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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4440 on: September 11, 2013, 11:12:21 PM »
I'm working on a large project at a customer site with several other company's.  Another company hired a contractor to work with them.  On his first day the contractor, Joe, showed up in clothes so tight and small that when he bent over, almost his entire behind was exposed.
I wasn't going to say anything at first, thought maybe in his rush to relocate for this job he didn't realize he had outgrown these clothes.  It didn't get better, and finally after a couple of weeks there was one day when Joe was standing in the hallway talking to me, his pants were hanging down so low (because they wouldn't fasten around his belly) that his bottom was hanging out.  If he had his shirt pulled down enough to cover his butt, then he belly was exposed.  I had to report it to my manager (and project lead) who then reported it to Joe's company.  It took another week, but finally Joe started to be covered.  This was about 5 months ago and things have been fine since.

Last weekend Joe was working overtime with someone from my company, Sam.  He started complaining to Sam about getting complaints on his clothing.  I'm not sure if that's what his management told him, or just how he interpreted it, but according to Joe the issue was that he didn't wear undershirts and that we all were just major snobs about it.  Sam finally got tired of Joe's complaining and said that the issue was not that he wasn't wearing undershirts, but that he was showing too much skin.   Joe's excuse was  that no one had complained about it at his previous job.  So apparently it's okay to have your butt hanging out of your clothes at work as long as no one complains! 

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4441 on: September 12, 2013, 01:20:02 AM »
I know that someone posted about something related to this article earlier in the thread, but it seems like that offensive app is still getting people to cause PD...

Business Insider Fires CTO Over Offensive Tweets

And this is why not only is my Twitter and any other online platform not linked at all to my real name, but I also pass things through the grandma filter. If someone's grandma would probably be offended, it's best not to put it out there.

The thing that worries me about things like this are that somehow, somewhere, they've picked up the idea that *this is okay*. Sure, they could just be massively clueless but I'm afraid cynicalIris usually suspects that they have voiced this kind of comment aloud and never been reprimanded for it. It's only when they create a digital trace of it that the companies take action. Interesting assumption I know, but that's where my mind goes.

I'm sure that's true for some of them... but if it makes you feel any better, I've met/encountered quite a few people who go wayyyy further in text/email/chat than they ever would face-to-face or on the phone. It's like if it doesn't involve seeing or hearing the person they're communicating with, it's somehow not quite 'real' to them, and their social acceptability filters switch off.

They tend to be awfully surprised when they're called on it. ::)

That does make me feel a little more hopeful for the future of the human race. Thank you  :)
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4442 on: September 12, 2013, 04:13:27 AM »
The thing that worries me about things like this are that somehow, somewhere, they've picked up the idea that *this is okay*. Sure, they could just be massively clueless but I'm afraid cynicalIris usually suspects that they have voiced this kind of comment aloud and never been reprimanded for it. It's only when they create a digital trace of it that the companies take action. Interesting assumption I know, but that's where my mind goes.

I'm sure that's true for some of them... but if it makes you feel any better, I've met/encountered quite a few people who go wayyyy further in text/email/chat than they ever would face-to-face or on the phone. It's like if it doesn't involve seeing or hearing the person they're communicating with, it's somehow not quite 'real' to them, and their social acceptability filters switch off.

They tend to be awfully surprised when they're called on it. ::)

That does make me feel a little more hopeful for the future of the human race. Thank you  :)

It's even backed up by science! ;D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_disinhibition_effect

(I went googling for the Penny Arcade strip mentioned near the end of that page - warning, there's a Rude Word there - but the Wikipedia article is much more appropriate for EHell. :P)
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4443 on: September 12, 2013, 07:52:24 AM »
Heard this on the radio this morning- http://www.wral.com/-price-is-right-run-foils-fayetteville-postal-carrier-s-worker-s-comp-claim/12511076/

To sum up, a woman from NC who worked as a mail carrier filed workmans comp in 2011, claiming she could no longer "stand, sit, kneel, squat, climb, bend, reach, grasp or lift mail trays due to an on-the-job injury in 2004"

But she was seen in an episode of the price is right spinning the big wheel in 2009, and had been zip lining in 2010.

She's been charged with fraud and sentencing is this month.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4444 on: September 12, 2013, 10:12:28 AM »
I encountered a man at work yesterday who it seems has committed PD with pretty much anyone he's encountered who might have been in the position to employ him.  A Google search revealed that he has been fired from several journalist positions and proclaims himself an expert in all things dealing with "politics, history, geography, science, and math."  Seems he's tried to blackmail media outlets into giving him a job, or even to pay him to NOT print his pieces.

The university I work for is compiling information on the incident and his continued harassment of our employees, but here's the general letter I sent to my director, the university president, and our security staff after he came to my office yesterday.  I've been purposely vague in some areas.  I hope it makes sense.  Can't imagine why he's a "freelance journalist and traveling archaeologist" (his words!)


Remember this guy from a few pages back?  Well, he showed up in my office again yesterday afternoon, about 5 minutes before we closed.  When I went to see what he wanted, he started in on me for not implementing his agenda quickly enough.  I basically told him that it was closing time, and I didn't have time to address his issues today.  That started a whole new narcissistic rant, with vitriolic insults aimed at me.  He called me all manner of things, from stupid to academically and professionally incompetent.  At this point, I called security.  He then encountered a coworker of mine in the hallway outside my office, who also asked him to leave.  He verbally attacked me to coworker as well.  Security escorted him from the building. 

I learned this morning that Mr. Narcissist then wandered over to the university president's office, but was unable to see the president as he had no appointment and it was AFTER CLOSING.  He harangued the secretary there before again being escorted out by security. 

He has now been banned from campus, his name and description have been passed along to city police.  We are part of a dozen or so area historic sites which form a network to pool resources.  Since one of his targets for "fact-checking" and harassment seem to be museum-type places, they have also been notified.  I've informally passed along the info to the local newpaper my mom works for as well.

I don't know if this guy realizes how things like this play out in small towns like ours.  If he had any hopes of using his (impressive/obsessive) fact-checking skills or journalism background to gain any kind of employment around here, that's not going to happen. 

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4445 on: September 12, 2013, 10:15:45 AM »
Heard this on the radio this morning- http://www.wral.com/-price-is-right-run-foils-fayetteville-postal-carrier-s-worker-s-comp-claim/12511076/

To sum up, a woman from NC who worked as a mail carrier filed workmans comp in 2011, claiming she could no longer "stand, sit, kneel, squat, climb, bend, reach, grasp or lift mail trays due to an on-the-job injury in 2004"

But she was seen in an episode of the price is right spinning the big wheel in 2009, and had been zip lining in 2010.

She's been charged with fraud and sentencing is this month.

I'm not always sure some of these cases are fraud.  I have a knee that occasionally gives me issues due mainly to an argument I lost with a staircase.  I can still run up a staircase now and then, but doing it constantly would kill me.  And while I can still kick over my head, what kills my knee more than anything is driving.  I don't think catching someone on film performing an activity once shows that they are lying about not being able to perform said activity for 8 hours a day, especially if the activity is only slightly related to the on the job motion.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4446 on: September 12, 2013, 10:52:10 AM »
Sadly, a lot of these cases are fraud. I worked for an IME company for a short while. Part of my job required me to review the report to make sure it was correct before billing it out.

The number of times I saw video of the person doing things that they claim they can't do was alarming. More than once it came from neighbors who have been watching this person scamming the system. One case I loved, the guy was videoed lifting 2 large dogs in and  out of the back of his truck and saddling and riding his horse western style multiple times. Both of these activities from someone who could not perform his duties of working as a cake decorator because of back issues. 

I also had a coworker years ago who fell on the stairs at the office.  She claimed that she hurt her back too badly to do her job of dispatching trucks via a radio. The company tried all sorts of things including getting her a headset so that she could walk around and not have to sit at the dispatch desk.  It was just too much for her back. She was fired when she made the papers for bowling a perfect game at a bowling league tournament.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4447 on: September 12, 2013, 11:48:27 AM »
I have one of those in my office now. Because of a bad back he can't "sit, stand, walk or lift anything" and he makes a good show of hobbling around the office and leaving early pretty much every day because he's in so much pain...unless you ask him about his band that he's in...he's the drummer and they just signed a record deal.  ::)
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4448 on: September 12, 2013, 02:28:17 PM »
Not sure if this counts as PD or Special Snowflakedom, but a while back when I was working for Big Blue, the project I was on had a heavy unmovable deadline.   We were told one day that we would all have to work late testing the new system, it was all hands on deck, pizza would be provided, and we wouldn't go home until it was all done.  That was fine with all of us except for Owen.  Owen was a complainer, and he made it clear that he was NOT happy with having to work late.  None of us were, of course, but he was the only one who kvetched about it.

Come 4:00, we all started working hard - and then someone said "Where's Owen?"  His desk was empty, and his coat was gone.  He'd managed to slip out and go home while we weren't looking.  The boss couldn't believe it (neither could we!).

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4449 on: September 12, 2013, 02:35:40 PM »
Heard this on the radio this morning- http://www.wral.com/-price-is-right-run-foils-fayetteville-postal-carrier-s-worker-s-comp-claim/12511076/

To sum up, a woman from NC who worked as a mail carrier filed workmans comp in 2011, claiming she could no longer "stand, sit, kneel, squat, climb, bend, reach, grasp or lift mail trays due to an on-the-job injury in 2004"

But she was seen in an episode of the price is right spinning the big wheel in 2009, and had been zip lining in 2010.

She's been charged with fraud and sentencing is this month.

I'm not always sure some of these cases are fraud.  I have a knee that occasionally gives me issues due mainly to an argument I lost with a staircase.  I can still run up a staircase now and then, but doing it constantly would kill me.  And while I can still kick over my head, what kills my knee more than anything is driving.  I don't think catching someone on film performing an activity once shows that they are lying about not being able to perform said activity for 8 hours a day, especially if the activity is only slightly related to the on the job motion.

Indeed. My uncle fell down an elevator shaft one day at work -- and due to the nature of his injry, he has trouble standing for long periods of time, but he can ski with no issues.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4450 on: September 12, 2013, 02:58:18 PM »
Heard this on the radio this morning- http://www.wral.com/-price-is-right-run-foils-fayetteville-postal-carrier-s-worker-s-comp-claim/12511076/

To sum up, a woman from NC who worked as a mail carrier filed workmans comp in 2011, claiming she could no longer "stand, sit, kneel, squat, climb, bend, reach, grasp or lift mail trays due to an on-the-job injury in 2004"

But she was seen in an episode of the price is right spinning the big wheel in 2009, and had been zip lining in 2010.

She's been charged with fraud and sentencing is this month.

I'm not always sure some of these cases are fraud.  I have a knee that occasionally gives me issues due mainly to an argument I lost with a staircase.  I can still run up a staircase now and then, but doing it constantly would kill me.  And while I can still kick over my head, what kills my knee more than anything is driving.  I don't think catching someone on film performing an activity once shows that they are lying about not being able to perform said activity for 8 hours a day, especially if the activity is only slightly related to the on the job motion.

Indeed. My uncle fell down an elevator shaft one day at work -- and due to the nature of his injry, he has trouble standing for long periods of time, but he can ski with no issues.

Rob

But wouldn't he be honest about it?

We have people at work who are on modified duties because of injury. The doctor is usually very specific "So-and-so cannot lift anything over ten pounds" but if they can stand, walk, etc. they have to. They just can't lift things. If they can bend, but not walk for any length of time (broken ankle) that is what gets put in the medical note.

If they said they couldn't do anything at all, ever, and then went skiing, yes, I'd think they were lying.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4451 on: September 12, 2013, 03:45:52 PM »
Heard this on the radio this morning- http://www.wral.com/-price-is-right-run-foils-fayetteville-postal-carrier-s-worker-s-comp-claim/12511076/

To sum up, a woman from NC who worked as a mail carrier filed workmans comp in 2011, claiming she could no longer "stand, sit, kneel, squat, climb, bend, reach, grasp or lift mail trays due to an on-the-job injury in 2004"

But she was seen in an episode of the price is right spinning the big wheel in 2009, and had been zip lining in 2010.

She's been charged with fraud and sentencing is this month.

I'm not always sure some of these cases are fraud.  I have a knee that occasionally gives me issues due mainly to an argument I lost with a staircase.  I can still run up a staircase now and then, but doing it constantly would kill me.  And while I can still kick over my head, what kills my knee more than anything is driving.  I don't think catching someone on film performing an activity once shows that they are lying about not being able to perform said activity for 8 hours a day, especially if the activity is only slightly related to the on the job motion.

I have a lot of friends that work for the post office, it seems getting workers comp from them is not that difficult.  I realize I'm just seeing a small segment, but I know of about four different people who are now on 100% disability from the post office.  I know at least one of them has absolutely no limitations to what they can do at all.  This person is still relatively young, works out at the gym, walks, runs, lifts things, carries things.... I personally think it's an insult to people who really are disabled and have legitimate workers comp claims, and every time I see or hear something about the post office going broke, I can't help but think it's people like her that are part of the problem.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4452 on: September 12, 2013, 07:29:29 PM »
I guess these fraudulent WC "workers" are committing PD in a sense; They are going to lose their "disability" jobs and have to get real jobs.

My husband is permanently disabled from a fall at work.  He lives in constant pain interrupted by intense, acute pain that goes through his body like an electrical shock.  His WC carrier has charged him with fraud because they found pictures I posted on the internet of DH riding his therapy horse.  There is so much he cannot do with a horse: Catch it, put the halter/bridle/saddle on, bend over to clean the hooves, etc. and he needs someone to take the horse over to the mounting blocks.  Then, when he's riding, he can only walk.  We found the perfect horse for him.  She somehow knew that he could not ride her at anything but a walk and she only walked (even up and down slopes) when he rode her.  Novalee also had a particular way of walking that was really therapeutic for the lower back.  My friend had a strained back and just riding Nova around for 15 minutes had her feeling much improved.

Unfortunately, Novalee died in January 2013, the day before DH received that legal papers alleging fraud.  We haven't been able to find the right horse to replace her and DH's condition is deteriorating (in part because he now has no physical therapy), so he may never be able to ride again.  I know I will never post pictures on the internet again.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4453 on: September 13, 2013, 12:06:22 AM »
As someone who spent over 15 years volunteering for a theraputic riding program which was part of a local rehab hospital & required a doctor's prescription to get into....50 lashes with a frozen haddock for that insurance company.

Horseback riding can be a FANTASTIC form of rehab.  Since I spent so long with the program I was able to follow several patients through multiple years & see the improvements that they made.  Some were slight, some were very dramatic.  One young man who had been in a car accident started having to be strapped into his wheelchair & even have his head strapped because he could not hold it upright.  The last time I saw him he was walking with crutches & was back in school.

I hope your insurance company wises up & that you can find another wonderful horse for your DH, Midnight Kitty.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4454 on: September 13, 2013, 12:43:21 AM »
Sadly, a lot of these cases are fraud. I worked for an IME company for a short while. Part of my job required me to review the report to make sure it was correct before billing it out.

The number of times I saw video of the person doing things that they claim they can't do was alarming. More than once it came from neighbors who have been watching this person scamming the system. One case I loved, the guy was videoed lifting 2 large dogs in and  out of the back of his truck and saddling and riding his horse western style multiple times. Both of these activities from someone who could not perform his duties of working as a cake decorator because of back issues. 

I also had a coworker years ago who fell on the stairs at the office.  She claimed that she hurt her back too badly to do her job of dispatching trucks via a radio. The company tried all sorts of things including getting her a headset so that she could walk around and not have to sit at the dispatch desk.  It was just too much for her back. She was fired when she made the papers for bowling a perfect game at a bowling league tournament.

Someone at my old job got fired, showed up to peacefully talk it over with my bosses and then went home. Because the talk didn't result in a rehire, she later tried to file workman's comp "because I tripped on the railroad gravel leaving the office and cut my knee open very badly. I was sitting outside crying in pain." She was disappointed this scam didn't pan out. She called us after the claim was denied to cry, scream and threaten us with "IT REALLY HAPPENED! YOU ARE HURTING MY FEELINGS! I AM NOT A LIAR!....*vitriolic, illogical rant*....HOW DARE YOU POINT OUT ALL THE CONTRADICTING STORIES I'VE GIVEN YOU & WC ABOUT THE INCIDENT! I DIDN'T THINK TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL OR LET YOU GUYS KNOW I WAS HURT, BUT THAT ISN'T THE POINT!" After that, the rule was "do not ever connect NuttyGirl when she phones us."