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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3345 on: February 02, 2013, 11:26:04 AM »
Update on SS teacher!  The ELA classes have been doing lessons on advertising and propaganda.  Students engaged in lessons which required them to analyze ads and create some of their own.  Instead of letting the kids goose their own ads and topics, he assigned them.  Okay.  Class periods were given themes, like cars, clothes... and, uh, on class period focused exclusively on booze.

In the 7th grade.

Parents and admin were not amused.
Actually, I would think it would be informative to knock the shine off of alcohol by showing how companies BS about how awesome it is. Kids are probably already seeing these ads with no context when they watch tv - a good teacher could help them realize that drinking booze doesn't make a party break out and people magically like you etc.  ::)
Rather than preaching to kids about the evils of alcohol, you could simply show them how the supposed benefits are manufactured by companies just so they can sell their product. A good lesson on the psychology of consumerism.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3346 on: February 02, 2013, 11:35:43 AM »
I imagine if he had presented it that way, there would be less trouble, especially in the "analyze ads" portion.  CREATING ads for the same?  Not so much.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3347 on: February 02, 2013, 11:40:16 AM »
I imagine if he had presented it that way, there would be less trouble, especially in the "analyze ads" portion.  CREATING ads for the same?  Not so much.

I don't see why not, actually.  It has to be even more pointed a lesson if the pupils are given the assignment to create something that manipulates the response they want.  That could really ram the point home about how they themselves are manipulated by advertising.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3348 on: February 02, 2013, 01:56:45 PM »
Back in college, first year students had to take a math class.  Many of us would be majoring in education and methods of teaching elementary school math had changed since we were that age.  It was decided that the best course would be one in 'New Math'.

The Prof hired to teach this course was writing a textbook at the time and that was to be our textbook.  When I say writing, I mean really writing.  Each week we had to go to the college bookstore and pick up photocopies of the latest chapter as he finished it. 

The complaints started when nobody could make head nor tail of the thing.  In one of these installments three pages were left out and nobody, not even the Prof caught it. 

He was not hired for a second semester. 

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3349 on: February 02, 2013, 09:50:31 PM »
Does TurnItIn still automatically keep the text from all the papers submitted and add them to its database?  That's the part I have a problem with  :-\  I can definitely see how it would help catch plagiarists, though!

I think it does!  A friend of mine got 'dinged' for plagarism recently, when she was quoting HER OWN PAPER that she had written in a previous class!
You still have to cite yourself, even if it's an unpublished manuscript.

I agree. All the courses I have taken were clear that copying your own work was still copying. Any written material needs to be original (or quoted and cited). So copying your own work is technically plagerism.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3350 on: February 04, 2013, 08:28:29 AM »
This could either go here or the Student Darwinism thread.

I knew a woman who had her PhD revoked (annulled?).

She wrote her own dissertation fair and square.  However, she also wrote her husband's dissertation. 

No, he didn't get his PhD either. 

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3351 on: February 04, 2013, 10:20:40 AM »
I imagine if he had presented it that way, there would be less trouble, especially in the "analyze ads" portion.  CREATING ads for the same?  Not so much.

I don't see why not, actually.  It has to be even more pointed a lesson if the pupils are given the assignment to create something that manipulates the response they want.  That could really ram the point home about how they themselves are manipulated by advertising.

I'm not sure that grade 7 students would have the experience to analyze the subtlety of alcohol ads. At that age, I'd likely say, It shows a bottle, a drink with some ice, and some people in the background. Why would that make you want to drink it?
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3352 on: February 04, 2013, 11:30:38 AM »
This could either go here or the Student Darwinism thread.

I knew a woman who had her PhD revoked (annulled?).

She wrote her own dissertation fair and square.  However, she also wrote her husband's dissertation. 

No, he didn't get his PhD either.

My husband dislikes writing for assignments, but enjoys creative writing. He has not continued his undergraduate education because he dislikes writing so much.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3353 on: February 04, 2013, 11:50:31 AM »
Does TurnItIn still automatically keep the text from all the papers submitted and add them to its database?  That's the part I have a problem with  :-\  I can definitely see how it would help catch plagiarists, though!

I think it does!  A friend of mine got 'dinged' for plagarism recently, when she was quoting HER OWN PAPER that she had written in a previous class!

I've posted about this previously also - in college sites like this were still in the testing/working the bugs out phase.  I was dinged for properly attributed quotes that the software recognized (prof sorted it out) and also dinged for using my own papers as sources (again, properly attributed).

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3354 on: February 04, 2013, 01:00:40 PM »
This could either go here or the Student Darwinism thread.

I knew a woman who had her PhD revoked (annulled?).

She wrote her own dissertation fair and square.  However, she also wrote her husband's dissertation. 

No, he didn't get his PhD either.

That just seems like an enormous amount of effort.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3355 on: February 04, 2013, 02:55:01 PM »
The Prof hired to teach this course was writing a textbook at the time and that was to be our textbook.  When I say writing, I mean really writing.  Each week we had to go to the college bookstore and pick up photocopies of the latest chapter as he finished it. 

The complaints started when nobody could make head nor tail of the thing.  In one of these installments three pages were left out and nobody, not even the Prof caught it. 

He was not hired for a second semester.
When I was in PracticallyIvyLeague University, one professor was writing the textbook for the first course in a series of 3.  Think Very Technical Course 101, 102, and 103.  The textbook was copied, chapter by chapter, as we needed them.  There were lots of typographical and logical errors.  We were beta testing that textbook.  I was otherwise an A student, but I got a C in this course.  I was having problems understanding the concepts and it didn't help when I followed the textbook point by point, only to find out I memorized the incorrect information.  It didn't help that the professor's student helpers were so much in awe that they would not admit that any part of that textbook was wrong. When I sought help from the professor, he told me that I should know those were typos and not memorize them, then he asked me "Why do you keep reading the textbook if you don't understand it?" :o 

I think the latter comment belongs in the "brain-hurt conversations" thread.

Even more brain-hurty, after I graduated, this professor went on to be the Dean of the School of Engineering.  I changed majors because of him.  If I didn't understand 101, I was going to have more problems in 102 and 103, also taught by the same professor from the same "work in progress" textbook.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3356 on: February 04, 2013, 05:29:22 PM »
The Prof hired to teach this course was writing a textbook at the time and that was to be our textbook.  When I say writing, I mean really writing.  Each week we had to go to the college bookstore and pick up photocopies of the latest chapter as he finished it. 

The complaints started when nobody could make head nor tail of the thing.  In one of these installments three pages were left out and nobody, not even the Prof caught it. 

He was not hired for a second semester.
When I was in PracticallyIvyLeague University, one professor was writing the textbook for the first course in a series of 3.  Think Very Technical Course 101, 102, and 103.  The textbook was copied, chapter by chapter, as we needed them.  There were lots of typographical and logical errors.  We were beta testing that textbook.  I was otherwise an A student, but I got a C in this course.  I was having problems understanding the concepts and it didn't help when I followed the textbook point by point, only to find out I memorized the incorrect information.  It didn't help that the professor's student helpers were so much in awe that they would not admit that any part of that textbook was wrong. When I sought help from the professor, he told me that I should know those were typos and not memorize them, then he asked me "Why do you keep reading the textbook if you don't understand it?" :o 

I think the latter comment belongs in the "brain-hurt conversations" thread.

Even more brain-hurty, after I graduated, this professor went on to be the Dean of the School of Engineering.  I changed majors because of him.  If I didn't understand 101, I was going to have more problems in 102 and 103, also taught by the same professor from the same "work in progress" textbook.

I had a similar experience with my Complex Analysis class. Thankfully there's a number of really good text books out there to fall back on when nothing in the professor's book made any sense.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3357 on: February 04, 2013, 08:19:47 PM »


I've posted about this previously also - in college sites like this were still in the testing/working the bugs out phase.  I was dinged for properly attributed quotes that the software recognized (prof sorted it out) and also dinged for using my own papers as sources (again, properly attributed).
You can now set it to ignore proper citations, bibliographies, and short phrases. There's just not that many synonyms for 'President of the United States'.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3358 on: February 04, 2013, 09:15:04 PM »


I've posted about this previously also - in college sites like this were still in the testing/working the bugs out phase.  I was dinged for properly attributed quotes that the software recognized (prof sorted it out) and also dinged for using my own papers as sources (again, properly attributed).
You can now set it to ignore proper citations, bibliographies, and short phrases. There's just not that many synonyms for 'President of the United States'.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3359 on: February 04, 2013, 09:17:55 PM »
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