him over the years.

Personally, I had only worked with him for about 3 years. I did not like him at all, and did not hold him in very high regard-- I thought his work was not very thorough and that he was underqualified for his role and argumentative over everything. I think I kept those opinions to myself. When I heard about these meetings, I skipped out on mine. I took an afternoon off with 2 more of his 'targets', and we made ourselves scarce for his last day in the office.

What a way to go!
I'm surprised that this was allowed to go on after the first person.

sorry to bring this back after 3 pages, but...
it probably went so long because it took a few meetings for people to realize what was happening, and some of the first 'victims' just rolled their eyes and laughed at the whole thing knowing Lyle would be gone at the end of the week. Others just cancelled their meetings and skipped out. Finally, the Director over our department and VP over her both happened to be out of the office (one medical leave, one vacation), so the normal channels weren't operating very smoothly. HR was always a waste of time and red tape at that place.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #11286 on: September 20, 2017, 10:39:09 AM »
My dad is retired, but works part-time at the driver's license center taking photos.  His position is paid through the disability office along with several others.  They have to be able to do the work according to the job description or the disability office will be called to either reprimand or replace them.

Cookie also has the same job through the disability office.  Whenever someone gets called to have their picture taken she manages to make some kind of round about pity party for herself.

Example:  patron lives in Snipsville.  Cookie says "oh, my late husband and I used to go to Snipsville all the time to go to the Greasy Spoon for breakfast but I can't go any more because he died 9 years ago and I'm not over it and can't imagine being at the Greasy Spoon without him and I just pray and pray and pray that I'll get to be with him some day".

She's been warned about this several times.  Now they are watching her and keeping count of the number of licenses she actually processes.  I don't see it ending well for Cookie.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #11287 on: September 20, 2017, 06:28:59 PM »
I don't think it resulted in PD, just a stern chat.

A colleague was telling me about an incident at his previous place of work.  The company's large, new email server ground to a halt.  This was because 2 employees had set up out of office messages, redirecting their emails to each other. 

Think about it for a moment....

Failure in the e-mail program. It should have recognized that it already forwarded the e-mail and stopped.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #11288 on: September 21, 2017, 04:43:08 PM »
I don't think it resulted in PD, just a stern chat.

A colleague was telling me about an incident at his previous place of work.  The company's large, new email server ground to a halt.  This was because 2 employees had set up out of office messages, redirecting their emails to each other. 

Think about it for a moment....

So, my coworker used to work with your colleague?  She will schedule time off of work, not share it with any of her coworkers (her supervisor knows); and then set up her auto-reply telling people to contact me, without telling me (always fun to transfer a caller to her desk and then have them call back saying her voice mail says she's out of the office for a week and that all calls should be directed to me).  Then there was the time she did that and I was out of the office on training for two days (which was on the calendar) and not able to check my messages during the day at all, so that caused some great confusion.  And yet, it still doesn't even warrant a stern chat by her supervisor....

POD POD. I nearly twitched with empathy when I read this. I had a boss who was famous for that. Would leave, direct people to me and would perhaps tell me she was off, but usually not.

The kicker was that the person calling for help usually had some convoluted mess that boss didn't share details with me about, leaving me to be forced to ask the customer to start over.  They love that!

Heck, I detest when that happens when I'm the customer so I get their frustration - it's just tough to be the messenger that's always shot. Particularly when it could be avoided with some management and communication. :(


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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #11289 on: September 21, 2017, 10:01:56 PM »
I accepted a resignation from someone who regularly threatened to quit.   My predecessor always caved in, and agreed to whatever this man wanted.  The first time he tried it with me was the only time he had the opportunity to try it.  Most satisfying..

It really is. I had an employee once who chafed at being supervised by a woman, and a young one at that. My boss hired him over my serious reservations - he had been in administration for his career and I thought it unlikely that he'd take to field work well in his retirement. Well I was right - his paperwork was a mess, his client meetings unproductive and poorly documented - things that could cause the business big problems. And of course it was my job to correct these things. He threatened to quit every time and my boss always soothed his wounded ego. Until I finally put my foot down - next time I'm accepting his resignation and it's him or me. She didn't know how to run the dingdangity place either. So the next time he threatened to quit he heard "If that's what you feel is best." So. Offended. He stormed out and wrote a three page letter to my boss about how unprofessional I had been to accept his resignation. I grinned like a Cheshire Cat for a week solid.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #11290 on: September 22, 2017, 08:16:55 AM »
If you're a security guard and the policy book tells you not to do something because it will be a distraction from your duties, you probably shouldn't do it.

If you've been caught doing it and the supervisor gives you a verbal coaching, you probably shouldn't do it again.

When the supervisor checks the coaching log and realizes you've been coached before, and then gives you a verbal warning (with written confirmation to your employee file) at the end of the shift, you should stop doing it.

If, after a couple verbal warnings have been issued and the entire supervisory staff has been made aware of the pattern of behavior, you get caught again and written up, you really need to shape up.

In the end, I caught him again.  I knew that that point that his termination was just a matter of the Big Boss & HR person sitting down to do the paperwork, so I placed him on an unpaid suspension, which could only be lifted after a sit-down meeting with the Big Boss.  Apparently, the HR person just copied the suspension letter I wrote (which included the litany of documented coaching, warnings, and write-ups), changed the wording to indicate he was being terminated effective immediately, and that was the end of that little problem.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #11291 on: September 22, 2017, 03:36:29 PM »

If you've been skating on thin ice for a while, and in the middle of a huge argument with your manager you scream out, "I quit!", you shouldn't be surprised if your manager immediately accepts your resignation and no, is not interested in revisiting the topic.

And as a follow up...

When your manager discovers you hadn't done two particular jobs that by State statute had to be submitted in July and August, she's really not going to want to revisit the topic.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #11292 on: September 24, 2017, 08:01:49 AM »
My dad is retired, but works part-time at the driver's license center taking photos.  His position is paid through the disability office along with several others.  They have to be able to do the work according to the job description or the disability office will be called to either reprimand or replace them.

Cookie also has the same job through the disability office.  Whenever someone gets called to have their picture taken she manages to make some kind of round about pity party for herself.

Example:  patron lives in Snipsville.  Cookie says "oh, my late husband and I used to go to Snipsville all the time to go to the Greasy Spoon for breakfast but I can't go any more because he died 9 years ago and I'm not over it and can't imagine being at the Greasy Spoon without him and I just pray and pray and pray that I'll get to be with him some day".

She's been warned about this several times.  Now they are watching her and keeping count of the number of licenses she actually processes.  I don't see it ending well for Cookie.

I am quite surprised with her lack of productivity and her complaining that she still works there.  In this day and age, you better behave yourself and do your job the best way you know how or face PD but then again by reading the stories here how long it takes (or if ever) those who are not productive etc still have work.


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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #11293 on: September 25, 2017, 01:34:06 PM »
My dad is retired, but works part-time at the driver's license center taking photos.  His position is paid through the disability office along with several others.  They have to be able to do the work according to the job description or the disability office will be called to either reprimand or replace them.

Cookie also has the same job through the disability office.  Whenever someone gets called to have their picture taken she manages to make some kind of round about pity party for herself.

Example:  patron lives in Snipsville.  Cookie says "oh, my late husband and I used to go to Snipsville all the time to go to the Greasy Spoon for breakfast but I can't go any more because he died 9 years ago and I'm not over it and can't imagine being at the Greasy Spoon without him and I just pray and pray and pray that I'll get to be with him some day".

She's been warned about this several times.  Now they are watching her and keeping count of the number of licenses she actually processes.  I don't see it ending well for Cookie.

I am quite surprised with her lack of productivity and her complaining that she still works there.  In this day and age, you better behave yourself and do your job the best way you know how or face PD but then again by reading the stories here how long it takes (or if ever) those who are not productive etc still have work.

In the US, government jobs can be very hard to lose.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #11294 on: September 25, 2017, 01:43:20 PM »
My dad is retired, but works part-time at the driver's license center taking photos.  His position is paid through the disability office along with several others.  They have to be able to do the work according to the job description or the disability office will be called to either reprimand or replace them.

Cookie also has the same job through the disability office.  Whenever someone gets called to have their picture taken she manages to make some kind of round about pity party for herself.

Example:  patron lives in Snipsville.  Cookie says "oh, my late husband and I used to go to Snipsville all the time to go to the Greasy Spoon for breakfast but I can't go any more because he died 9 years ago and I'm not over it and can't imagine being at the Greasy Spoon without him and I just pray and pray and pray that I'll get to be with him some day".

She's been warned about this several times.  Now they are watching her and keeping count of the number of licenses she actually processes.  I don't see it ending well for Cookie.

I am quite surprised with her lack of productivity and her complaining that she still works there.  In this day and age, you better behave yourself and do your job the best way you know how or face PD but then again by reading the stories here how long it takes (or if ever) those who are not productive etc still have work.
Around here, the unemployment rate is 2.7%.  We're having trouble finding qualified employees.

So, yeah, Cookie might have a government job for awhile.