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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #2865 on: October 03, 2012, 08:23:21 PM »
"The Universe puts us in places where we can learn. They are never easy places, but they are right. Wherever we are, it's the right place and the right time. Pain that sometimes comes is part of the process of constantly being born."
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #2866 on: October 03, 2012, 09:09:06 PM »
I have worked a lot of graveyard shifts and I can tell you that they tend to be ignored. At one job Employee of the Month didn't have a graveyard winner for 5 years. Management neither noticed or cared. And they wondered why morale was terrible for graveyard workers. [For those wondering why the workers never complained: they stopped after repeatedly being blown off.]

I worked graveyard at a place like this and when I was nominated I lost out to a 3-11 shift worker because they were there when the bosses were and they didn't want to hear her complain.  Really?  If you are afraid they are going to complain about losing Empolyee of the Month, are you really Employee of the Month material?  Of course this was reported to me by the nurses who nominated me, so it may all be rumor.  I was slightly upset because that award came with a 50 dollar gift card to WalMart. 

WolfWay

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #2867 on: October 04, 2012, 02:19:06 AM »
Not entirely sure if this qualifies, because it's not leading to anything good, but I doubt the person responsible will get in anyway held accountable for the outcomes of their actions.

NewBoss is not endearing himself to the dept.

One team in department goes out to lunch and takes longer than expected (I think it turned into a two hour lunch, I'm not sure) and they worked inthe extra time at the end of the day to balance it out. The next day the team are sent threatening emails informing them that they need to provide a written explanation for their absence from the office and if it's not a valid reason they will be issued with a warning. I happened to get this email because even though I wasn't part of that team, I was seen to leave the office at the same time as them. I happened to have a halfday that particular day, so I didn't come back to the office but  I was still included in that warning email.

Fine, okay, our dept decides that next time anyone does a team lunch (to celebrate the completion of a major project), they're going to ask NewBoss for permission first. Team is paying for their own lunch, they just need to notify NewBoss that it's highly unlikely they will be able to get into and out of a restaurant in under an hour including drive time, so can they please work the extra hours in later. NewBoss replies with a four word sentence "I do not approve".

I get pulled in to work overtime on a Saturday morning. I do not get paid overtime for this, so I always have previously been allowed to take comp time (the matching number of hours) out of my weekday schedule to balance the hours out to what I'm paid to work. Come Monday morning, the team who worked the weekend to get the project in on time ask NewBoss if they can take the three hours out in comp time. NewBoss replies with "Giving people time off would send the wrong message". The only message we're getting right now is that going the extra mile to get things done will not get you rewarded, but it will get you punished.

We have been told (and I'm only slightly paraphrasing here) "morale is low so you all need to cheer up! Oh and work harder, because upper management all think youre incompetant at your jobs.".

Gosh, I wonder why we've lost nearly 30% of our dept staff to other companies in the last few months. So now we're having to do more work with less staff and repeatedly being told that upper management thinks our department are useless and can't deliver anything decent.

Unfortunately, management tend to protect each other and NewBoss is great at spinning thing to flatter himself, so I doubt he'll get in any way held responsible for the situation.

Update:

So we have an impossible deadline for another unhelpful client who won't give us the information we need to proceed. This means that the impossible deadline cannot be met. We (the team) felt that Boss does not understand that if we couldn't not start four days ago (and counting) we will not be able to make the go live date. We raise this with Boss. His reply: "You have evenings and weekends. You can do it!".

Um.. weekends and evenings we don't get paid overtime to work and don't get compensated for?

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah, I think not.  >:(
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #2868 on: October 04, 2012, 07:30:09 PM »
Weeeell, sometimes if someone commits enough PD, there are results. I've posted about Useless, my one co-worker.  Who does nothing, and continually make the same errors, does the same sloppy work, and has been pretty much stripped of any responsibilities other than busy work.  He was let go today, FINALLY!  And I have to be honest and say I do not feel badly for him at all, as this was ALL of his own doing. He was told over and over what he wasn't doing correctly, etc. and a list of other stuff as long as my arm, and never did anything to change or improve. 

Rumor had it he was being protected by SOMEONE high up, as they "liked" him, but he was really a hindrance to all of us who had the (not!) pleasure of working with him. I guess they finally got all their ducks in a row, and he was shown the door.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #2869 on: October 04, 2012, 07:34:04 PM »
Weeeell, sometimes if someone commits enough PD, there are results. I've posted about Useless, my one co-worker.  Who does nothing, and continually make the same errors, does the same sloppy work, and has been pretty much stripped of any responsibilities other than busy work.  He was let go today, FINALLY!  And I have to be honest and say I do not feel badly for him at all, as this was ALL of his own doing. He was told over and over what he wasn't doing correctly, etc. and a list of other stuff as long as my arm, and never did anything to change or improve. 

Rumor had it he was being protected by SOMEONE high up, as they "liked" him, but he was really a hindrance to all of us who had the (not!) pleasure of working with him. I guess they finally got all their ducks in a row, and he was shown the door.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #2870 on: October 04, 2012, 10:30:58 PM »
Weeeell, sometimes if someone commits enough PD, there are results. I've posted about Useless, my one co-worker.  Who does nothing, and continually make the same errors, does the same sloppy work, and has been pretty much stripped of any responsibilities other than busy work.  He was let go today, FINALLY!  And I have to be honest and say I do not feel badly for him at all, as this was ALL of his own doing. He was told over and over what he wasn't doing correctly, etc. and a list of other stuff as long as my arm, and never did anything to change or improve. 

Rumor had it he was being protected by SOMEONE high up, as they "liked" him, but he was really a hindrance to all of us who had the (not!) pleasure of working with him. I guess they finally got all their ducks in a row, and he was shown the door.

Queue the Hallelujah Chorus! :)

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #2871 on: October 05, 2012, 10:25:07 AM »
Weeeell, sometimes if someone commits enough PD, there are results. I've posted about Useless, my one co-worker.  Who does nothing, and continually make the same errors, does the same sloppy work, and has been pretty much stripped of any responsibilities other than busy work.  He was let go today, FINALLY!  And I have to be honest and say I do not feel badly for him at all, as this was ALL of his own doing. He was told over and over what he wasn't doing correctly, etc. and a list of other stuff as long as my arm, and never did anything to change or improve. 

Rumor had it he was being protected by SOMEONE high up, as they "liked" him, but he was really a hindrance to all of us who had the (not!) pleasure of working with him. I guess they finally got all their ducks in a row, and he was shown the door.

Queue the Hallelujah Chorus! :)

Absolutely!  Now the question remains who gets to take over the piddly stuff (which still takes time) he had left? HOpefully not MY dept. but at any rate, he is gone.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #2872 on: October 17, 2012, 01:49:44 PM »
WARNING - may include emotional triggers.

Man who posted "glad girl is dead" loses job - says he's "sorry if he offended anyone". http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1272587--ontario-man-fired-from-job-over-comment-posted-on-memorial-page-to-amanda-todd

Oh, and he "feels a little regret and remorse". Just so you don't think he's a jerk or anything. I mean, he's got his feelings, right?
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #2873 on: October 17, 2012, 02:00:13 PM »
WARNING - may include emotional triggers.

Man who posted "glad girl is dead" loses job - says he's "sorry if he offended anyone". http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1272587--ontario-man-fired-from-job-over-comment-posted-on-memorial-page-to-amanda-todd

Oh, and he "feels a little regret and remorse". Just so you don't think he's a jerk or anything. I mean, he's got his feelings, right?

I don't think he should have been fired for something he did on his own Facebook page.  Please don't get me wrong, I think what he did was reprehensible, even if he was "just curious"; but I don't think it had anything to do with his job.

NyaChan

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #2874 on: October 17, 2012, 02:04:32 PM »
Except if people know he works there, they don't want to get attached or be connected to his remarks.  I think that is a legitimate concern considering the ways things spread around the internet nowadays.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #2875 on: October 17, 2012, 02:13:40 PM »
WARNING - may include emotional triggers.

Man who posted "glad girl is dead" loses job - says he's "sorry if he offended anyone". http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1272587--ontario-man-fired-from-job-over-comment-posted-on-memorial-page-to-amanda-todd

Oh, and he "feels a little regret and remorse". Just so you don't think he's a jerk or anything. I mean, he's got his feelings, right?

I don't think he should have been fired for something he did on his own Facebook page.  Please don't get me wrong, I think what he did was reprehensible, even if he was "just curious"; but I don't think it had anything to do with his job.

Except he didn't write it on his own Facebook page.  The article says that he wrote it on an online memorial page for her.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #2876 on: October 17, 2012, 02:23:41 PM »
I have a scrap of sympathy for him, in that he posted anonymously, and didn't expect it would connect to him or his employer.

That sympathy is swamped like an ant in a tidal wave with disgust at him being so vile as to post such things on a memorial forum, while hiding behind anonymity and "I just wanted to stir the pot".

I think people REALLY need to learn that "freedom of speech" does not mean "freedom from consequences". If your speech reveals you to be a vile, revolting person - well, yes, the rest of society may not want to be around you. Words, as well as actions, have consequences, even if you don't get jailed by the government for them.

I think the way he sort of shrugs and claims that he really feels badly for the family - while telling them he's rejoicing their daughter is dead - indicates a strange sort of disconnect some people have. It's as though they really don't see their words as having any meaning in the real world. Yes, he wanted to play troll, and have everyone mad at him (anonymously, of course). That they were angry because he was causing real pain, and behaving disgustingly, doesn't seem to occur to him. I presume (until he finds himself unemployable in the small town he lives in) he still thinks it was a rather witty joke.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #2877 on: October 17, 2012, 02:32:46 PM »
More than one troll has claimed to be innocent of hostile intentions.  So often, they excuse themselves with "I just wanted to stir the pot" and "It was a social experiment."  They have little or no comprehension that there are real people out there, not just pixels on a screen.  Then the trolls get upset when the pot boils over, and the experimental guinea pigs show up at their doors. 

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #2878 on: October 17, 2012, 02:40:31 PM »
WARNING - may include emotional triggers.

Man who posted "glad girl is dead" loses job - says he's "sorry if he offended anyone". http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1272587--ontario-man-fired-from-job-over-comment-posted-on-memorial-page-to-amanda-todd

Oh, and he "feels a little regret and remorse". Just so you don't think he's a jerk or anything. I mean, he's got his feelings, right?

I don't think he should have been fired for something he did on his own Facebook page.  Please don't get me wrong, I think what he did was reprehensible, even if he was "just curious"; but I don't think it had anything to do with his job.

Except he didn't write it on his own Facebook page.  The article says that he wrote it on an online memorial page for her.

I meant it as he used his own Facebook to do it, not the company's Facebook.


I think it was great someone outed him, because his actions should have consequences, but how it is at all related to his job is beyond me.  He didn't do it at work or on company time, so what does it have to do with his job?

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #2879 on: October 17, 2012, 02:42:18 PM »
I wouldn't trust him around my clients - he showed bad judgment and a lack of basic civility with that comment.  Not someone that I want to represent me.  If he'll do that in public to a grieving family just to see what would happen, what might he do while he is working?