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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3240 on: January 09, 2013, 01:14:27 PM »
I don't work at the place anymore, but I was just informed that one of my former coworkers (great worker and a coordinator in the store) has been sacked.  Why?  Because he was going to a friend's house and was bringing a bottle of alcohol, and stored it in his locker during his shift.  When a coworker (notoriously immature and a terrible worker, but a favorite of the manager) demanded he give her some - still on the clock - he refused, and she reported him to the manager.   Moral of the story?  Don't bring alcohol to work, and don't tick off the manager's pet.
I hate those "zero tolerance" rules.  I work for the government, so "no alcohol at work" is one of those "zero tolerance" rules.  It doesn't matter why the bottle is there.  It isn't necessary that you consume any at work.  Having the bottle there is reason enough for termination. ::)

My DH, who does not drink, was given a 6 pack of beer from one of his fans for the holidays.  My supervisor at the time likes to drink beer.  I asked him if he wanted the 6 pack.  We made the exchange in the street in front of our workplace, not even in the parking lot.  My former supervisor is less than 1 year from retirement and he's not messing that up for a 6 pack of beer. >:D
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3241 on: January 10, 2013, 05:01:09 PM »
I would say the person with the issues with the person taking so much time off in a short time as described could be a candidate for PD.  Yes, we are entitled to use our vacation time at work.  At the same time, if I was a manager, I would not have approved so much off time off in that short period of time for someone who is new.  I know I took very little time off right at the beginning of starting a new job that I have been at for a long time now (first 3 to 6 months) to show my dedication and learning my job duties.

Did you just tell ladyknight1 she was the PD candidate in your eyes? Or am I misreading your intent?
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3242 on: January 10, 2013, 07:40:03 PM »
Well, it wouldn't be me that is having to fill in for the receptionist. The team he works for has three people in total, and only one can be gone at any specific time. The problem is, he wants to take time that is already spoken for, and has basically stated that he will be taking the time off whether or not it is approved. He is just going to work his way out of a job.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3243 on: January 11, 2013, 07:48:11 PM »
Well, it wouldn't be me that is having to fill in for the receptionist. The team he works for has three people in total, and only one can be gone at any specific time. The problem is, he wants to take time that is already spoken for, and has basically stated that he will be taking the time off whether or not it is approved. He is just going to work his way out of a job.
Okay, with that background, it is definitely Professional Darwinism. I didn't realize he had said he would take the time regardless.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3244 on: January 15, 2013, 10:31:04 PM »
Slight update to our new coworker who insisted that his way had worked for 16 years and he wasn't going to change it now...

He has handed one of his changes over to another analyst because despite getting access to our code repository (usually a total no-no for analysts, who shouldn't NEED to see the code to make a decision about something) he insisted that he "didn't get access to the code in time", which utterly baffles me because there is no hard set deadline on this change, so I don't know what "in time" he's talking about.

He has also moved desks in the open plan office to avoid myself and the senior analyst who sits near me, and has basically started blanking both me (who is the assigned developer on his big project) and the senior analyst (who holds all the knowledge about the database tables he will be working with). He hasn't said a single word to me or the senior analyst in three weeks, he's had a blow up with the project manager, he barely attends project meetings (and when he does attend, sits through the meeting sullen and silent, looking bored out of his mind, and contributing nothing to the design of the solution he is going to be working on) and is just generally offending most of the project team he is going to be spending the next few months working with.

He's been here three months and has only had one code change go live, and that was only because the senior analyst got the helling and wrote the change herself.

If you're that unhappy here, just leave!  >:(
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3245 on: January 15, 2013, 10:38:01 PM »
Slight update to our new coworker who insisted that his way had worked for 16 years and he wasn't going to change it now...

He has handed one of his changes over to another analyst because despite getting access to our code repository (usually a total no-no for analysts, who shouldn't NEED to see the code to make a decision about something) he insisted that he "didn't get access to the code in time", which utterly baffles me because there is no hard set deadline on this change, so I don't know what "in time" he's talking about.

He has also moved desks in the open plan office to avoid myself and the senior analyst who sits near me, and has basically started blanking both me (who is the assigned developer on his big project) and the senior analyst (who holds all the knowledge about the database tables he will be working with). He hasn't said a single word to me or the senior analyst in three weeks, he's had a blow up with the project manager, he barely attends project meetings (and when he does attend, sits through the meeting sullen and silent, looking bored out of his mind, and contributing nothing to the design of the solution he is going to be working on) and is just generally offending most of the project team he is going to be spending the next few months working with.

He's been here three months and has only had one code change go live, and that was only because the senior analyst got the helling and wrote the change herself.

If you're that unhappy here, just leave!  >:(

 :o  ???  :o And he's still employed because...
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3246 on: January 15, 2013, 10:48:27 PM »
Slight update to our new coworker who insisted that his way had worked for 16 years and he wasn't going to change it now...

He has handed one of his changes over to another analyst because despite getting access to our code repository (usually a total no-no for analysts, who shouldn't NEED to see the code to make a decision about something) he insisted that he "didn't get access to the code in time", which utterly baffles me because there is no hard set deadline on this change, so I don't know what "in time" he's talking about.

He has also moved desks in the open plan office to avoid myself and the senior analyst who sits near me, and has basically started blanking both me (who is the assigned developer on his big project) and the senior analyst (who holds all the knowledge about the database tables he will be working with). He hasn't said a single word to me or the senior analyst in three weeks, he's had a blow up with the project manager, he barely attends project meetings (and when he does attend, sits through the meeting sullen and silent, looking bored out of his mind, and contributing nothing to the design of the solution he is going to be working on) and is just generally offending most of the project team he is going to be spending the next few months working with.

He's been here three months and has only had one code change go live, and that was only because the senior analyst got the helling and wrote the change herself.

If you're that unhappy here, just leave!  >:(

 :o  ???  :o And he's still employed because...
I think our boss is reluctant to admit he made a mistake hiring him. Or something, I don't know. He refuses to get rid of deadweight in our dept (there are three of them right now) and insists on doing performance management on them (insisting they upskill themselves etc), so I thinking maybe he's giving them enough rope to hang themselves with, or building up HR documentation or something. I hope.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3247 on: January 16, 2013, 01:19:56 AM »
Slight update to our new coworker who insisted that his way had worked for 16 years and he wasn't going to change it now...

He has handed one of his changes over to another analyst because despite getting access to our code repository (usually a total no-no for analysts, who shouldn't NEED to see the code to make a decision about something) he insisted that he "didn't get access to the code in time", which utterly baffles me because there is no hard set deadline on this change, so I don't know what "in time" he's talking about.

He has also moved desks in the open plan office to avoid myself and the senior analyst who sits near me, and has basically started blanking both me (who is the assigned developer on his big project) and the senior analyst (who holds all the knowledge about the database tables he will be working with). He hasn't said a single word to me or the senior analyst in three weeks, he's had a blow up with the project manager, he barely attends project meetings (and when he does attend, sits through the meeting sullen and silent, looking bored out of his mind, and contributing nothing to the design of the solution he is going to be working on) and is just generally offending most of the project team he is going to be spending the next few months working with.

He's been here three months and has only had one code change go live, and that was only because the senior analyst got the helling and wrote the change herself.

If you're that unhappy here, just leave!  >:(

 :o  ???  :o And he's still employed because...
I think our boss is reluctant to admit he made a mistake hiring him. Or something, I don't know. He refuses to get rid of deadweight in our dept (there are three of them right now) and insists on doing performance management on them (insisting they upskill themselves etc), so I thinking maybe he's giving them enough rope to hang themselves with, or building up HR documentation or something. I hope.

At least your PD candidate has a complex job.  At my work, the candidate for PD who is getting managed this way is the dishwasher.  He is beyond lazy - he appears to be actively unwilling to do his work.  The management had the awesome dishwasher who works in the mornings stay for the guy's night shift and "go over the closing procedures" with him again - basically, the good guy ended up having to work a twenty-hour day to do this training.  They don't want to acknowledge that the problem that we've all observed the bad dishwasher having isn't a lack of knowledge of how to do his job, it's that he just refuses to do it until the other staff snaps and starts getting angry at him.  The dishpit looks like a cartoon catastrophe while this guy is "working."  He will sit there with the dishes piled up around him  and the trash can overflowing and play on his phone.  It's not like he finishes it up before he leaves either - he leaves piles and piles of stuff for the next dishwasher to do.  I'm all for giving people chances and retraining employees who aren't "getting it," but this guy is purposefully not working, and they should have fired him before his probationary period ended.  Yes - this guy has been doing this for at least three months, and he's only been there for four.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3248 on: January 16, 2013, 05:20:44 AM »
You know, I really read dishpit wrong and... well, I was initially surprised you'd call someone that AND that it made it past the filters...
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3249 on: January 16, 2013, 05:23:34 AM »
You know, I really read dishpit wrong and... well, I was initially surprised you'd call someone that AND that it made it past the filters...

Ha!  It took a few read-throughs of the original post and yours not to wonder the same!

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3250 on: January 16, 2013, 06:03:01 AM »
Mr "16 years" is now participating in the few project meetings he condescends to attend but somehow manages to answer questions from the senior analyst without actually directly addressing the senior analyst (he answers the question, but directs the answer at the Project Manager, rather that at senior analyst who asked the question of him).   :o

Senior analyst thinks this whole thing is hilarious. She says she's going to make it a game to see how many direct questions she can ask Mr 16 Years in one meeting without him ever directly answering her.  ;D

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3251 on: January 16, 2013, 07:28:14 AM »
You know, I really read dishpit wrong and... well, I was initially surprised you'd call someone that AND that it made it past the filters...
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3252 on: January 16, 2013, 08:13:16 AM »
My local grocery store has a group of PD specialists. Under the old management, a group of women in their 50's and 60's were hired. Three work in the deli and two work in the front, bagging and stocking shelves. These women are nearly identical in their appearance, and they all move at their own pace. The three in the deli are notorious to the customers and management alike for moving extremely slowly. The sales from the deli slow down 50% when one of them is working, because they have absolutely no reason to move quickly, and it takes 10 minutes to get a deli order filled.

The two that work in the front like to take a coffee break (while on the clock) and sit on the benches in the front, instead of in their employee break room. The new management is nearly at wits end in attempts to bring a new attitude in these employees rather than letting them go.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3253 on: January 16, 2013, 08:14:06 AM »
I think in honor of all of our gutter-bound minds, I shall make "dishpit" my new insult.  "Look at that lane change!  Gads, what a dishpit!"
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3254 on: January 16, 2013, 08:35:30 AM »
I think in honor of all of our gutter-bound minds, I shall make "dishpit" my new insult.  "Look at that lane change!  Gads, what a dishpit!"

Oh, man!  You just made me snort coffee out of my nose!  But, I agree with you :)
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