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Re: Professional Darwinism
« Reply #180 on: February 25, 2010, 01:33:03 AM »
I don't disagree with that at all - but at the same time, that's why I don't have any co-workers on my Facebook (it's only a very few people).  I agree completely that even if someone feels moderately ill, they can probably still post - but then the workplace could figure the same thing.  If they felt well enough to post on Facebook, they had darned well better get themselves into the workplace.  They obviously weren't that sick.....

I'm not disagreeing at all that ill employees should stay home, just that the employer could have a different perspective.

That reminds me of a mild Professional Darwinism. I say mild because I don't think the person saw it coming. Friend calls out of work for having the flu. Friend then gets 'caught' playing hooky and fired. Where did she get caught? In the drugstore getting medicine. Apparently a co-worker had gone there too at the same time and saw her, and didn't think she looked that sick while waiting in checkout for her medication. Friend got a call saying if she wanted to keep her job she had to come in. So she went in, for fear of losing her job, just to get fired for coming in sick.  ::) ETA: I should point out that they can actually do that due to the Health Hazard involved.




On  to a more real Darwinism.


Girl I worked with was still in High School. She couldn't/didn't want to work Saturdays (Cant remember which). Then she said she had church all day Sunday and couldn't come in on those days. That's fine and all, except that was the only day the Manager could schedule her. I distinctly remember standing there as Manager and Girl have a circular conversation with the Manager repeatedly explaining that Girl isn't going to get any hours since Sunday was the only day she could schedule her. Girl kept repeatedly saying she couldn't work Sundays any more however, because of church. This went on for about ten minutes before she got her Dad involved for the same exact circular discussion.

I don't remember if she was let go/quit right then and there, or if she actually went a few weeks without being scheduled.
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« Reply #181 on: February 25, 2010, 02:21:32 AM »
I don't disagree with that at all - but at the same time, that's why I don't have any co-workers on my Facebook (it's only a very few people).  I agree completely that even if someone feels moderately ill, they can probably still post - but then the workplace could figure the same thing.  If they felt well enough to post on Facebook, they had darned well better get themselves into the workplace.  They obviously weren't that sick.....

I'm not disagreeing at all that ill employees should stay home, just that the employer could have a different perspective.

That reminds me of a mild Professional Darwinism. I say mild because I don't think the person saw it coming. Friend calls out of work for having the flu. Friend then gets 'caught' playing hooky and fired. Where did she get caught? In the drugstore getting medicine. Apparently a co-worker had gone there too at the same time and saw her, and didn't think she looked that sick while waiting in checkout for her medication. Friend got a call saying if she wanted to keep her job she had to come in. So she went in, for fear of losing her job, just to get fired for coming in sick.  ::) ETA: I should point out that they can actually do that due to the Health Hazard involved.
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Re: Professional Darwinism
« Reply #182 on: February 25, 2010, 02:23:38 AM »
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That reminds me of a mild Professional Darwinism. I say mild because I don't think the person saw it coming. Friend calls out of work for having the flu. Friend then gets 'caught' playing hooky and fired. Where did she get caught? In the drugstore getting medicine. Apparently a co-worker had gone there too at the same time and saw her, and didn't think she looked that sick while waiting in checkout for her medication. Friend got a call saying if she wanted to keep her job she had to come in. So she went in, for fear of losing her job, just to get fired for coming in sick.  ::) ETA: I should point out that they can actually do that due to the Health Hazard involved.

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I don't completely understand how this is professional darwinism?  It seems much more like a very nasty catch-22 (sick enough to need meds so went to get them, told to come in since well enough to go out, fire because came in sick).  Could you explain your thinking?

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« Reply #183 on: February 25, 2010, 02:44:44 AM »
We've just seen another case this week at my work.

We are recruiting for a new position and need someone who can plan and deliver those plans.

The interview has an hour long written test and an hour long interview.

A candidate whose CV looked wonderful comes to an interview and is put into a room to do her written test. An hour later the interviewing manager goes to get her to come for her interview. And has to wake her up. She's written about three lines of the plan she was supposed to do, didn't even get to start the second part of her test and is gently snoring away at her desk.

She said the room was hot. But she had been asked if she was comfortable, needed anything and what to do if she required anything during the test...

She is not going to be invited for a second interview ;)
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Re: Professional Darwinism
« Reply #184 on: February 25, 2010, 02:47:54 AM »
A coworker that I didn't particularly like applied for a job that I had previously applied for (and didn't get).  Four interviews later, she gets the job.  I put on my best face about it, because it did get me down.  I finally resigned myself to being happy that she was leaving when she announced that the new job didn't work out, and she was happier at the current place. 

What I later found out was she couldn't pass a drug test.  She had asked a friend to supply her with a clean sample, and friend obliged.  Unfortunately for her, friend wasn't exactly clean.  When prescription pills and cocaine(!!) showed up, the new job went away.

What is this world coming to, when you can't even count on the character of the people you ask to help you cheat a drug test?!?
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Re: Professional Darwinism
« Reply #185 on: February 25, 2010, 06:03:05 AM »
about posting on facebook when you are sick ---

this christmas I had shingles - required to stay off work because of co-workers that had never had chicken pox and a couple with comprimised imune systems. (still recovering from cancers)

all I know is that while my hand and arm hurt like the dickens - I was bored stiff and the computer was my only saveing grace

now I am not on facebook - but if I had been I would have been posting on there
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« Reply #186 on: February 25, 2010, 06:14:57 AM »
about posting on facebook when you are sick ---

this christmas I had shingles - required to stay off work because of co-workers that had never had chicken pox and a couple with comprimised imune systems. (still recovering from cancers)

all I know is that while my hand and arm hurt like the dickens - I was bored stiff and the computer was my only saveing grace

now I am not on facebook - but if I had been I would have been posting on there

yep, I had a similiar issue when a doctor said I *might*have shingles but he would have expected me to be in more pain. When I went to work afterword and mentioned it, they sent me home. At that time I had no idea that shingles was contagious. So I spent over a week at home, with the odd shopping trip. The annoying this was,  the absence still went on record. gahhh!
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Re: Professional Darwinism
« Reply #187 on: February 25, 2010, 06:20:03 AM »
well they (shingles) are not ***exactly*** contagious --as shingles---

I found out that you can pass the chicken pox around if you have them though.

and at least I got off on "disability"

It was not a fun christmas vacation
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« Reply #188 on: February 25, 2010, 08:20:22 AM »
That reminds me of a mild Professional Darwinism. I say mild because I don't think the person saw it coming. Friend calls out of work for having the flu. Friend then gets 'caught' playing hooky and fired. Where did she get caught? In the drugstore getting medicine. Apparently a co-worker had gone there too at the same time and saw her, and didn't think she looked that sick while waiting in checkout for her medication. Friend got a call saying if she wanted to keep her job she had to come in. So she went in, for fear of losing her job, just to get fired for coming in sick.  ::) ETA: I should point out that they can actually do that due to the Health Hazard involved.

I don't approve of frivolous lawsuits but these people would have been hearing from my attorney.

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« Reply #189 on: February 25, 2010, 09:39:50 AM »
If my daughter could teach a class on professional Darwinism (and personal life Darwinism for that matter) she would be rich.........except that she would blow the money faster than it came in.

She had a job a few years ago, she got it through my next door neighbor. The company she worked at needed some office help, the manager also happened to live on my street so she got the job,  she lasted all of three weeks.

Day one: She stayed up all night partying with her boyfriend, he takes her to work so she is actually there on time the first day of work, except that she had not had any sleep.  She keeps falling asleep at work the first day.  they give her a break, told her to come back the next day ready to work.

Day two: She over slept, instead of calling work and saying she was running late, she did nothing and didn't go to work.  I saw her boss when she (the boss got home from work) we talked and she said she could come back to work the next day.

The next few weeks she actually went to work.

Monday the start of her fourth week, she doesn't show up and she is summarily fired.  Why didn't she show up??????  Her friend had talked her into going with her to Shreveport on Sunday evening, swearing she would have her back in time to go to work, so she went, with her friend and her (my daughters' ) boyfriend.  the got to Shreveport about 11:00pm, her friend went and hit the Texas Hold'Em poker tables.  Around 2:00am my daughter went to get something to eat with her boyfriend and my daughter and her boyfriend got lost.  They got back to the casino around 6:00am, she had to be at work at 7:00am and it's a about a two and a half hour to three hour drive back to Dallas.  Her friend didn't want to leave the casino so she didn't even leave Shreveport until 9:00am.

My daughter was around twenty or twenty one at the time.  Needless to say I've never tried to help her get another job

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Re: Professional Darwinism
« Reply #190 on: February 25, 2010, 09:40:15 AM »
Update to Post #1:  Bob called me at 6:30a this morning saying he had hit a patch of ice and blew a tire and wouldn't be in.  (Odd, I didn't see any ice when I was driving in, but I digress...)  Two hours later, his Facebook is updated with "Icy today, think I'll stay home."  We're supposed to get 1"-3" of snow tonight so I guess we won't see him for the rest of the week.

If you need me, I'll be at work...  ::)

Wow.  :o You'd think this guy would realize Facebook isn't the place to be when you don't go into work.

Hey!  I resemble that remark!   ;)

(My almost 4 month old is sick and I'm home with her.  Since she won't let me put her down at all, we are sitting at the computer and I have facebook up as well...but my boss knows she's sick and knows I also have my work e-mail up)


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Re: Professional Darwinism
« Reply #191 on: February 25, 2010, 10:08:39 AM »
Two more that are closely related:

They fired the admin in our training department, when she came in for her final check she had the following discussion with HR:

Fired: What about my other check
HR: What other check?
Fired: The one I get from HotelY for having customers stay there.
HR: (finally a smart one in our company) I'm not sure, tell me who else gets these checks and I'll find out for you.

They ended up firing our training manager.

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I work in a primarily male industry, it involves climbing around a lot of dirty industrial equipment, there just aren't a lot of women in the field. 

We had one woman, Pam, in our services organization, and she went out of her way to try and be offended, she knew she was the only woman and really tried to take advantage of it.  I had heard horror stories about her, she didn't show up at a customer site one day because "It was her time of the month and her steel toes didn't fit her swollen feet"; she didn't call anyone, she just didn't show up.

She was involved on a pretty major project with me, I was giving her the benefit of the doubt, ignoring everything I had heard.  She shows up the first week on the project and instead of staying at the hotel the rest of team is staying at, where we had negotiated a really good rate, she stays at a nearby bed and breakfast.  We would work 9 hours M-T and then a half day on Friday and drive home (300 miles for me).  Pam decided that she didn't like the hours we were working, so instead came in 2 hours later, and left 2 hours later. We were working in a conference room do database development for the customer, there were 4 of us in the room, three of us were positioned with our backs to the center of the room, so you could see what we were doing.  Pam was sitting at the edge of the table with her back to the corner of the room, so we couldn't see what she was doing on her computer.  We were each given a portion of work we were expected to complete that week.  Friday at 11:00, after, I kid you not, painting her fingernails, Pam announces she was only able to finish a portion of her work, looking at it, she pretty much did nothing.

The project manager (PM) is irate, I stay the weekend to keep the project on schedule, and the next week (Pam is not back, the PM made sure of that) the PM asks the customer for the access times of Pam, we all had electronic ID cards to access the plant.  Even though Pam came in 2 hours after us, she would leave 15 minutes after we did.

All of this was rolled up and sent to our manager and Pam was not fired for another 6 months.  Why?  My boss explained it too me over a couple of beers one night.  The aforementioned training manager was the only African American in our group and Pam was the only woman; he said that if in the first six months in his position he fired the only black and the only woman he would be crucified in our company.

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Re: Professional Darwinism
« Reply #192 on: February 25, 2010, 10:12:51 AM »
about posting on facebook when you are sick ---

this christmas I had shingles - required to stay off work because of co-workers that had never had chicken pox and a couple with comprimised imune systems. (still recovering from cancers)

all I know is that while my hand and arm hurt like the dickens - I was bored stiff and the computer was my only saveing grace

now I am not on facebook - but if I had been I would have been posting on there

It's not so much the fact of posting on Facebook as what you post.

The person who's smart and/or honest can post about being sick, how miserable it is, even graphic details about symptoms if they want.

The person who's neither smart nor honest is the one who posts about what a good time they're having doing activities or going places that they wouldn't be able to if they were really as sick as they claimed.

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Re: Professional Darwinism
« Reply #193 on: February 25, 2010, 10:30:00 AM »
I am not in any way condemning use of Facebook.  Everyone else on my team uses it all the time.  I was just stating that Bob's repeated posting to a public forum, which he knows is being viewed in the office, when he is using perhaps less than valid reasons for being home is a poor choice. 

I posted on Facebook one day when I was off work... to complain about how sick I was.  8)

I don't disagree with that at all - but at the same time, that's why I don't have any co-workers on my Facebook (it's only a very few people).  I agree completely that even if someone feels moderately ill, they can probably still post - but then the workplace could figure the same thing.  If they felt well enough to post on Facebook, they had darned well better get themselves into the workplace.  They obviously weren't that sick.....

I'm not disagreeing at all that ill employees should stay home, just that the employer could have a different perspective.

Miss Manners said that when one takes a sick day, one owes it to one's employer to go to one's home and close the door and remain there...but one may enjoy oneself behind the closed door as much as one feels like doing so. :) While this was before computers, I think she'd probably now say that FB isn't 'behind the closed door'. I agree that one could be sitting up because one couldn't breathe lying down, and it's no worse to be using the computer than reading a magazine or watching TV...but out of respect for my employer, I wouldn't post online until after working hours, just as I wouldn't go out to run a non-necessary errand until after hours (I slept all day, and now I feel SOO much better!) I'll make an exception for people who are at the store picking up decongestants and orange juice, and looking miserable as they do so, particularly if they're single and don't have anyone to send. I remember one time a friend calling me and saying, 'I'm all out of Kleenex, so I started using toilet paper and now I'm almost out of toilet paper! Can you run to the store for me?'  This was on the weekend- I don't know what she would have done if I'd been at work since I couldn't take off for a store run for a friend.

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Re: Professional Darwinism
« Reply #194 on: February 25, 2010, 11:39:26 AM »


What is this world coming to, when you can't even count on the character of the people you ask to help you cheat a drug test?!?

ROFL!

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