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TurtleDove

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3135 on: December 06, 2012, 05:04:44 PM »
I think the point was that skipping school got her detention.

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« Reply #3136 on: December 06, 2012, 05:06:49 PM »
Well, yes. That's a little like saying "I could have said that I didn't steal the money, and not gotten into trouble . So clearly, I'm being arrested for telling the truth, when I told the police yes, I took it. What an unjust legal system!"
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« Reply #3137 on: December 06, 2012, 05:07:18 PM »
At my school, if my parents called in an absence for whatever reason, it was fine up until the point where I was violating attendance rules.  Why didn't they just call in ahead of time and have dad explain that he was taking her out of school for the day?  Does no one go on vacations without getting detention for not being in school?

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« Reply #3138 on: December 06, 2012, 05:20:44 PM »
I fully understood the point and was reiterating my own, which is that she could have stayed out of trouble by lying.  I was neither condoning skipping school nor saying that what the school did was unjust.  If you look at the post I quoted and what I said before I related the story about my sister, I clearly said that telling the truth was a good thing and that the boss probably appreciated the honesty.

I then related a story on the opposite side of the spectrum, where instead of being appreciated, telling the truth actually got someone into trouble when lying would have kept that person out of trouble.  My comment at the end was mockery of the situation in which telling the truth got someone into trouble when it usually does the opposite.

Twik, that's not like saying that at all.  My sister wasn't getting detention for telling the truth, she obviously got it from not being out of school for a certified reason.  The point I was making, was that regardless of the circumstances, telling the truth caused her to get "caught".  Using your example, that would be saying, "I could have said that I didn't steal the money, and not gotten into trouble, but they caught me because I told the truth."

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3139 on: December 06, 2012, 05:55:43 PM »

Yep.  There are plenty of families around here who regularly get pulled into the court system for persistent truancy.  In a lot of cases, the parents are home with the kids all day, but they say they can't make their kids go to school, so the kids don't go.  A particular problem is parents who "can't" make their kids go to school, and they're tried of getting in trouble with the truancy officers, so they withdraw the kids from public school and declare themselves a "home school." (It's a pretty easy process here.)  In our state, home schools are regularly reviewed/visited by local reps from a state board.  The "can't make their kids go to school" families have no curriculum or lesson plan or anything, in a lot of  cases, the kids are found to be playing video games all day. It's a double whammy because the kids aren't getting an education and it makes life that much harder for the people who are running legitimate home schools and working hard to make sure their kids are getting an education. 

Oh, you've met my former SIL, then? ::)

I don't think she got in any trouble over it, more's the pity. Our system must be more lax than yours.

I know a woman like this who is "home schooling" her daughter.  What she really did was haul her out of school to take care of her younger brothers.  Poor girl is nearly 14 and reads on a 3rd grade level.  NO schooling is happening, she's just raising babies.

Ugh.  That just makes me so sad.  And I hate that those are the sort of cases that a lot of people around my area think of first when they think, "homeschooled."

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« Reply #3140 on: December 06, 2012, 06:09:16 PM »
It's such a shame, really.  This child is kept too busy cooking, cleaning, changing diapers to even do any schoolwork and nobody sees to care about that at all.  It makes me angry.

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« Reply #3141 on: December 06, 2012, 06:29:34 PM »
Unfortunately, this poor girl is probably receiving the training she needs for her future:  Cooking, cleaning, taking care of babies.  Some sweet-talkin' guy will come along and take her away from her miserable home life where she feels unappreciated.  Then she'll get pregnant (How did that happen?) and spend the rest of her life cooking, cleaning, and taking care of children. :-[
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3142 on: December 06, 2012, 07:51:02 PM »
At my school, if my parents called in an absence for whatever reason, it was fine up until the point where I was violating attendance rules.  Why didn't they just call in ahead of time and have dad explain that he was taking her out of school for the day?  Does no one go on vacations without getting detention for not being in school?


Since NCLB was passed  - no you don't go on vacation during the school year without being punished. AYP counts absences against the school. Miss AYP 2x for the same reason  and the feds start a take over of your school. So if it isn't a legal excused absence according to state law the district will often lower the boom in school. Truancy laws are pretty cut and dried and the schools can't say Sally can go hunting with Dad, but Johnny is playing hooky. Unexcused is unexcused X unexcused absences and the school is required by law to send the information to the truancy court.


Also to avoid AYP penalties our district will withdraw you if you miss a certain number of days in a row without contacting the school/answering our attempts to contact the parents. (I think it is either 5 or 10) We have people disappear regularly at breaks without withdrawing and then not enroll in another school till after the next break. (example families disappear from Thanksgiving till after winter break. When we ask the younger kids where they were they will tell us Mexico) It also happens between Spring break and Easter weekend.   


When we have parents come to us and say "We have a family emergency and have to go to (Mexico, Romania, another state) for a week." They are encouraged to withdraw and reenroll when they get back.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3143 on: December 06, 2012, 09:14:59 PM »
kherbert05 - If you must use acronyms, please explain them.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3144 on: December 06, 2012, 09:22:38 PM »
NCLB stands for "No Child Left Behind", an educational reform act in the US.

AYP stands for "Adequate Yearly Progress".  Schools must "meet AYP" as per the requirements of NCLB.

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« Reply #3145 on: December 06, 2012, 09:25:39 PM »
Mahalo, mmswm;
I have no children, so I'm not familiar with these things.  I know some teachers & students, but they spell things out when they talk to me.
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« Reply #3146 on: December 06, 2012, 09:29:22 PM »
I taught for most of a decade before the kids medical needs became overwhelming.  I often forget that "regular" people don't know the alphabet soup of education.  I do the same thing with the alphabet soup of the banking world, from my time with Major Bank. Sometimes it's easy to forget that regular people don't have any reason to know these things. :)
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3147 on: December 06, 2012, 10:02:17 PM »
All industries come with their own alphabet soup :)

One company I used to work for had numbers in theirs... 

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« Reply #3148 on: December 07, 2012, 01:14:37 AM »
^ The truancy talk reminded me of a potential case of PD I encountered recently.

I WISH it was against the law for parents to take their child on vacation during school term in my country. One of my students just missed 5 weeks of school (the timing was such that she had to do her final exam on the first day back too  ::)). On her first day back she was telling me all about her wonderful activity that she did on holidays. Except "I wasn't really happy with [aspect] because I was pretty drunk when it happened".

Great. I'm a mandatory reporter of course, so that will now be investigated and questions will probably be asked of her mother who took her on the holiday. The professional darwinism part is that her mother is a police officer. *facepalm*
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3149 on: December 07, 2012, 08:33:29 AM »
All industries come with their own alphabet soup :)

One company I used to work for had numbers in theirs...

My industry is a leader in TLAs...



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