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KenveeB

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #5505 on: April 18, 2014, 08:41:30 AM »
http://gawker.com/professor-suspended-over-threatening-game-of-thrones-1564357810

Professor posts a picture of his daughter wearing a shirt with a Game of Thrones quote - "I'll take what is mine with fire and blood".

The administration suspended him. They are claiming that he could be threatening to shoot up the school. It had nothing to do with the fact the professor had filed a grievance about being denied a sabbatical.  The faculty had registered a no confidence vote against the University President.


It sounds like the administration might be committing PD.

I don't think there's any might about it there.  GoT is a popular fandom and it could just be that he's happy that he can share a fandom with his daughter.

IIRC, there was a similar incident a few years ago at a university where a professor put a quote from Firefly on his door ("If I ever do kill you, you'll be awake, you'll be standing and you'll be armed" or something along those lines - it's the main character's response when one of the other characters asks what's stopping the MC from killing him in his sleep). The administration told him to take it down because it was "threatening" and when he complained threatened to suspend him.

He put a quote like that on his office door and was surprised when he was told to take it down? If someone in my office posted that I would definitely take it as a possible threat. That really has no place in a workplace.

Yeah, I agree there's a big difference between putting that on your office door and posting a picture of your child who just happens to be wearing a Firefly shirt. One is directly endorsing the statement, the other is not.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #5506 on: April 18, 2014, 08:44:13 AM »
http://gawker.com/professor-suspended-over-threatening-game-of-thrones-1564357810

Professor posts a picture of his daughter wearing a shirt with a Game of Thrones quote - "I'll take what is mine with fire and blood".

The administration suspended him. They are claiming that he could be threatening to shoot up the school. It had nothing to do with the fact the professor had filed a grievance about being denied a sabbatical.  The faculty had registered a no confidence vote against the University President.


It sounds like the administration might be committing PD.

I don't think there's any might about it there.  GoT is a popular fandom and it could just be that he's happy that he can share a fandom with his daughter.

IIRC, there was a similar incident a few years ago at a university where a professor put a quote from Firefly on his door ("If I ever do kill you, you'll be awake, you'll be standing and you'll be armed" or something along those lines - it's the main character's response when one of the other characters asks what's stopping the MC from killing him in his sleep). The administration told him to take it down because it was "threatening" and when he complained threatened to suspend him.

He put a quote like that on his office door and was surprised when he was told to take it down? If someone in my office posted that I would definitely take it as a possible threat. That really has no place in a workplace.

Yeah, I agree there's a big difference between putting that on your office door and posting a picture of your child who just happens to be wearing a Firefly shirt. One is directly endorsing the statement, the other is not.

exactly - and there is another big difference in posting it at work and on your own private account!

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #5507 on: April 18, 2014, 09:03:59 AM »
This hit the media last week.  A state employee (not my department, but Human Services) left their work laptop in their car and it was stolen.   
All of our state laptops are locked so that if you have not logged into it using a hardwired campus connection before trying to use it away from campus, you cannot log into it at all. Which is a bit of a pain, when one of your colleagues has taken the laptop you usually use, so that you have to take the time to crawl under your desk, disconnect your cable from your tower, and plug it into the laptop... but it does give us a little security so that if your laptop is stolen it will do the thief very little good. I suppose the thief could still eject the flashdrive and put it into another computer, though. But then, I don't carry anything more confidential than student papers on mine. And God knows that NO ONE wants to read those...

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #5508 on: April 18, 2014, 10:07:47 AM »
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IIRC, there was a similar incident a few years ago at a university where a professor put a quote from Firefly on his door ("If I ever do kill you, you'll be awake, you'll be standing and you'll be armed" or something along those lines - it's the main character's response when one of the other characters asks what's stopping the MC from killing him in his sleep). The administration told him to take it down because it was "threatening" and when he complained threatened to suspend him.

It wasn't just a quote out of context; it was a poster that showed the quote. A campus police officer saw it & removed it. The professor put up a second poster that said “Warning: Fascism “Fascism can cause blunt head trauma and/or violent death.” This was also removed.

The administration at first defended the action, but after the whole thing caused a huge uproar, even involving the show's actors, the university issued a statement:
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It is important to note that the posters were not removed to censor the professor in question. Rather, they were removed out of legitimate concern for the violent messages contained in each poster and the belief that the posters ran counter to our primary mission to provide a campus that is welcoming, safe and secure.

In retrospect, however, it is clear that the removal of the posters – although done with the best intent – did have the effect of casting doubt on [our university's] dedication to the principles embodied in the First Amendment, especially the ability to express oneself freely. As many people have pointed out in the days since this issue surfaced, a public university must take the utmost care to protect this right.

Therefore, [the university] has reconsidered its decision to remove the two posters from outside the professor’s office, meaning he can display them if he so chooses.

Read more here

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #5509 on: April 18, 2014, 11:42:14 AM »
http://gawker.com/professor-suspended-over-threatening-game-of-thrones-1564357810

Professor posts a picture of his daughter wearing a shirt with a Game of Thrones quote - "I'll take what is mine with fire and blood".

The administration suspended him. They are claiming that he could be threatening to shoot up the school. It had nothing to do with the fact the professor had filed a grievance about being denied a sabbatical.  The faculty had registered a no confidence vote against the University President.


It sounds like the administration might be committing PD.

I don't think there's any might about it there.  GoT is a popular fandom and it could just be that he's happy that he can share a fandom with his daughter.

IIRC, there was a similar incident a few years ago at a university where a professor put a quote from Firefly on his door ("If I ever do kill you, you'll be awake, you'll be standing and you'll be armed" or something along those lines - it's the main character's response when one of the other characters asks what's stopping the MC from killing him in his sleep). The administration told him to take it down because it was "threatening" and when he complained threatened to suspend him.

He put a quote like that on his office door and was surprised when he was told to take it down? If someone in my office posted that I would definitely take it as a possible threat. That really has no place in a workplace.

Yeah, I agree there's a big difference between putting that on your office door and posting a picture of your child who just happens to be wearing a Firefly shirt. One is directly endorsing the statement, the other is not.

exactly - and there is another big difference in posting it at work and on your own private account!

I do agree with posting at work vs posting on a personal FB account, but I don't agree with just taking down the poster without notifying the owner of said poster.  TY nutraxfornerves for posting the link to the article explaining about the Firefly poster incident.  The second poster was provoking and idiotic though, since it showed a cop beating someone and it was a campus police officer that took down the Firefly one. 



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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #5510 on: April 18, 2014, 02:08:26 PM »
Well, I don't know the details - I wish I did - but basically, my dad is going back to work as a contractor because the guy replacing him had some kind of mental breakdown.  ??? I said to him, so your job drives people crazy? He said it can be a bit stressful during the busy season...  ;D

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #5511 on: April 18, 2014, 04:49:15 PM »
Heh. I should have guessed the one was at a UW school.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #5512 on: April 18, 2014, 10:17:58 PM »
This hit the media last week.  A state employee (not my department, but Human Services) left their work laptop in their car and it was stolen.   
All of our state laptops are locked so that if you have not logged into it using a hardwired campus connection before trying to use it away from campus, you cannot log into it at all. Which is a bit of a pain, when one of your colleagues has taken the laptop you usually use, so that you have to take the time to crawl under your desk, disconnect your cable from your tower, and plug it into the laptop... but it does give us a little security so that if your laptop is stolen it will do the thief very little good. I suppose the thief could still eject the flashdrive and put it into another computer, though. But then, I don't carry anything more confidential than student papers on mine. And God knows that NO ONE wants to read those...

I absolutely shouldn't admit this, but...
One of the first events I coordinated at my current job involved a group of very bright high schoolers from a variety of backgrounds (read that as...at least 50% were from troubled backgrounds, and of those, a good 25% of the troubled ones were in 'alternate' school programs because of problems, many having arrest/gang histories).  The kids were great but something (I have no idea what) came up and I had to have a room to warehouse these kids for 20 minutes while we dealt with the crisis.

I herded them into a room that is similar to a library space--big room, desks, chairs, about 5 computers.  I left a few adults (not as many as I would have liked, but adults) in there with them, they weren't unattended. After the 20 minutes, they headed on their way--no harm no foul

The following week, I got complaints that the computers in the room didn't work. 
The little scamps had, without attracting any attention, cracked the cases, pulled out the component parts that had resale value, and sealed them back up again (at least mostly).

No PD because I could never prove who did it (couldn't even prove it was that group of kids, although we all knew it was likely).  To bad we didn't know who they were, my IT guy said that he was impressed as heck with how much they could do in 20 minutes ;D

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #5513 on: April 19, 2014, 02:42:31 AM »
This hit the media last week.  A state employee (not my department, but Human Services) left their work laptop in their car and it was stolen.   
All of our state laptops are locked so that if you have not logged into it using a hardwired campus connection before trying to use it away from campus, you cannot log into it at all. Which is a bit of a pain, when one of your colleagues has taken the laptop you usually use, so that you have to take the time to crawl under your desk, disconnect your cable from your tower, and plug it into the laptop... but it does give us a little security so that if your laptop is stolen it will do the thief very little good. I suppose the thief could still eject the flashdrive and put it into another computer, though. But then, I don't carry anything more confidential than student papers on mine. And God knows that NO ONE wants to read those...

I absolutely shouldn't admit this, but...
One of the first events I coordinated at my current job involved a group of very bright high schoolers from a variety of backgrounds (read that as...at least 50% were from troubled backgrounds, and of those, a good 25% of the troubled ones were in 'alternate' school programs because of problems, many having arrest/gang histories).  The kids were great but something (I have no idea what) came up and I had to have a room to warehouse these kids for 20 minutes while we dealt with the crisis.

I herded them into a room that is similar to a library space--big room, desks, chairs, about 5 computers.  I left a few adults (not as many as I would have liked, but adults) in there with them, they weren't unattended. After the 20 minutes, they headed on their way--no harm no foul

The following week, I got complaints that the computers in the room didn't work. 
The little scamps had, without attracting any attention, cracked the cases, pulled out the component parts that had resale value, and sealed them back up again (at least mostly).

No PD because I could never prove who did it (couldn't even prove it was that group of kids, although we all knew it was likely).  To bad we didn't know who they were, my IT guy said that he was impressed as heck with how much they could do in 20 minutes ;D

And that is why the computers at the school and university I attended had great big padlocks going through the corner, so that they sealed the sides of the case together. Too bad it leaves such an ugly looking hole.


With Easter this week, my work will be running on skeleton staff. Several of the staff who didn't get the week off are newbies, and so their manager asked another manager to keep and eye on them while he wasn't there in case they had trouble.
Said second manager then tried to convince the newbies that they were going to be working on his pet project that week, instead of the work their own manager had allocated. He wasn't happy when the newbies went to their own manager to confirm this. A third manager will be helping them out if needed, instead.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #5514 on: April 21, 2014, 08:42:51 AM »
Our staff member that no called, no showed for three weeks then has been on extended leave was given an ultimatum. Either the staff member would come back today and be in their office at the appointed time or they would resign.

They resigned.

This particular staff member has not worked one day since August 20th. 8 months, and it has been unpaid leave. Now we can hire a replacement.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #5515 on: April 21, 2014, 10:56:00 AM »
Our staff member that no called, no showed for three weeks then has been on extended leave was given an ultimatum. Either the staff member would come back today and be in their office at the appointed time or they would resign.

They resigned.

This particular staff member has not worked one day since August 20th. 8 months, and it has been unpaid leave. Now we can hire a replacement.

Wha??? Wow...

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #5516 on: April 21, 2014, 11:01:28 AM »
Bureaucracy makes it very difficult to actually force people out of a job.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #5517 on: April 21, 2014, 12:13:38 PM »
Actually, just posting for the updates. I love this thread.
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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #5518 on: April 21, 2014, 03:44:04 PM »
My brother, Ted, turned this one in for his coworker.  His coworker, Ashley, applied and lobbied for the chance to attend an extended professional development training (think several weeks at the company's national headquarters in a big city, several hundred miles from her home.) And when she arrived, immediately started complaining about the training program, how she didn't think she was getting anything out of it, she was homesick, etc.  So as part of their training, the trainees are expected to help run a weekend event for the company. Ashley just didn't show up.  The program coordinators were very concerned and called her cell multiple times to make sure she was OK, but she never picked up.

On Monday, Ashley came into training and her supervisors asked 1) why she didn't attend the mandatory weekend event and 2) why she didn't pick up her phone when they called.  Her response? I didn't think it was reasonable for you to mandate a weekend event, so I went home for the weekend to visit my family.  And I didn't pick up my phone because it was the weekend and you don't have the right to my time on the weekend.  She then told them that her family had encouraged here to quite the training program, which she was doing immediately.  She only came back to pick up all of her stuff.

Ted doubts very much that Ashley will have any opportunity for advancement or extra training after this.

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Re: Professional Darwinism: Update to OP on p.74
« Reply #5519 on: April 21, 2014, 05:09:13 PM »
^ ^ ^ Why would she still have a job???