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Shalamar

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3540 on: May 08, 2013, 09:15:05 AM »
WOW.  The nerve of some people! 

I have a story of my own from my first "real" job.  I was a secretary for a real estate company.  One of the Big Bosses was leaving, and on his last day he decided to take out his "girls" for lunch.  We all went in several cars to a restaurant that was fairly far from the office.  I got a ride with one of the other secretaries.  (The distance, plus the fact that I wasn't in my own car, becomes relevant.)

Big Boss started ordering drinks for everyone, and before long, he and most of the girls were rip-roaring drunk.  I'd had one drink but nothing more, because back then it always made me sleepy and I needed my wits about me to do my afternoon's work.  Well, 1:00 came and went, and no-one was making any mention of returning to the office.  I asked the girl who'd driven me whether we should think about leaving soon; she just ignored me and kept drinking.  2:00 came and went, and by this time I was absolutely frantic, knowing that my boss was probably wondering where in Hades I was.  (This was before the age of cell phones, so he had no way to get hold of me.)  I kept asking if someone could drive me back to the office, and everyone just laughed and kept drinking.  In retrospect, I should have ordered a taxi, but I was very poor and could barely make my rent.  At the very least, I should have asked the restaurant if I could use their phone to call my boss.  I was young and nave, and a lot of "coulda-woulda-shoulda" went through my head when it was too late!

FINALLY, at 3:00, I managed to convince the girl who'd driven me to drive me back.  We returned at 3:30, and as I'd expected, my boss - and all the other bosses - were furious.   Big Boss and the rest of the girls stayed behind and never returned that day. 

Almost all of us got a severe talking-to, and the only reason why I didn't was that I'd actually come back, albeit very late.  If Big Boss hadn't been leaving already, he probably would have been fired.  As it was, he left under a cloud.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3541 on: May 08, 2013, 10:02:02 AM »
This professional Darwinism was so bad it ended up on the paper...

NearbyCity Council decided to do something about young unemployed people, the ones who are out of school (with diplomas or even university degrees) but can't get a foot in the door because they lack experience. Like me.
So, the Council calls up local businesses, from shops to offices to factories, and makes them an offer: they'll take in a young person from their program and let them get a bit of experience, while the city will pay for everything, including the worker's wages. The local businesses agreed and yet the program is failing.

Why?

Well, the young, unemployed people don't like the jobs being offered and having to dress professionally.

The cases reported included:

- a girl who was supposed to work as a shop assistant in Brand X Shop. On her first day, the owner asked her not to wear clothes which obviously came from competing brands. The girl walked out and was never seen again.

- a guy left his office job because *shock and pearl-clutching* he'd have to work on  Saturdays! And wear a tie! (For the record, in this country we have classes on Saturdays both in high school and university. Just saying.)   

Reading the newspaper article made me so angry: I know there's two sides to every story, it's entirely possible they walked out for legitimate reasons, but I can't get over the fact they had a chance and they threw it away!
Most of it, I admit it, is envy. 
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siamesecat2965

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3542 on: May 08, 2013, 11:13:23 AM »
This is quite possibly the most rude thing I have ever heard, and I'm not sure it goes here but it seems to:

Big Boss invites several staff members (without spouses) to expensive restaurant as a thank you for a recent project.    As Big Boss is settling the check and people are preparing to leave, the waiter comes out with several to-go orders that some of the staff members had placed, taking dinners home to their families.   

And no, they weren't paying for them separately but expected big boss to cover it.    When questioned, one of them replied "Well, I wasn't home to cook dinner and my family has to eat too!"

The nerve of some people never ceases to amaze me. i can see placing an order to go, IF you paid for it yourself. but sticking it on the bosses' tab is very unprofessional.

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« Reply #3543 on: May 08, 2013, 12:30:14 PM »
This one came to me through the grapevine.

Company X is a big big company that sells clothes.  Company Y is a competitor.  Both companies clothing very clearly display their logo.

X calls in a contracting firm to to bid on millions of dollars worth of services.  The sales team arrives, bringing along their chief smart person to help the sale.  Chief Smart Person is decked out from head to toe in Company Y apparel.

Needlesstosay, the sale did not go through and the firm was told specifically why.  The X executive specifically told them that they didn't really seem to take this seriously, so how could they be trusted with the work?

nutraxfornerves

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« Reply #3544 on: May 08, 2013, 12:48:32 PM »
Way back in time, when the US Postal Service was not in financial straits, I read a news article in which a USPS official commented that, if a large corporation wished to formally correspond with the USPS about bidding on a project, sending the correspondence via a courier service might not be the way to make a good impression.

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Twik

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3545 on: May 08, 2013, 02:52:30 PM »
This one came to me through the grapevine.

Company X is a big big company that sells clothes.  Company Y is a competitor.  Both companies clothing very clearly display their logo.

X calls in a contracting firm to to bid on millions of dollars worth of services.  The sales team arrives, bringing along their chief smart person to help the sale.  Chief Smart Person is decked out from head to toe in Company Y apparel.

Needlesstosay, the sale did not go through and the firm was told specifically why.  The X executive specifically told them that they didn't really seem to take this seriously, so how could they be trusted with the work?

On the other hand - I did a job recently for one of the Big Car Companies. The people there commented that I was driving a car from Other Big Car Company. What did they think I would do, get a car from every company that ever used my firm, and go, "Oh, today it's Company X, I must take the 300?" I'm not paid that well.
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hjaye

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3546 on: May 08, 2013, 03:53:31 PM »
This one came to me through the grapevine.

Company X is a big big company that sells clothes.  Company Y is a competitor.  Both companies clothing very clearly display their logo.

X calls in a contracting firm to to bid on millions of dollars worth of services.  The sales team arrives, bringing along their chief smart person to help the sale.  Chief Smart Person is decked out from head to toe in Company Y apparel.

Needlesstosay, the sale did not go through and the firm was told specifically why.  The X executive specifically told them that they didn't really seem to take this seriously, so how could they be trusted with the work?

On the other hand - I did a job recently for one of the Big Car Companies. The people there commented that I was driving a car from Other Big Car Company. What did they think I would do, get a car from every company that ever used my firm, and go, "Oh, today it's Company X, I must take the 300?" I'm not paid that well.

Yeah that's kind of ridiculous to expect someone to drive a car they make because you are working for them.

On the other hand, years ago I was doing a project for Frito Lay which is owned by Pepsico.  We were working in teams, traveling to different cities and there was always at least two people with us who were actual employees of Frito Lay.  We were told as soon as we were hired, when we went out to eat with all the team members, whenever we ordered a drink, we always had to specify a Pepsi product.  If we wanted a diet soda, we were to ask for a diet Pepsi, if we were told all they carried was diet Coke, then it was ok to reluctantly agree to having a Coke instead.

Shalamar

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3547 on: May 08, 2013, 04:08:52 PM »
I used to work for Safeway, and admitting to occasionally shopping at a rival grocery store was guaranteed to provoke a shocked response.  Trouble is, we were all struggling 20-somethings, and occasionally Safeway would prove to be a bit too expensive. 

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« Reply #3548 on: May 08, 2013, 04:27:35 PM »
I worked for a large car insurance company.

It hired a lot of wives from the local military base (like me).  It was amazing how many of us were insured by the car insurance company that gives a special rate to the military and government employees.....and NOT the company that we worked for.  Because the other place had a rate which was cheaper for military spouses......

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3549 on: May 08, 2013, 05:11:38 PM »
Maybe regular Darwinism, not just PD? This picture was taken outside my office today. OSHA has been emailed a copy with date and address. Will let you know if any updates are noticed.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3550 on: May 08, 2013, 05:19:49 PM »
Way back in time, when the US Postal Service was not in financial straits, I read a news article in which a USPS official commented that, if a large corporation wished to formally correspond with the USPS about bidding on a project, sending the correspondence via a courier service might not be the way to make a good impression.

Depending on the type of RFP, there might not be time to send it via USPS.  The US Gov't is also very fond of putting an RFP out, receiving questions, sitting on the questions and then updating the proposal only a few days before its due.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3551 on: May 08, 2013, 05:46:17 PM »
Maybe regular Darwinism, not just PD? This picture was taken outside my office today. OSHA has been emailed a copy with date and address. Will let you know if any updates are noticed.


I'll admit to having done that before...but we were on our own property using our own lift for our own project.  It was actually almost quite fun...

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3552 on: May 08, 2013, 05:46:35 PM »
This is quite possibly the most rude thing I have ever heard, and I'm not sure it goes here but it seems to:

Big Boss invites several staff members (without spouses) to expensive restaurant as a thank you for a recent project.    As Big Boss is settling the check and people are preparing to leave, the waiter comes out with several to-go orders that some of the staff members had placed, taking dinners home to their families.   

And no, they weren't paying for them separately but expected big boss to cover it.    When questioned, one of them replied "Well, I wasn't home to cook dinner and my family has to eat too!"

Definitely PD. 

At the school where I worked Friday was pizza day.  Students pre-ordered the number of slices and types of pizza they wanted.  We ordered the pizzas from big name chain.  We ordered so many every week that the companies would annually bid on selling us the pizzas.  Often there would be one or two pizzas left over because the pizza place miscounted or students were ill.  The staff were offered these at the school's cost. 

Suddenly there were at least 10 extra pizzas each week.  The price also went up a dollar.  Still a great deal and I had two sons at home, so yahoo.  In the middle of the year the cafeteria manager was fired.  She had been over ordering, over charging, and using the extra money to pay for her pizzas to take home. 

When the principal confronted he told her that she could only order the number of pizzas actually required.  She responded that her husband expected her to bring home 5 free pizzas each week. 

It turned out that the principal and cafeteria manager had had a running battle over food quality.  She wanted him to let her buy prison level quality and take the "savings" as a bonus at the end of the year.  His words were basically, "h3ll no, we weren't there to make money off the students." 

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Twik

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3553 on: May 08, 2013, 10:02:24 PM »
Yeah that's kind of ridiculous to expect someone to drive a car they make because you are working for them.

On the other hand, years ago I was doing a project for Frito Lay which is owned by Pepsico.  We were working in teams, traveling to different cities and there was always at least two people with us who were actual employees of Frito Lay.  We were told as soon as we were hired, when we went out to eat with all the team members, whenever we ordered a drink, we always had to specify a Pepsi product.  If we wanted a diet soda, we were to ask for a diet Pepsi, if we were told all they carried was diet Coke, then it was ok to reluctantly agree to having a Coke instead.

Well, if I were, say, working full time for Ford, I'd try to drive a Ford (particularly as most car companies will give you a pretty good deal on their own products if you're an employee). However, I am not going to buy a new car because I'm doing a one day job for them.

I suppose I could rent a car of the appropriate brand before I visited each plant, but even that seems a pretty unreasonable expectation for someone who's a vendor, not an employee. I'm not sure how "Mustang rental" would go over on the expense report.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3554 on: May 08, 2013, 10:56:54 PM »
Gasoline:  My co-workers used to get  >:( at my buying gasoline from the cheap gas stations instead of buying our corporate brand.  My response was that it usually was that even with our 5-cent/gallon discount, it was less expensive to buy from the no-name stations.  Not to mention that it most likely corporate brand gas anyway.

The other thing people would argue with me about was my telling them that 87 gas is pretty much the same in the engine as 91 octane.  One woman kept telling me "my BIL is a mechanic and he knows."  I would say, "my DH makes the stuff and he knows down to the molecule the formulation of 87, 89, and 91 octane."