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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #6030 on: July 23, 2014, 10:46:24 PM »
A marine biologist had his research plagiarized by a 12 year old, the daughter of his former supervisor's best friend.

http://www.cflas.org/was-lionfish-research-hijacked-by-12-year-old-from-palm-beach-florida/

http://www.newser.com/story/191365/marine-biologist-6th-grader-stole-my-idea.html

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #6031 on: July 23, 2014, 10:57:47 PM »
What on earth were they doing with live rounds even aboard the ship??? :o

I'm glad I'm not the only one wondering that. :)

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #6032 on: July 24, 2014, 12:07:00 AM »
A marine biologist had his research plagiarized by a 12 year old, the daughter of his former supervisor's best friend.

http://www.cflas.org/was-lionfish-research-hijacked-by-12-year-old-from-palm-beach-florida/

http://www.newser.com/story/191365/marine-biologist-6th-grader-stole-my-idea.html

I feel bad for Zud.  He's right...it will look like he's trying to steel a little girl's thunder and I'm sure people are going to haze him even though it's clearly his work.  At 12/13 years old, I knew better than to plagiarize or even have a parent do my project for me!  Her father is going to lose a lot of clout over this, and well he should.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #6033 on: July 24, 2014, 08:46:11 AM »
What on earth were they doing with live rounds even aboard the ship??? :o

I'm glad I'm not the only one wondering that. :)

Trust me, the rest of us in the Tall Ship community were wondering the same thing.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #6034 on: July 24, 2014, 09:42:53 AM »
A marine biologist had his research plagiarized by a 12 year old, the daughter of his former supervisor's best friend.

http://www.cflas.org/was-lionfish-research-hijacked-by-12-year-old-from-palm-beach-florida/

http://www.newser.com/story/191365/marine-biologist-6th-grader-stole-my-idea.html

I feel bad for Zud.  He's right...it will look like he's trying to steel a little girl's thunder and I'm sure people are going to haze him even though it's clearly his work.  At 12/13 years old, I knew better than to plagiarize or even have a parent do my project for me!  Her father is going to lose a lot of clout over this, and well he should.

Poor guy. I agree- he's going to get blamed by a lot of people. Hopefully academia will hammer Dad on this one.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #6035 on: July 24, 2014, 10:18:08 AM »
A marine biologist had his research plagiarized by a 12 year old, the daughter of his former supervisor's best friend.

http://www.cflas.org/was-lionfish-research-hijacked-by-12-year-old-from-palm-beach-florida/

http://www.newser.com/story/191365/marine-biologist-6th-grader-stole-my-idea.html

I feel bad for Zud.  He's right...it will look like he's trying to steel a little girl's thunder and I'm sure people are going to haze him even though it's clearly his work.  At 12/13 years old, I knew better than to plagiarize or even have a parent do my project for me!  Her father is going to lose a lot of clout over this, and well he should.

Poor guy. I agree- he's going to get blamed by a lot of people. Hopefully academia will hammer Dad on this one.

I've been reading some of the articles and it looks like many institutions and media are coming down on Jud's side, not the 12 year old.  One institution actually came right out and said they were sorry for attributing it to her and not him.  They didn't use the word plagiarize, but did use words like honesty and integrity :)

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #6036 on: July 24, 2014, 10:56:00 AM »
I guess I can't blame her all that much, either - it's not like science fair projects are usually held to an academic standard of "nobody has ever done this ever."  I can see coming up with the idea, her dad helping her refine it, and assuming it would be good for a sixth-grader - not expecting her results to be catapulted into the realm of news and public policy and all that. As a science fair project, there's nothing wrong with saying "this is an idea and I got a proof of concept and it's kind of cool" without expecting more.

Rather, I would place the blame on whoever took a science fair project and made assertions/assumptions about it being the first research on that topic without doing a survey of existing studies.  That could have been her, her dad, the media, someone at the science fair, etc. - really haven't seen that detail in any of the coverage.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #6037 on: July 24, 2014, 07:44:15 PM »
I agree with Slartibartfast.  A science fair project isn't a thesis paper; they usually replicate some sort of experiment that has already been done.  I think her basic concept was fantastic and it sounds like she did a lot of research, then set up a basic experiment.  I wouldn't even have necessarily have expected a 12-year-old to recognize, when others jumped on her project and said, "This is original, this goes beyond what anybody else has done," for her to recognize whether or not it really was original.  I mean, so many "new" concepts are built on old ones and are maybe even just slight variants that prove new things. 

But I *do* think that her father should have recognized it, and these science news people should have recognized it before jumping all over the story, etc.  Also, her father?  What an elitist snob he comes across as, with all of his attitude of "well, it doesn't matter whether you did the work or not, you're just a graduate student and people would rather hear about the work of a *professor*, so it doesn't matter if they incorrectly attribute it to the wrong person because nobody wants to hear about the work of a graduate student who isn't a professor."  Yuck.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #6038 on: July 24, 2014, 10:53:08 PM »
I guess I can't blame her all that much, either - it's not like science fair projects are usually held to an academic standard of "nobody has ever done this ever."  I can see coming up with the idea, her dad helping her refine it, and assuming it would be good for a sixth-grader - not expecting her results to be catapulted into the realm of news and public policy and all that. As a science fair project, there's nothing wrong with saying "this is an idea and I got a proof of concept and it's kind of cool" without expecting more.

Rather, I would place the blame on whoever took a science fair project and made assertions/assumptions about it being the first research on that topic without doing a survey of existing studies.  That could have been her, her dad, the media, someone at the science fair, etc. - really haven't seen that detail in any of the coverage.

As someone who knows nothing about Marine Biology, I absolutely thought this little girl solely made an amazing discovery about Lionfish. Nowhere did it even mention the other man, except a blurb at the end about how he had taken the experiment a step further and found the fish can survive in even less salinity. I think if the girl and her father didn't intentionally mislead people, they certainly didn't try very hard to get the truth out there. I haven't seen any indication that, as soon as the story broke, they tried to contact any media outlets and say "No, wait, you got it wrong!"

I think the coincidence is far too strong for her father not to have influenced her and she's old enough to know better. Unless the dad admits that he suggested her topic and she had no idea the work was already underway, they should both be embarrassed.

edited to add- I've done a bit more digging on this and one thing that really sticks out to me is that both the girl and her dad claimed that, until her project, nobody had studied whether or not the fish were in rivers. Well that's funny because her dad is named on a paper about that very subject, that was published before her project. Did he simply forget? She did cite some of those other papers but not the one about lionfish in estuaries. Is it because she was unaware that the study had been done? If so, she's off the hook, but he's not.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #6039 on: July 25, 2014, 08:39:39 AM »
I'm just astonished that we were expected to believe a 12 year old girl obtained six lionfish (you know, large poisonous fish?) and all their accoutrements by herself. She didn't go out with a guppy net and scoop them up out of the local stream. It's sort of like seeing a soap box derby entry that has a precision-milled fibreglass body, and $10,000 worth of undercarriage. "Yes, it's my own work, the fact that my father is a designer at a major automotive company is totally unconnected."

Clearly this was a project mostly done by an adult, and while a 12 year old will most likely *not* be aware of the details of what is and isn't plagiarism, her father most certainly is. I suspect that Daddy wants people to believe his princess is a genius. Doing it on his own is bad enough, but doing it by stealing someone else's work and ideas is horrible.
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« Reply #6040 on: July 25, 2014, 09:47:19 AM »
I couldn't find an Absolute Stupidity thread, and I suspect this cashier is on her way out of a job, so putting this here. 

Yesterday at the grocery store, I was coming down the bakery aisle and witnessed a woman getting a special order cake from the bakery.  She and the bakery worker were very careful in handling the box and getting it settled in the woman's cart.  I grabbed my stuff and headed up front.

Got behind cake woman in line.  The box was a not-terribly-large, rectangular box, and had the order slip with the bar code price tag attached taped with one piece of tape to the top of the box.  Cake Woman took the order sheet off the box and handed it to the cashier.  All the cashier had to do was scan it.  Nope.  The cashier demanded that the woman place the order sheet/barcode back on the bakery box and place the box on the belt.  The woman very carefully lifted the box out of her cart and sat it on the belt as instructed.

The cashier grabbed the box, flipped it upside down and attempted to scan it.  The order sheet fluttered, so she kept at it, running the box back and forth over the scanner.  She finally turned the box upright, tore off the order sheet, and scanned it.  She then took the box and placed it on end in a grocery bag, having to push the sides of the box in to get it to fit, pulled the bag off the stand and laid it on the counter, with the bakery box upside down.  During the original flipping of the box, I could see this mishmash of icing on the window in the bakery box, so the cake was a mess.  Having the sides of the box compressed probably didn't help.

Cake woman stood there in wordless shock, with her mouth open.  The cashier said something to the woman about paying.

I got in another line, and as I was leaving, Cake Woman was still there, but the manager was present. 

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #6041 on: July 25, 2014, 09:52:45 AM »
I'd have started crying right there if that was my cake, but I am also very emotional right now.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #6042 on: July 25, 2014, 10:15:42 AM »
I'd have started crying right there if that was my cake, but I am also very emotional right now.
Me too.  Special order cakes have to be ordered several days ahead of time, and whatever was being celebrated was probably that day or the next, with no time to make another. 
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #6043 on: July 25, 2014, 10:38:44 AM »
What on earth were they doing with live rounds even aboard the ship??? :o

I'm glad I'm not the only one wondering that. :)

Trust me, the rest of us in the Tall Ship community were wondering the same thing.

Skeet shooting? Piracy protection?
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #6044 on: July 25, 2014, 10:48:49 AM »
The cashier grabbed the box, flipped it upside down and attempted to scan it.

I saw this coming, yet flinched when I read it.
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