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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4455 on: September 13, 2013, 03:20:15 PM »
New story from my mom. Years ago, she had a Crazy CoWorker (CCW). CCW had some issues with her temper, but most of it was just general grousing. Admittedly, it was constant, but it wasn't enough to get her fired.

Then came the day when someone on the other end of the phone said something that CCW didn't like. CCW yelled into the phone, then slammed the handset down on the desk several times. When she finally stopped slamming, there was a collection of wires hanging from her hand and chipped plastic all over her desk. She stormed into her boss's office and threw it on his desk and said "I'm going to be needing a new replacement handset. You can charge it to my paycheck," and walked out again.

She wasn't fired for that, but she was fired later for other reasons.

The way I heard about this story was her boss (and mom's boss) had to fire them later for something. Now (years afterwards, and several jobs later) mom is once again working with this boss. He's no longer directly over her, but they interact a lot. And it's funny to go to the new upper management in the company and see their reaction when mom casually mentiones the time when Boss fired her. The two of them get a giggle out of it every single time.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4456 on: September 15, 2013, 02:51:07 PM »
I was eating lunch at Olive Garden with my parents. I made a joke. Our waitress randomly popped up and asked "So, are you guys doing anything fun today ?  :D Or this is it ?....*long awkward pause because we're all doing this face ---> :o*....So this is the only fun thing you're doing today ?  :("  I'm assuming that's one of those random "get closer to the customer" lines corporate mandates,  but dang, that was a wee bit too familiar for my taste!

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4457 on: September 15, 2013, 04:24:43 PM »
I encountered a man at work yesterday who it seems has committed PD with pretty much anyone he's encountered who might have been in the position to employ him.  A Google search revealed that he has been fired from several journalist positions and proclaims himself an expert in all things dealing with "politics, history, geography, science, and math."  Seems he's tried to blackmail media outlets into giving him a job, or even to pay him to NOT print his pieces.

The university I work for is compiling information on the incident and his continued harassment of our employees, but here's the general letter I sent to my director, the university president, and our security staff after he came to my office yesterday.  I've been purposely vague in some areas.  I hope it makes sense.  Can't imagine why he's a "freelance journalist and traveling archaeologist" (his words!)


Remember this guy from a few pages back?  Well, he showed up in my office again yesterday afternoon, about 5 minutes before we closed.  When I went to see what he wanted, he started in on me for not implementing his agenda quickly enough.  I basically told him that it was closing time, and I didn't have time to address his issues today.  That started a whole new narcissistic rant, with vitriolic insults aimed at me.  He called me all manner of things, from stupid to academically and professionally incompetent.  At this point, I called security.  He then encountered a coworker of mine in the hallway outside my office, who also asked him to leave.  He verbally attacked me to coworker as well.  Security escorted him from the building. 

I learned this morning that Mr. Narcissist then wandered over to the university president's office, but was unable to see the president as he had no appointment and it was AFTER CLOSING.  He harangued the secretary there before again being escorted out by security. 

He has now been banned from campus, his name and description have been passed along to city police.  We are part of a dozen or so area historic sites which form a network to pool resources.  Since one of his targets for "fact-checking" and harassment seem to be museum-type places, they have also been notified.  I've informally passed along the info to the local newpaper my mom works for as well.

I don't know if this guy realizes how things like this play out in small towns like ours.  If he had any hopes of using his (impressive/obsessive) fact-checking skills or journalism background to gain any kind of employment around here, that's not going to happen.

Good! He can stay at home and play with his tinfoil.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4458 on: September 16, 2013, 09:56:50 AM »
Someone at my old job got fired, showed up to peacefully talk it over with my bosses and then went home. Because the talk didn't result in a rehire, she later tried to file workman's comp "because I tripped on the railroad gravel leaving the office and cut my knee open very badly. I was sitting outside crying in pain." She was disappointed this scam didn't pan out. She called us after the claim was denied to cry, scream and threaten us with "IT REALLY HAPPENED! YOU ARE HURTING MY FEELINGS! I AM NOT A LIAR!....*vitriolic, illogical rant*....HOW DARE YOU POINT OUT ALL THE CONTRADICTING STORIES I'VE GIVEN YOU & WC ABOUT THE INCIDENT! I DIDN'T THINK TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL OR LET YOU GUYS KNOW I WAS HURT, BUT THAT ISN'T THE POINT!" After that, the rule was "do not ever connect NuttyGirl when she phones us."

But if she had alredy been fired, she was no longer an employee of the company, correct? And therefore not eligible for WC, or am I missing something here?

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4459 on: September 16, 2013, 11:06:19 AM »
The thing that worries me about things like this are that somehow, somewhere, they've picked up the idea that *this is okay*. Sure, they could just be massively clueless but I'm afraid cynicalIris usually suspects that they have voiced this kind of comment aloud and never been reprimanded for it. It's only when they create a digital trace of it that the companies take action. Interesting assumption I know, but that's where my mind goes.

I'm sure that's true for some of them... but if it makes you feel any better, I've met/encountered quite a few people who go wayyyy further in text/email/chat than they ever would face-to-face or on the phone. It's like if it doesn't involve seeing or hearing the person they're communicating with, it's somehow not quite 'real' to them, and their social acceptability filters switch off.

They tend to be awfully surprised when they're called on it. ::)

That does make me feel a little more hopeful for the future of the human race. Thank you  :)

It's even backed up by science! ;D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_disinhibition_effect

(I went googling for the Penny Arcade strip mentioned near the end of that page - warning, there's a Rude Word there - but the Wikipedia article is much more appropriate for EHell. :P)

Gulp! That's scary, that article is.

I've had to learn never to read comments on online newspaper articles, they just seem to mine the depths of human depravity, from all sides of the political/philosophical spectrum. Basically, I've concluded that there is no idea or principle one can hold, but that reading such comments sections will make one feel embarrassed for being associated with it.

I should remember to offer thanks to both our members and our mods who ensure that this site is something rare on the internet, a discussion site that does not resemble a nest of rabid weasels snarling at each other.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4460 on: September 16, 2013, 02:36:34 PM »
The thing that worries me about things like this are that somehow, somewhere, they've picked up the idea that *this is okay*. Sure, they could just be massively clueless but I'm afraid cynicalIris usually suspects that they have voiced this kind of comment aloud and never been reprimanded for it. It's only when they create a digital trace of it that the companies take action. Interesting assumption I know, but that's where my mind goes.

I'm sure that's true for some of them... but if it makes you feel any better, I've met/encountered quite a few people who go wayyyy further in text/email/chat than they ever would face-to-face or on the phone. It's like if it doesn't involve seeing or hearing the person they're communicating with, it's somehow not quite 'real' to them, and their social acceptability filters switch off.

They tend to be awfully surprised when they're called on it. ::)

That does make me feel a little more hopeful for the future of the human race. Thank you  :)

It's even backed up by science! ;D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_disinhibition_effect

(I went googling for the Penny Arcade strip mentioned near the end of that page - warning, there's a Rude Word there - but the Wikipedia article is much more appropriate for EHell. :P)

Gulp! That's scary, that article is.

I've had to learn never to read comments on online newspaper articles, they just seem to mine the depths of human depravity, from all sides of the political/philosophical spectrum. Basically, I've concluded that there is no idea or principle one can hold, but that reading such comments sections will make one feel embarrassed for being associated with it.

I should remember to offer thanks to both our members and our mods who ensure that this site is something rare on the internet, a discussion site that does not resemble a nest of rabid weasels snarling at each other.

I must be really lucky.  I read several sites besides this one and they are all usually polite and civil (even one which is dedicated to a certain profession that is stuck with the stereotype of being crude and uneducated).  I am also a mod on a smaller site, and the amount of work it takes to keep the rest of the members from seeing the crud that goes on behind the scenes, and cleaning up messes when they do happen is insane. I can't imagine how tough it is here, as this is a much larger site.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4461 on: September 17, 2013, 11:12:11 AM »
In this day and age, you have to be really bold to lie about a degree. She did get away with it for a short time.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/wall-street-journal-elizabeth-obagy-fired-96637.html?hp=f2

For those who don't want to go to the story, this young woman was hired as an intern. "O’Bagy started at the institute as an unpaid intern and was pulled into their work on Syria when a researcher needed a fluent Arabic speaker, which transformed her internship into a much longer gig. Kagan hired O’Bagy as an analyst around August or September 2012, and said her understanding was that O’Bagy was working toward her Ph.D. at Georgetown." According to Georgetown University, O'Bagy earned a BA and a MA, but is not registered as a student.

She has been fired.

O'Bagy now admits she was never enrolled in the doctoral program.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/syria-analyst-cited-by-kerry-admits-she-was-never-in-phd-program/
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4462 on: September 17, 2013, 11:27:32 PM »
There was a lawyer on the news talking about the recent navy yard shooting. The interviewer asked her how employers could screen for mental issues in potential employees, since they aren't allowed to directly ask in interviews. The lawyer laughed and said cheerfully "I tell my clients 'I'd rather you go ahead and violate (disablity hiring law) by asking inappropriate questions now and defend you in a lawsuit about it later, rather than ending up with a situation like that (the shooting) down the line." I don't know if she's normally that stupid or she secretly had a huge liquid lunch beforehand  ???

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4463 on: September 17, 2013, 11:36:57 PM »
There was a lawyer on the news talking about the recent navy yard shooting. The interviewer asked her how employers could screen for mental issues in potential employees, since they aren't allowed to directly ask in interviews. The lawyer laughed and said cheerfully "I tell my clients 'I'd rather you go ahead and violate (disablity hiring law) by asking inappropriate questions now and defend you in a lawsuit about it later, rather than ending up with a situation like that (the shooting) down the line." I don't know if she's normally that stupid or she secretly had a huge liquid lunch beforehand  ???

What would you ask, anyway?

"Are you a massive jerk who thinks it's okay to take out your problems on others?"
"Are you the GOOD kind of sociopath that will end up on the management fast track, or the other kind?"
"Can't do anything with children, can you?" the woman said.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4464 on: September 18, 2013, 01:00:50 AM »
There was a lawyer on the news talking about the recent navy yard shooting. The interviewer asked her how employers could screen for mental issues in potential employees, since they aren't allowed to directly ask in interviews. The lawyer laughed and said cheerfully "I tell my clients 'I'd rather you go ahead and violate (disablity hiring law) by asking inappropriate questions now and defend you in a lawsuit about it later, rather than ending up with a situation like that (the shooting) down the line." I don't know if she's normally that stupid or she secretly had a huge liquid lunch beforehand  ???

What would you ask, anyway?

"Are you a massive jerk who thinks it's okay to take out your problems on others?"
"Are you the GOOD kind of sociopath that will end up on the management fast track, or the other kind?"



Now, if you get fired from your job what is the proper thing to do
a) Look for another job ?
b) file for unemployment ?
c) bring your large cachet of weapons in for show and tell?

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4465 on: September 18, 2013, 02:42:50 AM »
There was a lawyer on the news talking about the recent navy yard shooting. The interviewer asked her how employers could screen for mental issues in potential employees, since they aren't allowed to directly ask in interviews. The lawyer laughed and said cheerfully "I tell my clients 'I'd rather you go ahead and violate (disablity hiring law) by asking inappropriate questions now and defend you in a lawsuit about it later, rather than ending up with a situation like that (the shooting) down the line." I don't know if she's normally that stupid or she secretly had a huge liquid lunch beforehand  ???

What would you ask, anyway?

"Are you a massive jerk who thinks it's okay to take out your problems on others?"
"Are you the GOOD kind of sociopath that will end up on the management fast track, or the other kind?"



Now, if you get fired from your job what is the proper thing to do
a) Look for another job ?
b) file for unemployment ?
c) bring your large cachet of weapons in for show and tell?

"C! No, wait, I meant A! A! Darn it, I ALWAYS get that one wrong!"  ;D
"Can't do anything with children, can you?" the woman said.

Poirot thought you could, but forebore to say so.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4466 on: September 18, 2013, 12:04:32 PM »
Flipping through the channels: Someone left the camera running at the news station, in front of the weather map, while the weatherman was behind it somewhere asking "Are you my relief ? Are you my relief ? I hope you're my relief. Where's my relief ?" Gave me a good laugh!

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4467 on: September 18, 2013, 01:07:04 PM »
Breaking story today:

A European dating site decides to advertise on Facebook. It uses images the director admits were "scraped" from the web, to indicate the sort of young women you could meet near Halifax, Nova Scotia.

One of the images prominent in the ad is of a teenaged girl recently bullied into suicide. No permissions were ever given, of course, to use her image for dating site ads.

dating site is now banned from Facebook.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4468 on: September 18, 2013, 01:40:56 PM »
Breaking story today:

A European dating site decides to advertise on Facebook. It uses images the director admits were "scraped" from the web, to indicate the sort of young women you could meet near Halifax, Nova Scotia.

One of the images prominent in the ad is of a teenaged girl recently bullied into suicide. No permissions were ever given, of course, to use her image for dating site ads.

dating site is now banned from Facebook.

I saw that.  That is appalling on so many levels

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #4469 on: September 18, 2013, 02:19:06 PM »
There was a lawyer on the news talking about the recent navy yard shooting. The interviewer asked her how employers could screen for mental issues in potential employees, since they aren't allowed to directly ask in interviews. The lawyer laughed and said cheerfully "I tell my clients 'I'd rather you go ahead and violate (disablity hiring law) by asking inappropriate questions now and defend you in a lawsuit about it later, rather than ending up with a situation like that (the shooting) down the line." I don't know if she's normally that stupid or she secretly had a huge liquid lunch beforehand  ???

What would you ask, anyway?

"Are you a massive jerk who thinks it's okay to take out your problems on others?"
"Are you the GOOD kind of sociopath that will end up on the management fast track, or the other kind?"

I had to apply for a security clearance for a job I had in college.  They had this very long panel of questions, and some of them were utterly wild.  "Do you ever feel like a rubber band is wrapped around your head?"  "Do animals ever talk to you?"  "Do you hear voices telling you what to do?"  I realize that the questions are probing for things like schizophrenia, but I found myself wondering if people really do ever answer "yes."  I mentioned it to my boss, and he said that yes, yes, some people actually do.  I guess if you're actually in the middle of a disease like that, you might not realize that most people *don't* hear voices or hear animals talking, or you might be relieved to see the question and think that, yes, this *is* normal, otherwise why would they be asking?  Or something?
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