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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3705 on: May 25, 2013, 02:12:57 PM »
Likewise one of my previous jobs, the owner/manager had a security camera system up that he would actually watch and listen to the feed from home - he reprimanded one employee for talking on the phone with her boyfriend, during her long overnight shift.

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« Reply #3706 on: May 25, 2013, 02:33:19 PM »
I had a boss who called me and a shopworker into his office one day. I was to be a witness, though he didn't tell me that; I was as surprised as the employee was when the boss asked him to open his lunchbox. A widget tool was in there, with a bit of duct tape wrapped around. The employee tried to say it was his widget from home. Boss asked, oh, did you forget we have cameras?

Employee, stunned, said that yes, he had forgotten.

Amazingly he was not fired, simply warned in the presence of a witness that this was the last straw...he did keep his nose clean after that!
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3707 on: May 25, 2013, 03:50:24 PM »
A friend once worked for a large pharmaceutical company.  She said it was like working for the CIA - everything was monitored and recorded - phone calls, computer use, e-mails and there were cameras everywhere. She said "You'd be amazed at how many people get fired around here for 'playing scrabble' in the labs!"

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« Reply #3708 on: May 25, 2013, 05:31:35 PM »
Many years ago, I worked temporarily at a facility that had been converted from big-time classified government research to a benign peaceful purpose. Most of the former employees were able to transfer to the new projects. The facility was a complex of buildings surrounded by a fence, with a guarded gate.

Old timers told me that one of the biggest issues was unauthorized photography. If you were caught with a personal camera, it was confiscated and the film developed. If, as one guy told me about himself, you forgot to take your camera out of your car after attending a kiddy birthday party, you got the pictures back, as well as a royal chewing out. If you had actually photographed something, you didn't just have employment problems, you had legal problems.

They didn't routinely inspect every car leaving the site, but there were random days when they did an inspection blitz. You could tell because there was a long line waiting to leave. And because, scattered along the roadside were all sorts of things that had been jettisoned by waiting employees. Rarely cameras, but typewriters, boxes of office supplies, tools, and that sort of stuff.


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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3709 on: May 25, 2013, 07:59:44 PM »
RE: Survaillience audio.

Back in my wayward and misspent youth, I and a fellow imp got fed up with a boss using the cameras to listen in on everything and then using it against us and/or customers. So we disconnected the audio feed (yeah, back when they used dual cables) and connected it to a small tapeplayer we hid in the massive computer case they used way back then.

It was playing the same four 'Goon Show' episodes continuously.

Four days later, the boss steamed up to my mate, and told him to "undo whatever the &%^* the two of you did and put it back." He had the computer tech watch, and the tech laughed his head off when he saw it was a simple 1-2-3 solution.
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« Reply #3710 on: May 26, 2013, 02:50:47 PM »
I had a similar experience in Germany, at a concentration camp museum. I was in a building that housed artwork about the camp. I already knew enough to shoot existing light only. Suddenly, I noticed a guard staring at me. I went back to the entrance, because I was sure I hadn't seen a 'no photography' sign, and there it was...on the BACK of the door I'd come in. Yes, like everyone turns and looks at the back of a door after coming through it! Even so, it would have been a lot more useful if he'd come over to me and said 'Nein' and pointed to the camera- I doubt there are very many non-German-speaking tourists who don't understand 'nein', even if he were one of the few tourism-place employees I met on the trip who didn't speak English. Instead he just glared. I wondered how many people he glared at, who didn't guess what he was angry about, and what sort of interesting assumptions he was coming to about people from other countries.

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« Reply #3711 on: May 26, 2013, 05:14:30 PM »
I had a similar experience in Germany, at a concentration camp museum. I was in a building that housed artwork about the camp. I already knew enough to shoot existing light only. Suddenly, I noticed a guard staring at me. I went back to the entrance, because I was sure I hadn't seen a 'no photography' sign, and there it was...on the BACK of the door I'd come in. Yes, like everyone turns and looks at the back of a door after coming through it! Even so, it would have been a lot more useful if he'd come over to me and said 'Nein' and pointed to the camera- I doubt there are very many non-German-speaking tourists who don't understand 'nein', even if he were one of the few tourism-place employees I met on the trip who didn't speak English. Instead he just glared. I wondered how many people he glared at, who didn't guess what he was angry about, and what sort of interesting assumptions he was coming to about people from other countries.
Sounded like one sour kraut.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3712 on: May 26, 2013, 05:36:17 PM »
Sounded like one sour kraut.

Throwing ethnic epithets, even vintage ones, isn't really very polite, is it? Note even as a "joke."
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« Reply #3713 on: May 26, 2013, 05:39:09 PM »
Sounded like one sour kraut.

Throwing ethnic epithets, even vintage ones, isn't really very polite, is it? Note even as a "joke."

Yikes is that an ethnic slur?  I feel bad now for giggling :(  I thought it was a pun for the condiment, but didn't know kraut meant what it means about german people.  Having googled, I am glad I have been better informed!

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« Reply #3714 on: May 26, 2013, 05:49:57 PM »
Sounded like one sour kraut.

Throwing ethnic epithets, even vintage ones, isn't really very polite, is it? Note even as a "joke."

Yikes is that an ethnic slur?  I feel bad now for giggling :(  I thought it was a pun for the condiment, but didn't know kraut meant what it means about german people.  Having googled, I am glad I have been better informed!

Yeah, I thought it was funny too.  Sorry  :-\

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3715 on: May 26, 2013, 05:56:11 PM »
Is it any different from Limeys or Yanks?

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« Reply #3716 on: May 26, 2013, 06:18:32 PM »
Is it any different from Limeys or Yanks?

Yanks, at least, was used moderately affectionately by the British during WWII. I have never heard of someone of Germanic descent be referred to as a "kraut" except in the most perjorative sense.  In order to keep this thread open, I'll avoid the equivalent terms from the time and later for the Japanese.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3717 on: May 26, 2013, 08:42:34 PM »
My reaction? Ouch. As we say, sometimes it's best to keep quiet unless you know your audience. I guess the tough thing for some is when to know what is or isn't a "know your audience" comment. I only hope katana had no clue that "kraut" can be offensive to a great number of people and this was a lapse in knowledge.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3718 on: May 27, 2013, 12:27:51 PM »
I had a similar experience in Germany, at a concentration camp museum. I was in a building that housed artwork about the camp. I already knew enough to shoot existing light only. Suddenly, I noticed a guard staring at me. I went back to the entrance, because I was sure I hadn't seen a 'no photography' sign, and there it was...on the BACK of the door I'd come in. Yes, like everyone turns and looks at the back of a door after coming through it! Even so, it would have been a lot more useful if he'd come over to me and said 'Nein' and pointed to the camera- I doubt there are very many non-German-speaking tourists who don't understand 'nein', even if he were one of the few tourism-place employees I met on the trip who didn't speak English. Instead he just glared. I wondered how many people he glared at, who didn't guess what he was angry about, and what sort of interesting assumptions he was coming to about people from other countries.

Perhaps he doesn't actually have the power to enforce the rule but feels rather strongly about it?  Or perhaps you figured out for yourself that you shouldn't be taking photos and stopped before he said something.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3719 on: May 27, 2013, 01:58:36 PM »
Or perhaps he decided to give me a pass, since I was shooting existing light. Or maybe he was more concerned about my father and uncle (who were christened Der Jungsters by the German branch of the family, for their frequent sibling bickering that seemed a trifle out of place in octagenarians). But neither of them said anything about being told not to take photos.
But really...putting the sign on the BACK of the door? That really didn't make much sense.