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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3915 on: June 13, 2013, 11:42:02 AM »
I never knew my father even had a doctorate until I was an adult, and never knew he was head of the lab he worked in until his funeral, when so many of his former employees came up to tell me what a good boss he was :(.

Your father: He was doing it right.

Well... I have to disagree, sadly.  A person not knowing major details (education, profession details) about a parent speaks volumes (pardon the pun) about a lack of communication.

I meant he was doing it right in not telling everyone about it, though I agree he should have told his children.

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« Reply #3916 on: June 13, 2013, 12:10:07 PM »
So does this mean when I complete my MBA in a couple months, it's not okay for me to insist everyone call me Master?

I have a MSc and my official job title is "Master" ;)

No, I'm no kidding. It's supposed to be short for Master Specialist, but it honestly is just "Master".

Considering I have, on occasion, made my children call me "Great Creator" I really can't see why you would pass up the opportunity to be called Master. At least occasionally. For fun. You know you want to... >:D

This is the most awesome thing I've heard in months.  Do you mind if I steal it?  Also, since I have a masters in mathematics, is it okay to insist on being called "Master" as well?  The difference these things could make in my life...
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3917 on: June 13, 2013, 12:49:24 PM »
So does this mean when I complete my MBA in a couple months, it's not okay for me to insist everyone call me Master?

I have a MSc and my official job title is "Master" ;)

No, I'm no kidding. It's supposed to be short for Master Specialist, but it honestly is just "Master".

Considering I have, on occasion, made my children call me "Great Creator" I really can't see why you would pass up the opportunity to be called Master. At least occasionally. For fun. You know you want to... >:D

This is the most awesome thing I've heard in months.  Do you mind if I steal it?  Also, since I have a masters in mathematics, is it okay to insist on being called "Master" as well?  The difference these things could make in my life...

Mistress of Math?  Mistress of Mathematics? 

Or if you are male - Master of Mathematics. 

Get a long black scarf with white numerals and various mathematical signs knitted (or crocheted) into it.  Or printed, if it is fleece.  I've seen something similar with ABCs and 123s for back to school.  I wonder if there is a more academically advanced version?
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3918 on: June 13, 2013, 02:55:32 PM »
I never knew my father even had a doctorate until I was an adult, and never knew he was head of the lab he worked in until his funeral, when so many of his former employees came up to tell me what a good boss he was :(.

Your father: He was doing it right.

Well... I have to disagree, sadly.  A person not knowing major details (education, profession details) about a parent speaks volumes (pardon the pun) about a lack of communication.

I meant he was doing it right in not telling everyone about it, though I agree he should have told his children.

I'll go ahead and ask, because it bothers me. Why is "telling everyone about it" bad?
It's bizarre to me that so many think simply using a title that one worked for and legitimately earned is bad etiquette (not to mention the catty PhDs-aren't-that-smart-anyway sniping later in the thread. Really? On an etiquette board?). I've seen this attitude come out just about any time PhDs, among other things, are mentioned. The consensus seems to be that we're* not allowed to even mention our accomplishments because that's "bragging" and people who haven't done the same might feel baaaad about themselves, and I don't understand the thought process behind that.




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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3919 on: June 13, 2013, 03:41:58 PM »
I never knew my father even had a doctorate until I was an adult, and never knew he was head of the lab he worked in until his funeral, when so many of his former employees came up to tell me what a good boss he was :(.

Your father: He was doing it right.

Well... I have to disagree, sadly.  A person not knowing major details (education, profession details) about a parent speaks volumes (pardon the pun) about a lack of communication.

I meant he was doing it right in not telling everyone about it, though I agree he should have told his children.

I'll go ahead and ask, because it bothers me. Why is "telling everyone about it" bad?
It's bizarre to me that so many think simply using a title that one worked for and legitimately earned is bad etiquette (not to mention the catty PhDs-aren't-that-smart-anyway sniping later in the thread. Really? On an etiquette board?). I've seen this attitude come out just about any time PhDs, among other things, are mentioned. The consensus seems to be that we're* not allowed to even mention our accomplishments because that's "bragging" and people who haven't done the same might feel baaaad about themselves, and I don't understand the thought process behind that.




*Technically, it's not "we", yet, but I'm working on it.

My feeling is that in any type of social circumstance where most of the folk are being called by their first name, calling oneself a doctor is very off putting.  When everyone is using their title, or in a setup where the use of Dr is appropriate, as in Dr's office or class room then time to use it.

I really dislike having someone introduce themselves as Dr. _ at a party.  Of course it has backfired on at least one person when we all reintroduced ourselves using our correct titles.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3920 on: June 13, 2013, 03:48:18 PM »
I'll go ahead and ask, because it bothers me. Why is "telling everyone about it" bad?
It's bizarre to me that so many think simply using a title that one worked for and legitimately earned is bad etiquette (not to mention the catty PhDs-aren't-that-smart-anyway sniping later in the thread. Really? On an etiquette board?). I've seen this attitude come out just about any time PhDs, among other things, are mentioned. The consensus seems to be that we're* not allowed to even mention our accomplishments because that's "bragging" and people who haven't done the same might feel baaaad about themselves, and I don't understand the thought process behind that.

*Technically, it's not "we", yet, but I'm working on it.


A professor who wants to be called, "Dr. Martin" by their students? No problem. Mentioning your degree when it's relevent? No problem. Demanding that everyone you meet, including the cashier at the gas station, call you Doctor? Rude, whether you're an MD or a PhD.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3921 on: June 13, 2013, 04:31:53 PM »
I'll go ahead and ask, because it bothers me. Why is "telling everyone about it" bad?
It's bizarre to me that so many think simply using a title that one worked for and legitimately earned is bad etiquette (not to mention the catty PhDs-aren't-that-smart-anyway sniping later in the thread. Really? On an etiquette board?). I've seen this attitude come out just about any time PhDs, among other things, are mentioned. The consensus seems to be that we're* not allowed to even mention our accomplishments because that's "bragging" and people who haven't done the same might feel baaaad about themselves, and I don't understand the thought process behind that.

*Technically, it's not "we", yet, but I'm working on it.


A professor who wants to be called, "Dr. Martin" by their students? No problem. Mentioning your degree when it's relevent? No problem. Demanding that everyone you meet, including the cashier at the gas station, call you Doctor? Rude, whether you're an MD or a PhD.

Why, though? That's what I don't get. How is Dr any different from Mrs or Mr? Why is it fine to introduce myself as Ms. Grancalla, but introducing myself as Dr. Grancalla makes me rude/demanding/SS? It makes no sense to me.
Also, who gets to decide when it's "relevant"? By the time I'm done with my degree, I will have spent a rather sizable chunk of my life on it. That makes it a very relevant part of my identity, as far as I'm concerned, and not just in a professional context. If we go by the same logic, calling yourself Mrs. Smith is only polite in situations relevant to marriage

(People will probably say they only meant people who pull the how-dare-you-not-call-me-Dr-even-though-there's-no-way-you-would-have-known-about-it BS, but if you look at previous threads, you'll see it's not limited to that. Even something as simple as: "Is it Ms or Mrs. Smith?" "It's Dr. Smith, actually" gets people called SS.)
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3922 on: June 13, 2013, 04:55:01 PM »
I see what you are saying, Grancalla. To me it is equally weird to use "Mrs. Dove" in casual socializing.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3923 on: June 13, 2013, 05:00:11 PM »
So does this mean when I complete my MBA in a couple months, it's not okay for me to insist everyone call me Master?

I have a MSc and my official job title is "Master" ;)

No, I'm no kidding. It's supposed to be short for Master Specialist, but it honestly is just "Master".

Considering I have, on occasion, made my children call me "Great Creator" I really can't see why you would pass up the opportunity to be called Master. At least occasionally. For fun. You know you want to... >:D

This is the most awesome thing I've heard in months.  Do you mind if I steal it?  Also, since I have a masters in mathematics, is it okay to insist on being called "Master" as well?  The difference these things could make in my life...

Go right ahead. :) I also like the full "Master of Mathematics". It sounds so much more impressive than just plain "Master". And I agree that it needs an outfit as well. Of course since I have a plain old bachelor's degree in mathematics I probably should bow or something...
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3924 on: June 13, 2013, 05:33:10 PM »
I'll go ahead and ask, because it bothers me. Why is "telling everyone about it" bad?
It's bizarre to me that so many think simply using a title that one worked for and legitimately earned is bad etiquette (not to mention the catty PhDs-aren't-that-smart-anyway sniping later in the thread. Really? On an etiquette board?). I've seen this attitude come out just about any time PhDs, among other things, are mentioned. The consensus seems to be that we're* not allowed to even mention our accomplishments because that's "bragging" and people who haven't done the same might feel baaaad about themselves, and I don't understand the thought process behind that.

*Technically, it's not "we", yet, but I'm working on it.


A professor who wants to be called, "Dr. Martin" by their students? No problem. Mentioning your degree when it's relevent? No problem. Demanding that everyone you meet, including the cashier at the gas station, call you Doctor? Rude, whether you're an MD or a PhD.

That... though I might not call it rude per se... a little... off maybe?

I think it feels a little off to me because if you are at a party or whatever and you say "Hi I'm Doctor Martin" people might look at you funny, but if you say "Hi I'm June." you're fine, because saying "Hi I'm Doctor Martin" kinda elevates you above everyone else, if that makes sense?

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« Reply #3925 on: June 13, 2013, 05:34:47 PM »
I saw the video of the woman having the epic meltdown in Dunkin Donuts this morning and my jaw is still on the floor!  The fact that she made the decision to film herself threatening these poor minimum wage employees over a receipt made my brain hurt.  I loveloveloved it when the employees just ignored her and her temper tantrum, even when she got vile and made racist comments.  And she told her attorney?  Did she tell him she was going to attempt to get herself arrested for disorderly conduct?  If I was an employee there I would have called the police ASAP!

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3926 on: June 13, 2013, 05:35:20 PM »
ough? That's what I don't get. How is Dr any different from Mrs or Mr? Why is it fine to introduce myself as Ms. Grancalla, but introducing myself as Dr. Grancalla makes me rude/demanding/SS? It makes no sense to me.

Why? Because it's pretentious. It's insisting on a hierarchy where it isn't relevant. In a casual interaction, say with a clerk, it's extremely inappropriate and speaks volumes about the insecurity of the person insisting on it. Someone needing to have a store clerk acknowledge their academic achievement is in need of some help (and a big dose of humility.)

Ms. Grancalla is a social peer to Miss Demeanor, Mrs. Steak and Mr. Roberts; those titles don't denote much beyond gender and possibly marital status. In a social situation, that's appropriate. With a doctorate, you may be my superior in your field (I lack any advanced degree) but when we are meeting in a social situation, that superiority isn't relevant and shouldn't be insisted upon.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3927 on: June 13, 2013, 05:39:45 PM »
I saw the video of the woman having the epic meltdown in Dunkin Donuts this morning and my jaw is still on the floor!  The fact that she made the decision to film herself threatening these poor minimum wage employees over a receipt made my brain hurt.  I loveloveloved it when the employees just ignored her and her temper tantrum, even when she got vile and made racist comments.  And she told her attorney?  Did she tell him she was going to attempt to get herself arrested for disorderly conduct?  If I was an employee there I would have called the police ASAP!
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3928 on: June 13, 2013, 05:46:25 PM »
So does this mean when I complete my MBA in a couple months, it's not okay for me to insist everyone call me Master?

I have a MSc and my official job title is "Master" ;)

No, I'm no kidding. It's supposed to be short for Master Specialist, but it honestly is just "Master".

Considering I have, on occasion, made my children call me "Great Creator" I really can't see why you would pass up the opportunity to be called Master. At least occasionally. For fun. You know you want to... >:D

This is the most awesome thing I've heard in months.  Do you mind if I steal it?  Also, since I have a masters in mathematics, is it okay to insist on being called "Master" as well?  The difference these things could make in my life...

Mistress of Math?  Mistress of Mathematics? 

Or if you are male - Master of Mathematics. 

Get a long black scarf with white numerals and various mathematical signs knitted (or crocheted) into it.  Or printed, if it is fleece.  I've seen something similar with ABCs and 123s for back to school.  I wonder if there is a more academically advanced version?

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #3929 on: June 13, 2013, 05:50:00 PM »
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