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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3030 on: November 21, 2012, 03:59:09 AM »

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The PD bit - He insists that the way he works has worked for him for 16 years, and the problem lies not with him but with the environment that we work in. And since his system works, the environment will have to change to suit his working method.

We're a high pressure, high workload, tight deadline environment and I don't think there's room for that level of perfectionism in our team. We've had one like him before and they got themselves coiled up in so many details they were worse than useless because they couldn't get past the knowledge stockpiling to make a useful contribution, and just ended up running around in circles unable to finish anything.
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No problem! He can change it himself by leaving and finding another job with an environment that suits his work style. That way everyone is happy (with the possible exception of his new boss).

I did get a giggle over imagining his attitude in other places. "What do you mean you can't make me a Big Mac?? I don't care if you are a french restaurant, that's what I need right now!"
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3031 on: November 21, 2012, 08:20:22 AM »
My normally really easy to please, bend over backward to help you boss had a meltdown last week. Threatened to fire several of us and mentioned what we were doing that made her so mad.

So the next work day I made sure I did nothing that she mentioned - i.e. she told us to quit doing "this" so I quit doing it!

A co-worker of mine continued to do something she was told not to do. I mentioned to her she should not do that, even though what she is doing is a good thing to do, boss has told her NOT to do it in this particular area of the building. She tells me she will fight this battle to do this thing, because it is a good thing to do.

Not sure if this will result in PD or not, as boss really is normally very laid back. So I don't know if boss will see this again and just shrug it off this time, or see this again and fire co-worker.

But I do know I'm not getting involved in it. It's a bit frustrating I have to take over her duties because she isn't doing what she is supposed to, but it's 1/2 hour a day so it's not worth it to me to say anything else about it.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3032 on: November 21, 2012, 01:43:40 PM »
WolfWench, we had a guy like that on one of the teams.  He was hired into, say, a Quality Assurance position, and all his coworkers were also QA folks, doing basically the same job.

New guy spent at least six months claiming he would need specialized training in QA, that he learned best in a classroom situation and wanted formal instruction before he would attempt to do anything.  Keep in mind that the reason he got the job was tailoring his resume and interview to highlight his experience and interest in QA, and that once hired, it is ALL on the job training.  No amount of explaining this could get through.  After a few years of ineffectiveness, he wrangled a promotion into another (non-QA) group, which tells you something about my company's inability to weed out the deadweight.

And he was deadweight, by all accounts this was not perfectionist behavior but avoiding having to do his job for as long as possible (he filled his time doing personal tasks during work hours).

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3033 on: November 21, 2012, 05:56:41 PM »
Just read this and thought about this thread.  In a nutshell, guy interviews for a job with the FBI.  During the interview, which involved being voluntarily hooked up to a lie detector machine, he admits to owning questionable pictures of the underaged variety.  Of course the FBI then sieze his machine and charge him with child p*rn*graphy. 

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1290925--how-an-fbi-job-applicant-ended-up-with-a-child-porn-conviction

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3034 on: November 21, 2012, 07:04:25 PM »
Just read this and thought about this thread.  In a nutshell, guy interviews for a job with the FBI.  During the interview, which involved being voluntarily hooked up to a lie detector machine, he admits to owning questionable pictures of the underaged variety.  Of course the FBI then sieze his machine and charge him with child p*rn*graphy. 

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1290925--how-an-fbi-job-applicant-ended-up-with-a-child-porn-conviction

Wow. That is some world class PD there. You have to TRY to reach that level.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3035 on: November 21, 2012, 08:00:56 PM »
Just read this and thought about this thread.  In a nutshell, guy interviews for a job with the FBI.  During the interview, which involved being voluntarily hooked up to a lie detector machine, he admits to owning questionable pictures of the underaged variety.  Of course the FBI then sieze his machine and charge him with child p*rn*graphy. 

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1290925--how-an-fbi-job-applicant-ended-up-with-a-child-porn-conviction

Wow. That is some world class PD there. You have to TRY to reach that level.

It fascinates me how often just by asking a direct question you get a direct and surprisingly honest answer from a person!
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3036 on: November 21, 2012, 09:36:51 PM »
Today kicked off the awkwardness that is Thanksgiving With Grandma.  (In short: Grandma is in her mid-90s and although she is still very independent and loves to cook, her memory isn't what it used to be.  She insists on hosting Thanksgiving every year even though she's starting to forget things like whether she's already added salt, defrosted the turkey before baking, or left the egg salad out on the counter overnight.  We try to eat as little as possible while here.)

Anyway, since we got into grandma's town relatively late this evening, she and FIL met me and DH and the kids at a small chain diner for supper.  Our waitress was friendly, cheerful, and . . . missing for everything past the part where she delivered our food.  Unfortunately, she gave FIL the wrong soup so he had to flag down another server.  Who also got distracted and forgot to bring him the right soup.

We we seated in the corner booth near the windows, so it was easy to see outside even in the dark - and easy to see our waitress go out and sit on the hood of a car and talk on a cell phone for the twenty minutes it took us to eat.  FIL finally got a manager, who apologized profusedly - the waitress had brought the wrong soup because they were out of the one he had ordered, and never bothered to tell him.  (Never did find out why the second server didn't come say anything.)

FIL: we could see her sitting outside the whole time!
Manager: I'm really sorry about that, and I'm about to have a talk with her right now.
FIL: it's okay - I'm glad she's your problem and not mine!
Manager: Not for long she won't be . . .

So yeah, I think that waitress isn't going to be working there much longer.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3037 on: November 22, 2012, 01:49:51 AM »
With regards to the one waitress in the last dinner story... it could have been her break.  She can sit on her car and gab on her break if she wants.  She doesn't need to tell her tables that she's going on break - although breaks are usually only 15 minutes, and any good waitress will do a 'hand off' to another server while on break to ensure customers are taken care of.  I've had servers swap halfway through a meal when one server went off shift and another came on.  Although the manager's comment makes me think it was NOT a scheduled break. Just saying.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3038 on: November 22, 2012, 04:12:25 AM »
With regards to the one waitress in the last dinner story... it could have been her break.  She can sit on her car and gab on her break if she wants.  She doesn't need to tell her tables that she's going on break - although breaks are usually only 15 minutes, and any good waitress will do a 'hand off' to another server while on break to ensure customers are taken care of.  I've had servers swap halfway through a meal when one server went off shift and another came on.  Although the manager's comment makes me think it was NOT a scheduled break. Just saying.

Yeah, my best guess is either she way overstayed her break gabbing (and neglected to hand us off to the other server) or she wasn't supposed to be outside on break at all.  I kind of wonder whether the other srver passive-aggressively "forgot" FIL's soup also because she was sick of her coworker slacking off . . .

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3039 on: November 23, 2012, 11:25:28 AM »
This is from a few years back but the best example of Professional Darwinism I've ever seen:

b/g: I used to work for a residential home for at risk children. We were broken up into different groups, by houses and each house, theoretically had three employees working as a team. To be offered employment with this group, you had to have certain qualifications (college degree for example), you had to pass an intense interview process and background screening, as well as attend a month's worth of training before being in the house. The people working on campus were relatively intelligent and generally had common sense and a great ability to think quickly on their feet. end b/g.

One woman on our campus started working in a house, after working as a supervisor for many years. (Essentially a demotion, but something she wanted to do.) As she was a supervisor, she should have known when paperwork was due, how to file it, and how to fill it out, as well as knowing the safety protocols on campus (such as off campus outings, transportation, and so on).

In her time as a house parent, she:

1: Drove over the lawn in a company van, because she didn't want to take the extra 20 seconds it took on the road. (With youth in the van.)

2. Left a pan of water of water on the stove, then left the house for 8 hours. When she returned home, she saw her error, picked up the pan, to take to the sink. but the bottom fell out of the pan and scorched the floor. (requiring a replacement of the whole kitchen floor.)

3. While picking up one of the youths at an off campus activity, when the youth reached for the door handle (on the van) she started to drive away. She did this multiple times.

4. When it came time to turn in paperwork, (like monthly progress reports) she'd be WEEKS late. This was time sensitive paperwork and she'd hold up essentially the whole process of releasing the paperwork by not turning it in.

Because all of the things she did involved witnesses, she received a "corrective action" each time she did something wrong. I don't recall what she did to finally be let go, but it wasn't pretty, as she didn't understand what she did wrong.


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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3041 on: November 24, 2012, 09:54:08 AM »
PD at its finest:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/22/nonprofit-worker-fired-after-photo-scandal-at-arlington-national-cemetery/

I just don't get how people can be so disrespectful of those that gave their lives and surviving family members. I can't wrap my brain around it. I remember going to Arlington as a child. My parents sat Sis and I  down and explained why the area was sacred and how we were expected to behave. It was spring and I had an allergy/asthma cough. Mom made sure that I had cough drops in my pocket and that I had one in my mouth before we went to watch the changing of the guard at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, so I wouldn't disrupt the ceremony by having a coughing fit.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3042 on: November 24, 2012, 10:34:27 AM »
PD at its finest:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/22/nonprofit-worker-fired-after-photo-scandal-at-arlington-national-cemetery/

The non-profit helps those with physical and mental disabilities, including disabled veterans.   How could this woman think there'd be no consequences?

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3043 on: November 24, 2012, 10:36:54 AM »
PD at its finest:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/22/nonprofit-worker-fired-after-photo-scandal-at-arlington-national-cemetery/

I just don't get how people can be so disrespectful of those that gave their lives and surviving family members. I can't wrap my brain around it. I remember going to Arlington as a child. My parents sat Sis and I  down and explained why the area was sacred and how we were expected to behave. It was spring and I had an allergy/asthma cough. Mom made sure that I had cough drops in my pocket and that I had one in my mouth before we went to watch the changing of the guard at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, so I wouldn't disrupt the ceremony by having a coughing fit.

An earlier article gave me the idea that the whole family has an attitude that it's funny to break posted rules.  The whole, "Nobody's going to tell me what to do" mentality.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3044 on: November 24, 2012, 03:26:57 PM »


An earlier article gave me the idea that the whole family has an attitude that it's funny to break posted rules.  The whole, "Nobody's going to tell me what to do" mentality.

Well, in fairness I could see myself pretending to break posted rules for a funny photo so I don't think that's an *inherently* evil act. It's important to understand what's an appropriate target to aim at though...
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