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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4245 on: August 27, 2013, 03:21:31 PM »
Is that who I think it is?
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4246 on: August 27, 2013, 03:47:15 PM »
Oy vey! ::)

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4247 on: August 27, 2013, 05:24:06 PM »
Reporting this co-worker to my boss:
http://www.etiquettehell.com/smf/index.php?topic=74341.msg2971318#msg2971318

...did absolutely no good. Head boss now just shrugs all of us off with "Send me an email when she does those things." New co-worker came up to me during my lunch break recently and started acting apologetic and squirrely. We had been working on different sides of the store, so I had no idea what her work station was looking like that day. I thought "Oh man, she must've done something wrong to be buttering me up like this." I found out a few days later she'd broken equipment without telling anyone; she was the last name on the sign out sheet for the equipment. Nobody else had work assignments between the day she acted odd and the day I found the broken equipment. The boss' reaction was "You don't know she was the one who broke it."  ???

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4248 on: August 27, 2013, 05:29:18 PM »
Is that who I think it is?

No, he's a US citizen.  This was one of his now former coworkers.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4249 on: August 27, 2013, 05:47:16 PM »
Bad news, Team Bhakta. I would not help co-worker, let her work her way out.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4250 on: August 27, 2013, 11:02:59 PM »
3) to borrow a coworker's secure access card and still hasn't returned it to coworker

That's PD*2 - not only should she get canned for doing that, her coworker who loaned the card should as well.

Totally agree - very poor decision on the CW's part to loan out the card.

The only way I could see this not being PD is if it was approved by a manager, in a "help the new employee" kind of way.  For example, when I first started one job, I had to get a security clearance in order to even enter the office space.  I got my clearance but it was not reflected on my badge for a week or so - for that week people were approved to open the door for me whenever I needed it.  Though I didn't ever take someone's card, I had to knock and wait til someone was available to help.

Pretty much exactly that. Boss told CW to lend new person her card to allow her to get to essentials like the kitchen and bathroom (we have locked access doors between various sections). Except CW said to new person "I'm going to leave the card on my desk while I'm working, you can walk by and take it to get to things when you need it". New person didn't understand that as "take it and put it back when you're done", but rather "take it and walk off with it for the rest of the day". CW got it back by going up to new person and asking for it back before CW left for the day.

I hope in the case of the Rx painkillers that that coworker said NO.  Red flag!
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4251 on: August 27, 2013, 11:08:42 PM »
#4 to me is the biggest red flag. But why would she even know that a coworker has prescription painkillers? This woman just started and most people don't routinely go around telling strangers what medications they're using. Or did she just make a general statement that she needed some Vicodin for her headache because Advil just won't work?

That was the weird thing. She came and sat down next to CW and me (we have adjoining desks) and asked us (but she was talking to CW more than me) if we had painkillers. We pointed her to the medical aid kit and said there were probably Aspirin or Paracetomol tablets in there. She said that Paracetomol wouldn't do it, she needed something stronger because she "got headaches from her eyes". I know CW currently has nasty sinus issues so her doctor gave her perscription meds with codiene in it, but I'm not sure how exactly new person got wind of this. When CW said she'd left her meds at home that day, new person went back to her desk and didn't ask anyone else, or even the office in general, so it seemed like she was targetting CW with the meds. The more I think about it, the wierder that whole thing seems.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4252 on: August 28, 2013, 03:50:38 AM »
#4 to me is the biggest red flag. But why would she even know that a coworker has prescription painkillers? This woman just started and most people don't routinely go around telling strangers what medications they're using. Or did she just make a general statement that she needed some Vicodin for her headache because Advil just won't work?

That was the weird thing. She came and sat down next to CW and me (we have adjoining desks) and asked us (but she was talking to CW more than me) if we had painkillers. We pointed her to the medical aid kit and said there were probably Aspirin or Paracetomol tablets in there. She said that Paracetomol wouldn't do it, she needed something stronger because she "got headaches from her eyes". I know CW currently has nasty sinus issues so her doctor gave her perscription meds with codiene in it, but I'm not sure how exactly new person got wind of this. When CW said she'd left her meds at home that day, new person went back to her desk and didn't ask anyone else, or even the office in general, so it seemed like she was targetting CW with the meds. The more I think about it, the wierder that whole thing seems.

Slight Update: I may have to revise my negative opinion of new coworker slightly.

New coworker made a gift bracelet for the daughter of the coworker who gave her lifts, as it's the coworker's daughter's birthday, so she made the girl a beaded bracelet. (I found this out because new coworker was walking around asking if anyone had pliers or could help her close the last loop on the bracelet to get the catch to be secure). That's actually very sweet of her, so I'm less purely negative and more ambivalent about her now. Time will tell how pleasant working with her turns out to be (although I'm a little iffy about her finishing off jewelry on work time).

She also rubbed up a couple of other coworkers  the wrong way when she did forcefully insert herself into a lunch group.  These three work buddies always take their breaks together, and new coworker took her lunch at the same time and simply forced herself into the group seated around a tiny table. It was so noticable we were prodding the three buddies about it this morning (before new coworker got in), asking them about the fourth muskateer at their lunch table, and all three were rather put off by her pushiness.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4253 on: August 28, 2013, 08:39:41 AM »
Slight Update: I may have to revise my negative opinion of new coworker slightly.

New coworker made a gift bracelet for the daughter of the coworker who gave her lifts, as it's the coworker's daughter's birthday, so she made the girl a beaded bracelet. (I found this out because new coworker was walking around asking if anyone had pliers or could help her close the last loop on the bracelet to get the catch to be secure). That's actually very sweet of her, so I'm less purely negative and more ambivalent about her now. Time will tell how pleasant working with her turns out to be (although I'm a little iffy about her finishing off jewelry on work time).

This would actually make me leery of her. I've seen people who start out by being "very sweet" and overly generous as a ploy. Hey, I gave you something, so you know I'm generous! I remembered you said it was your DD's birthday, so you know I listen to you! Now you've accepted me, here's what you owe me in return....
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4254 on: August 28, 2013, 09:29:34 AM »
Slight Update: I may have to revise my negative opinion of new coworker slightly.

New coworker made a gift bracelet for the daughter of the coworker who gave her lifts, as it's the coworker's daughter's birthday, so she made the girl a beaded bracelet. (I found this out because new coworker was walking around asking if anyone had pliers or could help her close the last loop on the bracelet to get the catch to be secure). That's actually very sweet of her, so I'm less purely negative and more ambivalent about her now. Time will tell how pleasant working with her turns out to be (although I'm a little iffy about her finishing off jewelry on work time).

This would actually make me leery of her. I've seen people who start out by being "very sweet" and overly generous as a ploy. Hey, I gave you something, so you know I'm generous! I remembered you said it was your DD's birthday, so you know I listen to you! Now you've accepted me, here's what you owe me in return....

Gotta agree with this one. Giving a gift to the daughter of someone you've known for only a couple of days, whether they've done you a favour or not, is assuming -- or trying to create -- wayyyyyy more of a close relationship than actually exists. And the fact that she was really obvious about finishing it at work makes me suspicious too. She makes jewellery at home, as a hobby or whatever? She has pliers. If she was actually working on the bracelet at work, she had the pliers at work. Unless the bracelet was braided or corded and that was the single solitary jump ring involved in its construction (in which case I will admit to being a cynical snarky person and thinking badly of your new coworker without sufficient proof), then either she did all the rest of the work at home and brought it in with that one ring left unclasped so that she could walk around with it asking for help and show everybody that hey! she's nice! she made a Thing for Mandy's daughter!, or else she did some of the work at her desk (using ze pliers!) and put the pliers away with that one ring left unclasped so that she could walk around etc etc insert cynical snark here.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4255 on: August 28, 2013, 09:40:17 AM »
The 'Look How Nice I'm Being' aspect of the bracelet got me too.  How many people keep jewelry pliers in their desks? 

Only the security card episode could be grounds for dismissal and, as other posters have pointed out, there are many different kinds of security access cards.  Still, this woman sounds extremely annoying. 

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4256 on: August 28, 2013, 10:46:34 AM »
The 'Look How Nice I'm Being' aspect of the bracelet got me too.  How many people keep jewelry pliers in their desks? 

Only the security card episode could be grounds for dismissal and, as other posters have pointed out, there are many different kinds of security access cards.  Still, this woman sounds extremely annoying.

I used to keep jewelry pliers in my desk! It was a lot easier to do some quick crafting work during downtime at the office (no cats batting at the wires...chewing on the wires...tugging on the wires), and it came in handy when our IT people occasionally had to improvise.  :)

But yeah, I think this person still bears watching.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4257 on: August 28, 2013, 11:20:54 AM »
Oh, that would chap my hide as well.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4258 on: August 28, 2013, 11:21:50 AM »
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Way wrong thing to say here, in this environment. I put the portion of what was said that irked me most in italics.

That reminds me of something that's bugged me in the past at my office:

Annoying Newbie Co-worker:  Where's Boss?
Me:  She's not in yet. 
Annoying Newbie Co-worker:   Well, when she finally gets here, let me know.

Okay.  First of all, Boss often gets late-night work calls that end up burning the midnight oil, so her hours tend to be a bit nuts.  Even if that weren't the case, she works extremely hard and is always putting in extra time.  Hers is not a 9-5 job, is what I'm saying.  For another thing, hey, Annoying Newbie Co-worker?  I'm not your personal secretary.
 

Is it bad to admit that I kind of hope you didn't tell NCW when your boss finally got there?  Bonus points if NCW went in to Boss and said "Well, now that you're FINALLY here, I have a question." 

Yeah.  Professional Darwinism at its finest.   :)

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4259 on: August 28, 2013, 11:26:34 AM »
Slight Update: I may have to revise my negative opinion of new coworker slightly.

New coworker made a gift bracelet for the daughter of the coworker who gave her lifts, as it's the coworker's daughter's birthday, so she made the girl a beaded bracelet. (I found this out because new coworker was walking around asking if anyone had pliers or could help her close the last loop on the bracelet to get the catch to be secure). That's actually very sweet of her, so I'm less purely negative and more ambivalent about her now. Time will tell how pleasant working with her turns out to be (although I'm a little iffy about her finishing off jewelry on work time).

This would actually make me leery of her. I've seen people who start out by being "very sweet" and overly generous as a ploy. Hey, I gave you something, so you know I'm generous! I remembered you said it was your DD's birthday, so you know I listen to you! Now you've accepted me, here's what you owe me in return....

Gotta agree with this one. Giving a gift to the daughter of someone you've known for only a couple of days, whether they've done you a favour or not, is assuming -- or trying to create -- wayyyyyy more of a close relationship than actually exists. And the fact that she was really obvious about finishing it at work makes me suspicious too. She makes jewellery at home, as a hobby or whatever? She has pliers. If she was actually working on the bracelet at work, she had the pliers at work. Unless the bracelet was braided or corded and that was the single solitary jump ring involved in its construction (in which case I will admit to being a cynical snarky person and thinking badly of your new coworker without sufficient proof), then either she did all the rest of the work at home and brought it in with that one ring left unclasped so that she could walk around with it asking for help and show everybody that hey! she's nice! she made a Thing for Mandy's daughter!, or else she did some of the work at her desk (using ze pliers!) and put the pliers away with that one ring left unclasped so that she could walk around etc etc insert cynical snark here.

 It wouldn't make me leery at all, If the coworker had been giving her rides and it was the daughter's birthday I would just think this was a way to show some appreciate of the effort the co worker was making and a way to say thank you.