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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3195 on: December 13, 2012, 04:18:35 PM »
I was an educator when No Child Left Behind was adopted, and I had not clue what she was talking about so had to open another tab to find it.

I was a librarian when Accelerated Reader program was started and did all the computer programing for them and manually labeled all of the books myself. Kids would come in for 'AR' books and I would just look at them blankly.

Pretty much except for FBI as an acronym, I'm lost. That includes staring at the computer screen and having to think about what DH means. No hope for me, I gress.

I know what it means in this context, but I keep thinking "Designated Hitter."

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I read Rob's post as "Designated Hitler".  Definitely a presbyopia moment.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3196 on: December 13, 2012, 05:57:21 PM »
The crazy thing is that Brett himself never actually calls us up to solicit work and most print sales people I know work mostly on commission, so other than buying time, what does Brett get by faking jobs that aren't ever going to print?

Wasn't there something in the PD thread about a guy who made quota by falsifying orders then cancelling them at the last second?

This is the PD thread - and the post you're talking about was the one right before it!

I was wondering if they might have been one and the same person, though...
I have a feeling faking is a problem among professions that have quotas to meet in general. Nothing was ever delivered to us that we didn't order. The only way we ever found out about anything was because people called us after Brett was already gone. I have no idea if he was fired or quit before they could find out. My boss won't warn the new company about Brett because we really don't have any business relationship with them; but at the rate he's going through jobs at print companies, it's probably just a matter of time before he hits one we do use. If it happens, that will be interesting.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3197 on: December 13, 2012, 09:15:33 PM »
That reminds me of a situation at a previous employer of mine.  Note that this occurred before I started working there. I'm sketchy on some details as I was told this about 8 years ago now.   

Company was an employment agency, and "Andy's" job was recruiting e.g. building up relationships with companies and sourcing candidates to fill their vacancies - a VERY sales focused role for anybody who doesn't know (lots of people think it's about finding people jobs, which couldn't be further from the truth).     Andy left the company after a few months (I can't recall the exact circumstances) and it wasn't until after some time he left that they discovered he'd been claiming roles as filled that were not in fact filled by him.    Basically, he'd been paid commission on work he hadn't done, and there was no way to recoup that.  It took awhile to placate the clients, reverse invoices, and generally clean up after him.   The general view was that Andy was so over-confident he was claiming fills to get commission believing he could get the role filled, and then left when he realised his giant house of cards was about to collapse.  ::)     They chalked it up as an expensive mistake and moved on. 

Through the grapevine, the managers learned that Andy left his next job not so long afterwards, and somehow it transpired that he had "faked" a reference from *my company* to get that job e.g. actually had somebody on the phone pretending to be the boss and give him a glowing reference.   Our bosses assured the other company that there is no way they gave Andy a reference, it must have been faked.   Andy had sold himself into that role and let them down so the other company was angry.

And the reason I was told this story?   The managers at my company had just seen Andy listed in an industry magazine as being appointed to a fairly prominent role at yet another company.   Presumably again with faked references!   So they told us the story because they just couldn't believe this guy was getting away with this time and time again.  I never met Andy, but he must have had the gift of the gab to sell himself into increasingly senior positions time and time again.
 
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3198 on: December 14, 2012, 09:09:02 AM »
The crazy thing is that Brett himself never actually calls us up to solicit work and most print sales people I know work mostly on commission, so other than buying time, what does Brett get by faking jobs that aren't ever going to print?

Wasn't there something in the PD thread about a guy who made quota by falsifying orders then cancelling them at the last second?

This is the PD thread - and the post you're talking about was the one right before it!

I was wondering if they might have been one and the same person, though...

My only excuse is the prescription cough syrup...

 ;D I've been there (DayQuil + me = zombie). Brett and my PD aren't the same person, although I'm not sure what happened to my PD. He's probably around somewhere, hopefully having learned his lesson!
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3199 on: December 14, 2012, 10:05:28 AM »
I hate it when PD actually ends up destroying a town. We have a case of this going on in the Seattle area right now.

The town of Pacific elected the mayor by a write in campaign. He has been a little dictator, he fired the city clerk because she locked her office when she went on vacation, tried to fire a bunch of police officers when he was arrested for breaking into her office, firing anyone who did not bow down to his demands and who actually wanted to do their jobs correctly, ect.  The state and the insurance company for the city gave him a deadline to have these jobs either filled or at least posted for hire, he did not do so.

 Now they have lost their insurance at the end of the year and may have to incorporate into one of the nearby towns.The insurance company told the city that if there is a change to city leadership they may consider re-instating it.  There was a meeting last week and again early this week about incorporating into the nearby town and the mayor didnít show up. Today the papers say that he has skipped town.   They have called for a recall but it will not happen in time to save the city as the mayor is fighting it.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3200 on: December 14, 2012, 12:48:44 PM »
That reminds me of a situation at a previous employer of mine.  Note that this occurred before I started working there. I'm sketchy on some details as I was told this about 8 years ago now.   

Company was an employment agency, and "Andy's" job was recruiting e.g. building up relationships with companies and sourcing candidates to fill their vacancies - a VERY sales focused role for anybody who doesn't know (lots of people think it's about finding people jobs, which couldn't be further from the truth). 

*snip*       

Unfortunately, I learned that the hard way.  I warn people away from "employment" agencies that I've had bad experiences with.  The ones who oh-so-smoothly pump you for information about any businesses you had any connection with (not just your past work history), you're left confused and used, and you never hear from them again. 

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3201 on: December 15, 2012, 09:46:37 PM »
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...he fired the city clerk because she locked her office when she went on vacation, tried to fire a bunch of police officers when he was arrested for breaking into her office...

I remember hearing about this a while ago. IIRC, the city clerk locked her office because she had caught him trying to access records he was not allowed to see, by law. I can't believe he wasn't recalled at the time. What a piece of work!

And I'm sure none of it was his fault - according to him. IIRC, he had some bombastic excuse for trying to get into those records, and how he wasn't breaking the spirit of the law, just the letter...  :o

I have no sense of time passing - but it seems to me it was quite a while ago. Maybe it's his twin brother, or maybe he moved and managed to get elected yet again, in a new state? Or, worse, maybe there are two power-hungry fools who don't care what they destroy, as long as they get their way?  :(
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3202 on: December 20, 2012, 11:16:49 AM »
DF and I are hiring servers for our wedding reception.  On Monday, I put up a notice in the kitchen classroom of the local community college's culinary program (I've taken classes there in the last few years so I know I'd find interested, qualified parties there).

The first person who contacted me I was honest with and told her she was the first person so far (she expressed concern about how old the notice was; I told her I'd just put it up that morning).  She said she'd get copies of her qualifications to me later that evening.  It took her more than 48 hours to send her info to me and with no explanation for the delay (except a "sorry I was late sending them" in her e-mail; if she had maintained contact and let me know she'd be delayed, I might've been okay with that).  I replied that we've already found the individuals we need (which we did -- the first two people who quickly sent me their culinary work history and proof of ServSafe certification).  I hope she learns from this experience not to delay (especially since her work experience, period, and education are pretty minimal -- *I* have taken more culinary classes than she has, which isn't that much).  She wants to get a job as a pastry chef and while working as a server isn't that, culinary work experience for a private event would carry more weight than cashier at a fast food place.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3203 on: December 30, 2012, 09:17:03 PM »
That reminds me of a situation at a previous employer of mine.  Note that this occurred before I started working there. I'm sketchy on some details as I was told this about 8 years ago now.   

Company was an employment agency, and "Andy's" job was recruiting e.g. building up relationships with companies and sourcing candidates to fill their vacancies - a VERY sales focused role for anybody who doesn't know (lots of people think it's about finding people jobs, which couldn't be further from the truth). 

*snip*       

Unfortunately, I learned that the hard way.  I warn people away from "employment" agencies that I've had bad experiences with.  The ones who oh-so-smoothly pump you for information about any businesses you had any connection with (not just your past work history), you're left confused and used, and you never hear from them again.

I had the same experience, I went to the employment agency for an interview, most of which took place in the hallway with the agent seeming rather uninterested, until I mentioned that I had an interview for a position the next day. Suddenly he's all ears and 'tell me all about it'

Sorry pal, I'm not here to do your job for you. You want to send other candidates to my job interview then find the details yourself!!

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3204 on: December 31, 2012, 05:46:44 PM »
That reminds me of our old real estate agent.   She was, frankly, terrible.   She ignored a lot of our comments about what we were looking for in a house, and she was very condescending to me for some reason.   The final straw was when I spotted a bunch of newly-built houses in the area we wanted - I phoned her to inquire about whether they were available, how much, etc., and her response was "What new houses?"   She didn't know anything about them.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3205 on: January 01, 2013, 06:38:41 PM »
We have had several fantastic realtors, some of whom have really worked their tails off for us.  We did have one real stinker, though.

He was the brother of a long term neighbor.  My Mom was looking for a house to buy as a rental.  The ONLY houses that this realtor wanted to show us were ones that he owned personally.  Sorry, nope, we are not the solution to YOUR problem.
(I think he had bought them as quick flips and was having trouble selling them, primarily because the locations universally sucked.) 

We dropped him like a hot rock.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3206 on: January 04, 2013, 09:53:37 AM »
Fight Me Like a Man

Not what you are supposed to say to a customer after you have refused to put ketchup on his sandwich. (Note: Subway is a chain of sandwich shops.)

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3207 on: January 04, 2013, 02:38:18 PM »
Why on earth would one start a fight over ketchup? Maybe it wasn't his idea of a good sandwich, but if the customer wants ketchup, and you have ketchup, why (at best) lose a customer over a couple of cents that are the company's, not yours, and (at worst) end up with jail time?  :o
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3208 on: January 04, 2013, 02:46:35 PM »
The worker claimed he didn't have any ketchup to give.

Agreed that it is a bizarre overreaction.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3209 on: January 04, 2013, 04:08:42 PM »
Why on earth would one start a fight over ketchup? Maybe it wasn't his idea of a good sandwich, but if the customer wants ketchup, and you have ketchup, why (at best) lose a customer over a couple of cents that are the company's, not yours, and (at worst) end up with jail time?  :o
I followed the link to the story:  "He wants ketchup on the Philly cheese steak and I have never put -- we don't even have ketchup at Subway -- I've never put ketchup on anybody's sandwich," said Ordone. Then again, he later says, "There's ketchup three aisles down. You can go buy your own ketchup, and I promise to God, you can put as much as you want on it and nobody's going to say nothing."

He's not the poster boy for Customer Service. ::)
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