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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #5910 on: June 28, 2014, 03:27:15 PM »
A rash of PD cases came across my desk.  We have a position open and my boss likes to have everyone in our little department review the applications.  We had a slew of applicants whose applications were either incomplete or had horrible spelling, grammar and punctuation.  Why would you fill out an application for a professional position without following standard capitalization rules for proper nouns and the first letter of sentences?  One or two errors I dismissed as a typo but a consistent pattern was enough to get my "no" vote.

Another few had odd letters with their applications - they wrote about themselves in the third person as though it was a reference letter.  I'm wondering if they got some bad advice or misunderstood some good advice from a career website, or if this is normal practice in some areas...

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #5911 on: June 28, 2014, 08:15:26 PM »
Another few had odd letters with their applications - they wrote about themselves in the third person as though it was a reference letter.  I'm wondering if they got some bad advice or misunderstood some good advice from a career website, or if this is normal practice in some areas...

The most hilarious version I've seen of that was an unauthorized biography about Drew Carey. There were several random lapses into first person. Oops. So much for "unauthorized"  >:D

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #5912 on: June 29, 2014, 11:45:11 AM »
If you've already tried to get a day off and were told no, don't promptly call in sick for that day.   The bosses aren't stupid.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #5913 on: June 29, 2014, 12:35:01 PM »
If you've already tried to get a day off and were told no, don't promptly call in sick for that day.   The bosses aren't stupid.

We've had that happen.  I wonder if employees realize that when they do this then later apply for better positions in the department, that we take past behavior into consideration?

I once had an employee, when we wouldn't grant her way-past-deadline time off request, state she was going to then claim the day for FMLA reasons (FMLA is protected sick leave, and she had FMLA on file).  She was warned that  should she do that, the repercussions would not be good as she'd already requested it as a vacation day. She actually opted not to go that route and reported for work. (note that when they want time off and it's past deadline, it's up to the employee to find someone to pick up his/her shift).

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #5914 on: June 29, 2014, 03:53:12 PM »
If you've already tried to get a day off and were told no, don't promptly call in sick for that day.   The bosses aren't stupid.

We have people do this all the time - drives me batty!!  And it's usually turned down because they requested it way at the last minute and the schedule had already bee written if. It posted. Double batty if the day is a holiday (like July 4 here in the US)

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #5915 on: June 29, 2014, 04:18:47 PM »
On the flip side, DH requested his July vacation time way back in February.  Friday the bosses started panicking about production, because no one had been keeping track of vacation requests and many employees had requested time off in July.  For a while it looked like his request would be canceled, but they finally confirmed it.  Managers who can't be bothered to actually manage...ugh.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #5916 on: June 29, 2014, 08:43:51 PM »
I had one just play out.  Jason was an assistant manager to the branch manager, Karen.  There were accusations that the two had become way more than friendly, and although no wrong doing was uncovered it was decided prudent to assign Jason to a different branch.  Now I think that Jason, being young and just out of college, had assumed that being a manager was a free ticket to the easy life.  In the course of a year:

1. Customer drops his checkbook on the floor.  Another customer picks it up and forges it to pay for their own car registration.  Jason was the one who processed the transaction, and never realized that the name on the check did not match, and never questioned it (We are supposed to ask for the driver's license number of the person who wrote the check -- Jason didn't do this.)

2. All checks are collected, balanced to the check total at End of Day, and placed in one envelope to go to the bank the next morning.  Jason, for some unknown reason, placed his checks in a separate envelope and dropped them into the bottom of the safe.  Next morning, he forgot completely that his checks were in a different spot, and he forgot to pull them to go to the bank.  It was only a few days later, when the bank was questioning the deposit discrepancy that he finally remembered these 10 checks.

3.  He started out earning 4 hours of annual leave per 2 weeks, which equals 13 days of annual per year.  Jason put in for all this vacation time at the beginning of the summer.  The region manager had to redo everything once she realized that he did not yet qualify for all the time he asked for.  "But I get 13 days a year," he said.  Yes, and at the end of the year that is how it will add up, but you actually have to earn it first.  It's kind of like writing checks for money that you will be depositing 6 months later.

4.  The big one.  He was talking to his new manager on a Monday morning, and a clerk comes storming in: "Why did you stand me up Saturday night?  And you turned your phone off too?"  We have been trained over and over again, and had it drummed into our head that a supervisor dating someone they manage is a recipe for disaster.  Accusations of sexual harassment, and accusations of favoritism often follow.  He had just survived one accusation of sexual misconduct, and he was diving right back into it.  Jason, dude, keep it out of your work place. 

Now, Jason is a really nice guy, and not stupid.  But just very unaware of how work places operate.  After the first instance, I would have put my head down, and just worked hard.  But Jason never really showed a sense of what managers in our department are expected to do.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #5917 on: June 29, 2014, 08:54:45 PM »


Now, Jason is a really nice guy, and not stupid.  ...

Are you sure about that?   :D

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #5918 on: June 29, 2014, 09:14:45 PM »
If you've already tried to get a day off and were told no, don't promptly call in sick for that day.   The bosses aren't stupid.
And if you do call in sick don't come back to work with brand new out-of-state license plates on your car.  Local law says you have to get local plates when you move.  Someone will turn you in.  My co-worker committed both Professional Darwinism and Personal Darwinism.   

She was eventually fired, but not over this issue. 

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #5919 on: June 29, 2014, 09:33:19 PM »
If you've already tried to get a day off and were told no, don't promptly call in sick for that day.   The bosses aren't stupid.
And if you do call in sick don't come back to work with brand new out-of-state license plates on your car.  Local law says you have to get local plates when you move.  Someone will turn you in.  My co-worker committed both Professional Darwinism and Personal Darwinism.   

She was eventually fired, but not over this issue.

I'm confused.  Does that mean she was moving to other state?

ETA -- didn't mean to turn my post lime green; that was odd.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #5920 on: June 29, 2014, 10:16:45 PM »
It sounds more like she went to another state to get new (possibly cheaper?) license plates for her *current* car - or possibly to avoid emissions testing?

I've lived several places where the exhaust was tested & cars might have to be repaired to pass the inspection before a new sticker or license plate would be issued.

We were a military family - so there were some differences that applied ONLY to active duty military - but we still had to have the license plates issued in the state where the military base was, rather than the state where our "official" (pre-military residence) home of record had been. 

Usually, you have to have an address in the state where you get the license plate - so it might have been that she was considered to have committed fraud on official documents that caused the issue to escalate to firing so quickly.

*Current* car meaning the one she'd been driving to work for a while...so it was kind of obvious that she was trying to save money in a rather shady way...
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #5921 on: June 30, 2014, 03:42:28 AM »
I read this as she bought the car out of state and had that state's temporary tags on it. These would be valid for 30/60 days until the permanent tags from the state of residence were ready. Meanwhile the vehicle will probably need to be inspected/registered as well...

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #5922 on: June 30, 2014, 05:41:57 AM »
If you've already tried to get a day off and were told no, don't promptly call in sick for that day.   The bosses aren't stupid.
And if you do call in sick don't come back to work with brand new out-of-state license plates on your car.  Local law says you have to get local plates when you move.  Someone will turn you in.  My co-worker committed both Professional Darwinism and Personal Darwinism.   

She was eventually fired, but not over this issue.

Not sure how this is personal Darwinism? Wouldn't that require somebody dying?
 
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #5923 on: June 30, 2014, 08:51:22 AM »
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3.  He started out earning 4 hours of annual leave per 2 weeks, which equals 13 days of annual per year.  Jason put in for all this vacation time at the beginning of the summer.  The region manager had to redo everything once she realized that he did not yet qualify for all the time he asked for.  "But I get 13 days a year," he said.  Yes, and at the end of the year that is how it will add up, but you actually have to earn it first.  It's kind of like writing checks for money that you will be depositing 6 months later.


This one doesn't seem as bad as the rest, to me. In my experience, it's not uncommon to be able to take leave before you have accrued it , in any given year - if you were to leave/be fired you would potentially have to pay back the 'over drawn' days, or would have the appropriate amount deducted from your final pay slip.  As an example, our holiday year runs from 1st January, but becaue Jan. 2nd  is on Friday next year, a lot of people in our office have already booked that day off (1st is a bank holiday here so we will be closed anyway) so they don't have to come in until Monday.
It sounds as though Jason has plenty of other PD issues, and I can see that it could be PD if he argues with his manager about what he was entitled to.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #5924 on: June 30, 2014, 08:57:31 AM »
I've never worked anywhere where employees could take more leave than what they had accrued at that point.
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