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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #2805 on: September 11, 2012, 11:51:03 PM »
I'm not really knowledgeable in this sorta stuff, so maybe I'm wrong, but I'm thinking somebody in trouble here.

My mom's company builds widgets. Basically, you order a widget, they build the widgets, they ship the widgets, in that order. This format has served the company well for a good long time. It works. Everything was going well. They were headed for a nice yearly profit.

About three months ago the company hired a new High-Muckity-Muck, who decided to change how they do things. Essentially, instead of waiting for Company A to order Widget A, then building it and sending it to them, now they're building Widget A in the hopes that Company A will order them because they did last year. So now, they're rebuilding all of last year's orders in the hopes of having them repeated this year.

Well, yesterday an e-mail went out from the Highest-Muckity-Muck to all the workers. Apparently, since the change, the company has lost over half a million dollars. In three months.

Once again, can't say I'm an expert. Maybe that's the real way you run the widget industry. Maybe it's not his fault. But...

I worked for a company that did a lot of stuff like this...  They don't exist anymore.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #2806 on: September 12, 2012, 10:03:36 AM »
I'm not sure why, but when somebody talks about 'widgets' I always picture those small freebie window scrapers that sometimes get handed out at business expos here in the Midwest.  ???
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #2807 on: September 12, 2012, 10:12:23 AM »
We have been told (and I'm only slightly paraphrasing here) "morale is low so you all need to cheer up! Oh and work harder, because upper management all think youre incompetant at your jobs.".

"The beatings will continue until morale improves."

 I worked for a company once with high turonver, terrible morale, etc.  They got an outside company to come in and administer one of those 'be completely honest, it's all anonymous' surveys.  And then we all got called in to a group meeting and were told by the owner that if we hated it that much, we were all free to leave because we could be replaced within 24 hours, and if we all didn't improve our attitude, he would start firing people in batches of 10 and replacing them until he had a happy G*d* workplace.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #2808 on: September 12, 2012, 10:19:43 AM »
My mom works in the cafeteria of my university. She is also now a supervisor/cashier/Jill of all trades. There was an employee that will be called "Red". Red had been shirking her duties and being a brat at times, and as such was on final warning.

Yesterday she asked to go back to her dorm to grab something for "feminine issues" and never came back. When mom texted me at her dinner break, Red had already been gone for over 2 hours. She also said that everyone was just hoping that she had quit.

Great way to start your work history Red...

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #2809 on: September 12, 2012, 11:51:52 AM »
I worked for a company once with high turonver, terrible morale, etc.  They got an outside company to come in and administer one of those 'be completely honest, it's all anonymous' surveys.  And then we all got called in to a group meeting and were told by the owner that if we hated it that much, we were all free to leave because we could be replaced within 24 hours, and if we all didn't improve our attitude, he would start firing people in batches of 10 and replacing them until he had a happy G*d* workplace.

Friend of mine worked for a company that was much better than the ones being discussed here, at least in most ways. They even offered to cover the cost of sessions with a psychologist they had on retainer. So my friend went to the shrink and talked out some problems she was having at work. Nothing huge, but it helped to discuss it.

Then, of course, her supervisor started commenting and acting on information that she could only have received from the psychologist. And not just in theoretically good ways, but subtly criticizing my friend. My friend kept seeing the shrink, but only as a means of disinformation - "Oh, I'm working so hard" or "I'm putting in so much unpaid overtime," and various other things that might not have been entirely true but would only affect her job if the psychologist was massively unethical. Which it turned out she was, continuously. But hey, friend's boss loved her.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #2810 on: September 12, 2012, 01:39:05 PM »
Friend of mine worked for a company that was much better than the ones being discussed here, at least in most ways. They even offered to cover the cost of sessions with a psychologist they had on retainer. So my friend went to the shrink and talked out some problems she was having at work. Nothing huge, but it helped to discuss it.

Then, of course, her supervisor started commenting and acting on information that she could only have received from the psychologist. And not just in theoretically good ways, but subtly criticizing my friend. My friend kept seeing the shrink, but only as a means of disinformation - "Oh, I'm working so hard" or "I'm putting in so much unpaid overtime," and various other things that might not have been entirely true but would only affect her job if the psychologist was massively unethical. Which it turned out she was, continuously. But hey, friend's boss loved her.

 :o  This sounds like a prime person to report to the The American Psychological Association's (APA) for ethical violations - patient confidentiality is a must!

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #2811 on: September 12, 2012, 04:34:45 PM »
I worked for a company once with high turonver, terrible morale, etc.  They got an outside company to come in and administer one of those 'be completely honest, it's all anonymous' surveys.  And then we all got called in to a group meeting and were told by the owner that if we hated it that much, we were all free to leave because we could be replaced within 24 hours, and if we all didn't improve our attitude, he would start firing people in batches of 10 and replacing them until he had a happy G*d* workplace.

Friend of mine worked for a company that was much better than the ones being discussed here, at least in most ways. They even offered to cover the cost of sessions with a psychologist they had on retainer. So my friend went to the shrink and talked out some problems she was having at work. Nothing huge, but it helped to discuss it.

Then, of course, her supervisor started commenting and acting on information that she could only have received from the psychologist. And not just in theoretically good ways, but subtly criticizing my friend. My friend kept seeing the shrink, but only as a means of disinformation - "Oh, I'm working so hard" or "I'm putting in so much unpaid overtime," and various other things that might not have been entirely true but would only affect her job if the psychologist was massively unethical. Which it turned out she was, continuously. But hey, friend's boss loved her.

And I think we know WHY the company kept a mental health pro on retainer. And mega-POD to the reporting. Even pre-HIPPA, that was a big no-no, at least in the US. YMMV, standard disclaimer here.

I do, however, love the misinformation twist - that is BRILLIANT!
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #2812 on: September 12, 2012, 04:59:28 PM »
We have been told (and I'm only slightly paraphrasing here) "morale is low so you all need to cheer up! Oh and work harder, because upper management all think youre incompetant at your jobs.".

"The beatings will continue until morale improves."

 I worked for a company once with high turonver, terrible morale, etc.  They got an outside company to come in and administer one of those 'be completely honest, it's all anonymous' surveys.  And then we all got called in to a group meeting and were told by the owner that if we hated it that much, we were all free to leave because we could be replaced within 24 hours, and if we all didn't improve our attitude, he would start firing people in batches of 10 and replacing them until he had a happy G*d* workplace.

My husband worked for a company that did one of those "anonymous" surveys.  He was a little behind in turning his in, and HR contacted him and asked him what was taking so long.

He kinda doubted the anonymity after that.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #2813 on: September 12, 2012, 05:47:40 PM »
Friend of mine worked for a company that was much better than the ones being discussed here, at least in most ways. They even offered to cover the cost of sessions with a psychologist they had on retainer. So my friend went to the shrink and talked out some problems she was having at work. Nothing huge, but it helped to discuss it.

Then, of course, her supervisor started commenting and acting on information that she could only have received from the psychologist. And not just in theoretically good ways, but subtly criticizing my friend. My friend kept seeing the shrink, but only as a means of disinformation - "Oh, I'm working so hard" or "I'm putting in so much unpaid overtime," and various other things that might not have been entirely true but would only affect her job if the psychologist was massively unethical. Which it turned out she was, continuously. But hey, friend's boss loved her.

Does the psychologist come in to the office or does the employees go off-site?  If it's at the company, I wonder if the boss put in a hidden camera.  If it's off-site, I would totally report her (after giving enough misinformation  >:D).  If the shrink is tattling to the boss, I wonder if she's even licenced.  Maybe the company just told the employees it's a real psychologist, but she's just hired to play one.

I'm so suspicious  :P

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #2814 on: September 12, 2012, 06:02:04 PM »
We have been told (and I'm only slightly paraphrasing here) "morale is low so you all need to cheer up! Oh and work harder, because upper management all think youre incompetant at your jobs.".

"The beatings will continue until morale improves."

 I worked for a company once with high turonver, terrible morale, etc.  They got an outside company to come in and administer one of those 'be completely honest, it's all anonymous' surveys.  And then we all got called in to a group meeting and were told by the owner that if we hated it that much, we were all free to leave because we could be replaced within 24 hours, and if we all didn't improve our attitude, he would start firing people in batches of 10 and replacing them until he had a happy G*d* workplace.

LOL! I've had managers who said "You can be replaced!"

Problem is, they can't replace us. For every ten people we hire, we might have one - ONE - left after the probation period. The job is just that awful. And if we are really lucky, it is someone that actually works!

We do a survey every year. One year the manager came in just before the survey and had a long talk with us about how he didn't believe the previous survey that we had low morale - we were such wonderful people that surely there must be some mistake. Morale did not improve much. The year after that he went with "Our store is so wonderful! The best in our section!!!" That speech got better marks. :P
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #2815 on: September 12, 2012, 06:14:22 PM »
I worked for a company once with high turonver, terrible morale, etc.  They got an outside company to come in and administer one of those 'be completely honest, it's all anonymous' surveys.  And then we all got called in to a group meeting and were told by the owner that if we hated it that much, we were all free to leave because we could be replaced within 24 hours, and if we all didn't improve our attitude, he would start firing people in batches of 10 and replacing them until he had a happy G*d* workplace.

Quick way to improve morale:  Fire All the Unhappy People!  ::)

I know it was meant tongue in cheek and I had a good  ;D but that does actually work when there are Negative Nancys that bring everyone else down (without other issues). I've been in offices where a small group of complaining unhappy coworkers made working there untenable and firing them would have improved my morale immensely. Without them, work was sometimes stressful but mostly enjoyable; with them there, it was just stressful.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #2816 on: September 12, 2012, 06:17:05 PM »
Friend of mine worked for a company that was much better than the ones being discussed here, at least in most ways. They even offered to cover the cost of sessions with a psychologist they had on retainer. So my friend went to the shrink and talked out some problems she was having at work. Nothing huge, but it helped to discuss it.

Then, of course, her supervisor started commenting and acting on information that she could only have received from the psychologist. And not just in theoretically good ways, but subtly criticizing my friend. My friend kept seeing the shrink, but only as a means of disinformation - "Oh, I'm working so hard" or "I'm putting in so much unpaid overtime," and various other things that might not have been entirely true but would only affect her job if the psychologist was massively unethical. Which it turned out she was, continuously. But hey, friend's boss loved her.

Does the psychologist come in to the office or does the employees go off-site?  If it's at the company, I wonder if the boss put in a hidden camera.  If it's off-site, I would totally report her (after giving enough misinformation  >:D).  If the shrink is tattling to the boss, I wonder if she's even licenced.  Maybe the company just told the employees it's a real psychologist, but she's just hired to play one.

I'm so suspicious  :P

I'd be suspicious that there wasn't some fine print in the info given that company sponsered therapy not being confidential.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #2817 on: September 12, 2012, 07:24:48 PM »
We have been told (and I'm only slightly paraphrasing here) "morale is low so you all need to cheer up! Oh and work harder, because upper management all think youre incompetant at your jobs.".

"The beatings will continue until morale improves."

 I worked for a company once with high turonver, terrible morale, etc.  They got an outside company to come in and administer one of those 'be completely honest, it's all anonymous' surveys.  And then we all got called in to a group meeting and were told by the owner that if we hated it that much, we were all free to leave because we could be replaced within 24 hours, and if we all didn't improve our attitude, he would start firing people in batches of 10 and replacing them until he had a happy G*d* workplace.

My husband worked for a company that did one of those "anonymous" surveys.  He was a little behind in turning his in, and HR contacted him and asked him what was taking so long.

He kinda doubted the anonymity after that.

20+ years ago, we had an opening for a high-level position at our organization. One of the candidates was a current staffer. After going through the interviews, TPTB asked all staff to fill out an anonymous and confidential survey about our responses to the interviews. We didn't have enough typewriters for everyone to use given the timeline, so most of us wrote them out by hand. Shortly afterwards, the internal candidate started treated me like crap. I finally confronted him and asked what his problem was and he told me that he was angry that I had denigrated him on my evaluation. I told him I had done no such thing and asked who had seen these evals. He told me that HR had given my boss the evals "for his information" and my boss had supposedly recognized my handwriting (and that of everyone else). He had promptly told this staff person what everyone said about him. But he had also, for reasons known only to him, colored the evals to make them sound far worse than they were. (The internal candidate was a decent guy and would have been quite fine in the job, so there was no reason for any negativity).

A few years ago, I was at a training seminar for a software program that included survey tools. The trainer was explaining how to program the surveys for named surveys and anonymous surveys. A woman raised her hand and asked, "How can I program it to look like an anonymous survey but actually know who the respondents are?"  Everyone in the room whips around and looks at her. The trainer was actually really peeved and said, "Our company has ethics and deliberately set it up so that you cannot do that." Then someone asked her the name of her company and when she asked why, he replied, "So I know to never apply for a job with you." LOL

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #2818 on: September 12, 2012, 08:43:30 PM »
I'd be suspicious that there wasn't some fine print in the info given that company sponsered therapy not being confidential.
I can't imagine that a state licensing board, or a professional organization, would consider this as being acceptable conditions of employment. You owe confidentiality to your client unless you are specifically given permission by the client, their legal guardian, or a judge instructs you to release the information- or if the client is a danger to himself or others. Agreeing to counsel employees,  and discussing the contents of their sessions with their supervisor...I think that would get you sanctioned just about anywhere.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #2819 on: September 12, 2012, 10:57:05 PM »
I'd be suspicious that there wasn't some fine print in the info given that company sponsered therapy not being confidential.
I can't imagine that a state licensing board, or a professional organization, would consider this as being acceptable conditions of employment. You owe confidentiality to your client unless you are specifically given permission by the client, their legal guardian, or a judge instructs you to release the information- or if the client is a danger to himself or others. Agreeing to counsel employees,  and discussing the contents of their sessions with their supervisor...I think that would get you sanctioned just about anywhere.

I'm sure it depends on the job and why they have a therapist. My BF has to go to the work psychologist every 12 months as part of his security clearance process and that certainly isn't completely confidential. The psychologist sends a report to the security clearance agency about his mental state. Plus if the psychologist finds out something that may be used against him by someone, shows he has undue stress or anything else that may jeopardise national security, she has to report it immediately. If they need a confidential counselling, their work pays for them to go elsewhere (same as for all government employees), but then they can't discuss anything work related as the counsellor won't have security clearance.