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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4245 on: August 23, 2013, 12:56:04 PM »
One of the stories about a man who commited treason against the government was like that. He was actually put in charge of the task force to find the treasonist. He actually uncovered ANOTHER person doing it. But then he got caught - why? Because he hosted a dinner and one of his coworkers noted that his curtains were really, really, really expensive italian curtains. No way he could have afforded them on his salary.
And because of things like this, DH, then a government contractor, and all of his colleagues, and all other government employees (with the exception of the crooks in Congress) were sent questionnaires that they were REQUIRED to fill out.  Basically:

What is your declared income?
If you are married, what is your spouse's declared income?
What do you own?
Where did you get it?
How much did you pay for it?
What is it worth now?

We were supposed to give the US government a complete inventory of everything we owned, down to our pocket lint.   We've been married for almost 40 years.  There are only a few things in this house that we can definitively state what we paid for it and how much is it worth now.  Rather than do that, DH retired a year earlier than our plans called for.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4246 on: August 23, 2013, 05:35:46 PM »
One of the stories about a man who commited treason against the government was like that. He was actually put in charge of the task force to find the treasonist. He actually uncovered ANOTHER person doing it. But then he got caught - why? Because he hosted a dinner and one of his coworkers noted that his curtains were really, really, really expensive italian curtains. No way he could have afforded them on his salary.
And because of things like this, DH, then a government contractor, and all of his colleagues, and all other government employees (with the exception of the crooks in Congress) were sent questionnaires that they were REQUIRED to fill out.  Basically:

What is your declared income?
If you are married, what is your spouse's declared income?
What do you own?
Where did you get it?
How much did you pay for it?
What is it worth now?

We were supposed to give the US government a complete inventory of everything we owned, down to our pocket lint.   We've been married for almost 40 years.  There are only a few things in this house that we can definitively state what we paid for it and how much is it worth now.  Rather than do that, DH retired a year earlier than our plans called for.

Wow.  That's....insane.  I don't know if it's changed over time or is due to the agency your DH was with, but my DH who has been a contractor/employee for about a decade, has never had to fill out something in that detail. I don't blame you guys for retiring early.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4247 on: August 23, 2013, 06:49:15 PM »
When Mr. Thipu was working, his salary would be published annually in the New York Times. 

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4248 on: August 23, 2013, 07:12:59 PM »
When applying for a job:

1. Again! Be nice to the front line people when turning the application. 
2. Settle your $$$ debt with organization where you want work.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4249 on: August 23, 2013, 07:28:02 PM »
When applying for a job:

1. Again! Be nice to the front line people when turning the application. 
2. Settle your $$$ debt with organization where you want work.

*facepalm*

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4250 on: August 23, 2013, 07:32:24 PM »
When Mr. Thipu was working, his salary would be published annually in the New York Times.

Yup, you can look up my salary online. If you Google my name, that's one of the top entries. The joy of being a public servant. :P

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4251 on: August 23, 2013, 07:55:41 PM »
Ours are published in a local newspaper once a year. The glories of being a public employee are many and varied.
ďAll that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost."
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4252 on: August 23, 2013, 10:32:24 PM »
When applying for a job:

1. Again! Be nice to the front line people when turning the application. 
2. Settle your $$$ debt with organization where you want work.

Hey, you want him to pay? Hire him at an exorbitant salary!

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4253 on: August 23, 2013, 10:52:35 PM »
It's curtains for him!!  ;D  :P

Lacy, gently wafting curtains?

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4254 on: August 23, 2013, 11:08:59 PM »
cwm..it seems like the more incompetent they are, the longer it takes to fire them but from experience in management/HR, it takes longer simply because all documentation needs to be beyond reproach.  The incompetent lazy morons are much more likely to sue/file with the eeoc/file for unemployment.  The alcoholic/drug addict that is late/calls off/makes constant mistakes?  They claim they are disabled so they are protected, and I have seen the race card played too often, which is a shame because race had nothing to do with it and the other co workers of that race who bust their butts day and night are embarrassed by these slackers not realizing they are being fired for attendance issues or their shoddy work habits.  I know of one lady who filed a lawsuit citing age discrimination after she was let go.  She absolutely refused to learn how to use the computer past excel and word ..didn't show up at mandatory training classes and said if someone wanted to mail something, they could do it by snail mail because she had no time for email.  Her suit was thrown out because the company documented the heck out of the situation for 6 months..all the warnings, write ups, conversations.
I hate how people take advantage of discrimination. Incompetent prats come in all shapes, sizes, races, ages and religions. Idiocy is not discriminatory.

Incompetent people are often incredibly competent in finding and exploiting any excuse possible.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4255 on: August 23, 2013, 11:35:29 PM »
cwm..it seems like the more incompetent they are, the longer it takes to fire them but from experience in management/HR, it takes longer simply because all documentation needs to be beyond reproach.  The incompetent lazy morons are much more likely to sue/file with the eeoc/file for unemployment.  The alcoholic/drug addict that is late/calls off/makes constant mistakes?  They claim they are disabled so they are protected, and I have seen the race card played too often, which is a shame because race had nothing to do with it and the other co workers of that race who bust their butts day and night are embarrassed by these slackers not realizing they are being fired for attendance issues or their shoddy work habits.  I know of one lady who filed a lawsuit citing age discrimination after she was let go.  She absolutely refused to learn how to use the computer past excel and word ..didn't show up at mandatory training classes and said if someone wanted to mail something, they could do it by snail mail because she had no time for email.  Her suit was thrown out because the company documented the heck out of the situation for 6 months..all the warnings, write ups, conversations.
I hate how people take advantage of discrimination. Incompetent prats come in all shapes, sizes, races, ages and religions. Idiocy is not discriminatory.

Incompetent people are often incredibly competent in finding and exploiting any excuse possible.

I worked with a woman who went to some bizarre lengths to get out of doing things she didn't feel like doing. To the point that it would. Have been less work just to do it.  ::)  unfortunately it was a union job so it was easier to wait out her retirement then to actually try and get her fired.


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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4256 on: August 24, 2013, 03:32:37 AM »
One of the clerks in my office is incompetent and a know it all. She knows how to do everything better than everyone else and still she manages to mess up daily. Her supervisor won't do the documention necessary to fire her. The supervisor is going to retire at the end of this year. I heard that the incompetent clerk has the inside track to get the supervisor position because she has"seniority.

I work for the government. It's discouraging to see incompetence and a bad attitude rewarded.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4257 on: August 24, 2013, 12:19:39 PM »
My husband's in the military, so his salary is calculable if you know how long he's been in, his rank, and the zipcode he works in.  He's never got a crazy questionnaire like that one, though!  I should ask him if his friends (he has a few who have gone into government contracting) have had anything like that.  Pretty crazy.  I don't even think security clearances ask that kind of detail!
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4258 on: August 24, 2013, 05:30:13 PM »
My BFs security clearance asks that and much more. All debts, all assets, assets sold, proof of insured values, addresses of all houses you have lived in, your overseas trips ), your parents and siblings overseas trips, social media and forum memberships, and so on. And they also interview your friends and family to see if the answers match. Plus they visit his house to do the interview so they can look around. Then they repeat it all every 3 years.

The amount of information they require and how deep they dig apparently depends on the clearance level.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4259 on: August 24, 2013, 06:02:57 PM »
My BFs security clearance asks that and much more. All debts, all assets, assets sold, proof of insured values, addresses of all houses you have lived in, your overseas trips ), your parents and siblings overseas trips, social media and forum memberships, and so on. And they also interview your friends and family to see if the answers match. Plus they visit his house to do the interview so they can look around. Then they repeat it all every 3 years.

The amount of information they require and how deep they dig apparently depends on the clearance level.

I have a friend that also needs a crazy amount of clearance for his job, we joked that they even interrogated his new born son when he took the job, grilled him about what he knew of his parents whereabouts, and are keeping tabs on the baby  ;D