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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4335 on: September 04, 2013, 10:01:42 AM »
Ain't no drama like convention drama...I'm on the convention committee for a local-to-me convention, too. We've had a harassment policy for awhile, but in recent years, we've started publicizing it more with signs around the convention and such. And yes, a few people (though no concom members that I know of) have been banned due to violations of the policy.

But what we get is the "Oh, NOES, guys will be afraid to flirt or talk to anyone. Oh, NOES!!!" And that's not the point, at all. The point is, "Don't be a creeper." And if your social skills aren't quite up to snuff, then that's something you need to work on, not something that's every woman's responsibility (or not every woman you find attractive's responsibility) to educate you about.

::ahem:: Not that I feel strongly about this, or anything...

I'm sorry that people had to behave so badly over this. But good for the convention for being willing to enforce the policy, even if it did mean losing a few volunteers. And shame on the victim-blaming jerks; I hope they got (and are getting) called out on their behavior, too, because it's not ok.

POD to the bolded! I'm not a convention go-er, but I am a scientist and I am so tired of the attitude of "Well, he/she doesn't have good social skills, so just be nice to him/her!" It's not my fault that a person doesn't have good social skills and pretending that inappropriate behavior or conversation is funny certainly isn't going to encourage them to develop those social skills.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4336 on: September 04, 2013, 10:02:09 AM »
When my cousin's husband was in the ICU, his mother tried to pull that stunt because she has a PhD. In education. Which I fully respect but when your son is in the ICU & none of the very smart MDs at a major research hospital known for their skill at fixing people can figure out what is wrong with him that is not the time to insist all the doctors & nurses call you Dr. X. There are more important things to worry about.

That reminds me of when DS was in Children's after being diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes. I worked at a nursery (babies) at the time and we all wore scrubs. I kept having to tell the nurses - no, I'm not a nurse! These are just my comfortable clothes from work. :)

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« Reply #4337 on: September 04, 2013, 11:30:46 AM »
Something tells me that the company (and possibly the airline) were afraid he'd go into the DTs while detoxing on the trip home - so medical care was provided to prevent problems from cropping up on the trip.  Whether with a doctor to say that he cannot have the alcohol - or to keep it to a rate of drinking that would let him gradually go through detoxing/withdrawal without delirium tremens.

Or they could have just been afraid of being sued.....

The same reason why stumbling drunk cruise ship passengers are taken to sick bay, instead of their cabins. In case of an accident, the company doesn't want to be held responsible. While the railings are fairly high on all the decks, it is easy to go over.

Makes sense to me. Slightly OT but on my last cruise, my friend and I spent the evening at the nightclub bar. Me, drinking fancy martinis, but you could still taste teh booze, so after 4 or so, I quit. My friend, not really a drinker, was having some fruity blue punch-like drinks. When we closed it down, I had to lead her back to the cabin.  I was drunk but functional, she, not so much, so she walked behind me, with her hand on my shoulder. I then learned that at 3-4am on the ship, they have security stationed around, I'm guessing to make sure a. passengers can go back to their cabins, and b. they make it back. We had a very nice guard shadow us back.  I'm guessing had we not been coherent enough to be trusted in our cabin, we would have been taken elsewhere.
 

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4338 on: September 04, 2013, 01:22:44 PM »
Yes, and on Royal Caribbean, we have only seen one stumbling drunk person and staff zeroed in on her within two minutes. I suppose that is why they don't have too many accidents on board.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4339 on: September 04, 2013, 01:45:01 PM »
Yes, and on Royal Caribbean, we have only seen one stumbling drunk person and staff zeroed in on her within two minutes. I suppose that is why they don't have too many accidents on board.

That's so funny - my fellow travelers and I had been wondering at the lack of super drunk people.  I just assumed it was the difference between picking a higher end cruise that was geared towards an older clientele and picking one that'll suit spring breakers, but this makes much more sense lol.

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« Reply #4340 on: September 04, 2013, 01:55:05 PM »
Something tells me that the company (and possibly the airline) were afraid he'd go into the DTs while detoxing on the trip home - so medical care was provided to prevent problems from cropping up on the trip.  Whether with a doctor to say that he cannot have the alcohol - or to keep it to a rate of drinking that would let him gradually go through detoxing/withdrawal without delirium tremens.

Or they could have just been afraid of being sued.....

The same reason why stumbling drunk cruise ship passengers are taken to sick bay, instead of their cabins. In case of an accident, the company doesn't want to be held responsible. While the railings are fairly high on all the decks, it is easy to go over.

Makes sense to me. Slightly OT but on my last cruise, my friend and I spent the evening at the nightclub bar. Me, drinking fancy martinis, but you could still taste the booze, so after 4 or so, I quit. My friend, not really a drinker, was having some fruity blue punch-like drinks. When we closed it down, I had to lead her back to the cabin.  I was drunk but functional, she, not so much, so she walked behind me, with her hand on my shoulder. I then learned that at 3-4am on the ship, they have security stationed around, I'm guessing to make sure a. passengers can go back to their cabins, and b. they make it back. We had a very nice guard shadow us back.  I'm guessing had we not been coherent enough to be trusted in our cabin, we would have been taken elsewhere.
Hotel/casino security in Vegas (and I imagine other places) will also escort the very drunk to their rooms. I imagine that they would rather do that than find people sleeping it off in the hallway, making a mess and leaving it for housekeeping or other guests to find, making noise, or pounding on the door to someone else's room. All of these are just bad for business. They could call the police and have them removed, but that would also be bad for business to have a revolving door of police removing people -- not to mention that the Vegas police have more important things to do. I had the very unpleasant experience of going to Vegas with someone who wouldn't control her alcohol (she was on vacation and she wanted to party) and she was escorted back to the room almost incoherently drunk and unable to walk unassisted at 3:00 a.m. having misplaced: her room key, cell phone, wallet/ID, pashmina/scarf, and shoes. She was able to give her name so they just looked her up in the guest registry and got her to the room. I don't think they are all that concerned about getting sued.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4341 on: September 04, 2013, 02:18:04 PM »
Yes, and on Royal Caribbean, we have only seen one stumbling drunk person and staff zeroed in on her within two minutes. I suppose that is why they don't have too many accidents on board.

Same friend then managed to get up, and walk OUT of the cabin, instead of into the bathroom. i was dead asleep. i sleep like that anyway, but add in alcohol, and forget it. so she's knocking on the door, and i am out. so she sits down outside the door, to wait it out. 

security apparetnly saw her there, and they tried knocking. nope. nothing. Did i mention i sleep like the dead? so then they called the room. she said they could hear it ringing, but still nothing.  FInally, i guess after verifying she was who she was, and did belong in said cabin, they let her in. But the funniest part was she told me this the next morning and I thought she was joking! no, she was serious. Oops.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4342 on: September 04, 2013, 09:05:52 PM »
That reminds me of when DS was in Children's after being diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes. I worked at a nursery (babies) at the time and we all wore scrubs. I kept having to tell the nurses - no, I'm not a nurse! These are just my comfortable clothes from work. :)
Reminds me of the time my mom was in ICU. In the summer, I prefer to wear loose cotton pants, rather than jeans, paired with longer tops that aren't tucked in. I've been a CNA, so if Mom needed something, I'd tend to it myself, and I'd help the nurses do things like reposition her in bed. After a couple of days, I noticed the patient in the next cubicle kept looking at me. Finally it hit me...she thought I was wearing scrubs, and that I was showing entirely too much favoritism to one patient! I don't know why she didn't consider I might be a private duty nurse. ::) But there were a couple of times I thought she was going to order me to come do something for her.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4343 on: September 05, 2013, 12:44:57 AM »
Monday morning:
Boss tells me to clear up some space on one of our oldest test servers. I go through it and find a hundred gigs of old databases lying around on them. I ask boss about them, he knows nothing about them and tells me they must be random backups of our other test server, and since we back those up to somewhere different now, he tells me to delete the databases, no one is using them.

Wednesday morning:
Our support department are going into a panicky frenzy because something in our production environment isn't working.

Turns out one of my idiot coworkers set up something in the production environment to run off the oldest test server we have (the one that is barely functional and has a tendency to face-plant a lot). He didn't document this reliance, so he's the only one who knows about it. He never told anyone about the importance of this particular set of databases on the old test server.

Guess what we don't back up because it's our crappiest server, is considered disposable and no one really cares what's on that server? Basically, we're just watching in morbid fascination to see how long this server keeps limping along like a one legged zombie with a bucket stuck on its head.

It isn't going to be PD for me, because my Boss explicitly told me to delete those databases and he has no sympathy for a badly documented stupid process, so he's turning this whole thing into a learning oppurtunity for everyone as to a) why we must backup ALL our servers and b) why we need to document all processes and c) why we NEVER NEVER NEVER have production stuff linked to our test servers.

It isn't going to be PD for my coworker either, because he resigned yesterday and will be gone in a month (there was no connection between the server problems and his resignation, he'd been looking for a new job for a long time).
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4344 on: September 05, 2013, 01:06:25 PM »
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Basically, we're just watching in morbid fascination to see how long this server keeps limping along like a one legged zombie with a bucket stuck on its head.

I love this.  I'm stealing it.

My favorite line of the post too. I was chortling at that. Got some odd looks, but it's a perfect mental image.

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« Reply #4345 on: September 05, 2013, 07:40:44 PM »
My lazy new co-worker (LC) has decided to butter up her superior (the lady with MS that she skipped out of helping before). LC sent an email to the superior saying "I really miss working around you and I hope I get to work around you more soon." Which went over like a lead weight, obviously. LC recently called her in a panic about "I don't think I can do today's demo! I didn't know XYZ Product contained XYZ Ingredient! I'm allergic!" And the product name / ingredient was something very self explanatory, along the lines of Ollie's Orange Juice or Ray's Raisins. LC eats at a restaurant every day where the supposed allergy ingredient is very airborne, though.  ::)

Superior and I did get a good laugh today, though. LC had told her "I'm currently the val-der-vat-orian of my class....I'm going to open my own large business where I hire lots of nurses to go out to people's homes all over the city....No, I've never done any nursing work at all. I don't think that will be a problem, though."

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4346 on: September 05, 2013, 08:20:08 PM »
Yes, and on Royal Caribbean, we have only seen one stumbling drunk person and staff zeroed in on her within two minutes. I suppose that is why they don't have too many accidents on board.

That's so funny - my fellow travelers and I had been wondering at the lack of super drunk people.  I just assumed it was the difference between picking a higher end cruise that was geared towards an older clientele and picking one that'll suit spring breakers, but this makes much more sense lol.

I got stopped once on a Royal Caribbean cruise by staffers thinking I was drunk...I was really just VERY, VERY motion sick.  They still took me in to see the medic since I was looking decidedly green.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4347 on: September 05, 2013, 08:27:53 PM »
*sigh* I attempted PD yesterday (knowing what I was doing), and failed...

I got summoned to have a meeting with a new member of our company's board of directors; I thought it was going to be 1-on-1 but the CEO and the controller were in the meeting. I decided that I'd still get across several of the points that I would have without them. I pointed out that we hadn't hired any new people, when we were shorthanded to begin with and lost several. I pointed out that we needed new computer hardware but there were long delays in getting it. So I got to watch the CEO and the controller fall all over themselves justifying why we didn't have new people and new hardware. (The people issue is critical, when your chief tech guy is working 18 hour days and 70 hour weeks and doing tasks that a couple of juniors should be doing, you've got problems. When he's the only person with deep technical knowledge because everyone else has left, you're skiing Bandini Mountain.)

I also pointed out, politely, that nobody in management really had any experience doing the kind of work that we do. They have lots of experience at lots of things, some even related to what we do, but I'm having to teach them (when they are teachable, see my post about EVP above.) (As an analogy, think of a company that builds custom race cars for one driver, and an auto company that builds sedans that have to satisfy lots of customers, and have to produce a new model with regularity each year. I know how to run the auto company, but everybody else sort-of knows how to build race cars. There's an overlap, but some of the basic approaches are very different.) The CEO even asked me about EVP and I damned him with very faint praise.  In other words, in 15 minutes I pretty much called out the entire executive suite as incompetent and unqualified. I didn't use any bad words or call people names, but it would be hard to miss my points. newBoD seemed to get it, based on the questions he asked me.

You'd think that I would be looking for a new job today, wouldn't you?

Nope. The CEO thanked me for what I said! Because he only heard the tiny bits that sort-of supported his grand schemes. Schemes that  newBoD said, in front of all of us, were probably a bad idea. So I failed in my attempt to commit PD. Where I hope I succeeded is in getting to someone who understands the problems and has some influence.

(As an aside, I heard from a couple of people that EVP tried to throw me under the bus over an issue that was nobody's direct fault. Fortunately, that went over like a lead balloon.)
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4348 on: September 05, 2013, 08:32:33 PM »
My lazy new co-worker (LC) has decided to butter up her superior (the lady with MS that she skipped out of helping before). LC sent an email to the superior saying "I really miss working around you and I hope I get to work around you more soon." Which went over like a lead weight, obviously. LC recently called her in a panic about "I don't think I can do today's demo! I didn't know XYZ Product contained XYZ Ingredient! I'm allergic!" And the product name / ingredient was something very self explanatory, along the lines of Ollie's Orange Juice or Ray's Raisins. LC eats at a restaurant every day where the supposed allergy ingredient is very airborne, though.  ::)

Superior and I did get a good laugh today, though. LC had told her "I'm currently the val-der-vat-orian of my class....I'm going to open my own large business where I hire lots of nurses to go out to people's homes all over the city....No, I've never done any nursing work at all. I don't think that will be a problem, though."

OWOWOW  my brain is seriously hurt over this.  If she is the valdervatorian, someone pull the accreditation !

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4349 on: September 05, 2013, 08:53:50 PM »
I'd hate to meet the saldervatorian.
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