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Re: But you HATE children!
« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2006, 06:43:27 PM »

What's wrong with this picture?

I wonder if some of the people who protest the loudest about the "evil childhating childfree people," actually regret becoming parents themselves but are not honest enough to admit that parenting did not meet their expections.  Perhaps they are jealous of those who decide not to become parents because they think those people are free from obligations.



That, or some people get a thrill out of something "taboo" like not liking children.

I don't enjoy being around small children AT ALL, but I do have friends and family members who have children, and I limit my time with them and act like an adult about it.  I don't go announcing that I'm making some sacrifice or something, I just weigh how much I care about these people against my desire not to be around their kids and act accordingly.  After all, I am the adult in the situation, and behaving like a bratty child would be pretty hypocritical, no?

Yet I don't make a secret of it when it comes up.   There's one neighborhood girl whose favorite game is "scream" and every time I'm outside I have to listen to this game.  This isn't screaming in the context of being "caught" in a game or anything.  She just screams.  I've mentioned to an older (empty nest) neighbor how this drives me insane, and joke that I'm going to start calling 911 and reporting "a little girl is being MURDERED, come quick!" every time until her parents get sick of it.  My neighbor giggled like that was the funniest thing ever and will now make the same joke and complain about screeching kids.

Then what does she do?  She mentions to my landlady, when a house near ours is up for rent, "Oh, I hope they don't have children.  Alice HATES children!"  It's like I gave her "permission" to voice something that she always thought of as taboo.  And used me to do it.

My landlady, who is a perfectly nice woman, has 6 or so of them.  I was not pleased that neighbor chose to tell her that.  I've met one of landlady's kids, because she has good sense and doesn't drag the younguns around on business, but her 12 year old has actually done little jobs around here and is a nice, interesting kid.  I hope she doesn't think I hate him.

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Re: But you HATE children!
« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2006, 08:36:40 AM »
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"I LOVE children, as long as there someone else's."

That's pretty much exactly what my child-free SIL says. That, and she afraid whe wouldn't like them when they grow up.

I like kids and want some of my own. But I don't think they're all sweet, all innocent, all wonderful. Many are brats, some have no potential and some have tons. Some are fun and some are tolerable and usually I'm curious to  see how they'll turn out. For the most part I regard kids as raw, untamed humans. Eventually they'll grow up to be people.

This opinion of kids lead some people to believe that I don't like them. Not true. I think I'm just a bit more realistic about them.

Why? I have memories going back to about the age of 2. I remember my childhood very well. Many people thought I was this sweet little girl who wouldn't dream of being bad. Oh, they were so very wrong.

At 4 I teamed up with my brother to con the neighbors into buying Halloween candy (brother paid me in candy ... I made him pay me or I'd turn him in to Mom). The trick was, he'd ring the doorbell, ask if they wanted to buy and if they said "no" I'd start to cry until they said, "yes."

At 6 I won my first poker game. My brother and cousins played for leftover Halloween candy. There were 3 of them and my brother. Looking to increase the odd of him winning he began teaching me when I was 5. The con was I'd whine and be the little sister asking to play saying I'd "learn real fast." I'd keep whining, and just before the cousins would get the adults involved brother would relent, "reluctently." I'd keep the newbie act up until the end of the game. My winning hand was a royal flush. The cousins were ticked and ran straight to their mom. That was when my mom learned that not only was I a shark at 5-card draw, but I was pretty darn good at black jack too. (I still had trouble shuffling because my hands were too darn small.)

Ages 7 to 15 I was my brother's bank. I was a saver, he was not. So, when he'd want something he'd borrow the money from me. I'd take his CD's and whatever else I wanted as collateral, charged 10% in late fees for everyday he was late (and he was often a month or more late every single time.) I actually didn't have to get a job (even though I did anyway) until I was in college. Oh, and the first time he did complain to mom. When she approached me I showed her our signed agreement (written in crayon) signed by my brother.

At 7 brother and I (see a pattern here?) were very displeased with our baby sitter. She broke a major rule by having her boyfriend come over after my parents left. We never thought our parents would listen to us if we told on her (we were wrong about this), so we decided to drive her away instead. So, brother got his new tape recorder and made a recording of me screaming my lungs out. You know, one of those crazy shrill little-girl screams... And at a predetermined time brother played the recording full blast in the basement while I gave the real thing upstairs. Babysitter goes running in several different directions encoutering all the tape and bristle block booby traps we had set up earlier.

Fortunately I had very patient parents and I did grow out of most of my criminal tendencies...

All children sweet and innocent? No way.

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Re: But you HATE children!
« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2006, 04:38:29 PM »
I'm throwing my vote in for all 3.  Before we adopted, I was tagged as one of those "child-haters" yet my husband was not.  I was even told (by a former co-worker) we didn't have children because I was too selfish to love one.   That woman cried when I very quietly replied, "No, we don't have children because our only child was stillborn."   Which was true.  I hope I opened her eyes just a bit for the sake of other people in my shoes. I doubt it.
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Re: But you HATE children!
« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2006, 03:03:03 PM »
I'm throwing my vote in for all 3.  Before we adopted, I was tagged as one of those "child-haters" yet my husband was not.  I was even told (by a former co-worker) we didn't have children because I was too selfish to love one.   That woman cried when I very quietly replied, "No, we don't have children because our only child was stillborn."   Which was true.  I hope I opened her eyes just a bit for the sake of other people in my shoes. I doubt it.


Wow, what a horrible and stupid thing for your co-worker to say to you.  She had no idea why you did not have children and decided to leap to the most negative conclusion possible.  I am also sorry for the loss of your child.



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Re: But you HATE children!
« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2006, 03:40:20 PM »
much sympathy to your friend - i can't imagine what she must be going through right now

you co-worker is just insane - and even if the intent wasn't hurtful, has worse foot in mouth disease than me (which i thought was impossible)

I will NEVER understand why people who for whatever reason (personal or physical) do not have children are treated so badly.  it makes no sense to me AT ALL.  hugs to you
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Re: But you HATE children!
« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2006, 08:18:22 PM »
I will NEVER understand why people who for whatever reason (personal or physical) do not have children are treated so badly.  it makes no sense to me AT ALL.

Let me offer the following theories:

  • Some people are not comfortable with other people making completely different life choices from theirs.  This may or may not be influenced by religion.
    For some of those people it's about "misery loves company":  They think that childfree people are getting off easy in life and they resent it.
    For ones with a political agenda it's about "The wrong people are having children and you are one of the right people who should."
    If these comments are coming from the CF's parents, there is obviously a selfish motive involved that has nothing to do with the CF's wishes.
It blows my mind how these people are somehow never capable of understanding that other people's reproductive choices are none of their business.

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Re: But you HATE children!
« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2006, 03:20:11 PM »
I am childfree as well, but I will tell you this -- there are childfree people who really do detest/hate children, whether they are acting sweet or ill-behaved. Of course, I don't for one minute believe the OP is one of them; I'm just stating they are out there as an extreme among the group of people who decide to not have children.

That said, I also believe that some parents are highly sensitive to anyone who does not fully embrace parenthood. Even the slightest comment that hints at the rejection of their choice to be parents is seen as very anti-child and you are then labeled a child hater. Perhaps this person at your work fits that description?
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Re: But you HATE children!
« Reply #37 on: December 11, 2006, 11:04:40 AM »
I'm throwing my vote in for all 3.  Before we adopted, I was tagged as one of those "child-haters" yet my husband was not.  I was even told (by a former co-worker) we didn't have children because I was too selfish to love one.   That woman cried when I very quietly replied, "No, we don't have children because our only child was stillborn."   Which was true.  I hope I opened her eyes just a bit for the sake of other people in my shoes. I doubt it.


Auuuuuughhhhh...that's awful.  I'm so sorry for your loss and I hope you did open her eyes.

People should not make judgements like that because they have NO idea what the circumstances are.  Perhaps someone is childfree by choice as I am (but if I had met the right person at the right time, I might not be, and I don't like discussing it with every Nosy Mary on the block.  Instead, I met the wrong person at the right time and wasted time.  Now I don't want to, because I'm past 40 and don't want to mess with it.).  But they just don't know if someone lost a child, or can't biologically have children, or whatever. 
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Re: But you HATE children!
« Reply #38 on: December 28, 2006, 12:24:23 PM »

"But I thought you hated children?"


May I ask how you responded to that?

Why is it that people think if someone doesn't want children of their own, they must hate children?

I didn't. I was speechless.

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Re: But you HATE children!
« Reply #39 on: December 28, 2006, 01:24:18 PM »

"But I thought you hated children?"


May I ask how you responded to that?

Why is it that people think if someone doesn't want children of their own, they must hate children?

I didn't. I was speechless.

Too bad

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Re: But you HATE children!
« Reply #40 on: December 28, 2006, 02:14:02 PM »
due to my temper I didn't dare say anything.

No, that was the perfect response, and I hope it garnered the perfect response in your co-worker, which was, "Boy, was that a STUPID thing to say!"

I don't want to own a dog, but I don't feel a surge of glee when a friend's dog dies. I also don't want to own a motorcycle, but if a friend's motorcycle finally gets beyond the point of repair, I don't laugh. I feel *empathy,* which apparently your co-worker never felt before.

I'm so sorry for your friend's sister. **hugs** It's a very difficult road they're now on.


Exactly - there are many people who straight up do not even LIKE dogs and still can empathize with their friend.

does not want kids != doesn't LIKE kids.

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Does not LIKE kids != HATES kids.

HATES kids != feels pleasure in their dth and cannot empathize.

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Re: But you HATE children!
« Reply #41 on: December 28, 2006, 04:42:16 PM »
Believe me, I know how you feel. I have to be careful who I tell that I don't want children... a popular reply is "Oh, men never want children till they get married, just wait till you are older [I'm almost 30]." Grrrrrr......

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Re: But you HATE children!
« Reply #42 on: December 28, 2006, 06:51:20 PM »
Another ChildFree lady weighing in.

I would feel badly to hear that someone miscarried or the baby was stillborn, if the person really was looking forward to the birth. I'm not unfeeling about things like that.

I wouldn't say I *hate* kids but I just never wanted my own and really can't relate to most of them. I do have friends with kids but they are of the well-behaved stripe-in other words, the parents are the parents. The kids do not and never will run the home. Those are the kind of kids I appreciate.

I think your co-IRK-er was a bit out of line. Just because you don't want kids, doesn't make you hateful towards them or anything to do with them.

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Re: But you HATE children!
« Reply #43 on: December 28, 2006, 10:04:31 PM »
Another ChildFree lady weighing in.

I would feel badly to hear that someone miscarried or the baby was stillborn, if the person really was looking forward to the birth. I'm not unfeeling about things like that.

I wouldn't say I *hate* kids but I just never wanted my own and really can't relate to most of them. I do have friends with kids but they are of the well-behaved stripe-in other words, the parents are the parents. The kids do not and never will run the home. Those are the kind of kids I appreciate.

I think your co-IRK-er was a bit out of line. Just because you don't want kids, doesn't make you hateful towards them or anything to do with them.


And there is that ever annoying thing, that if you are really really GOOD with kids, epoeple cannot get how you ar enot interested in having one.

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Re: But you HATE children!
« Reply #44 on: December 29, 2006, 05:33:32 AM »
I still don't understand what is so terrible about not liking/hating children. I have a son, and I love him very much, but I don't generally like other people's kids unless they are very well behaved. I mean, I hate dogs. Does that make me evil? There's nothing wrong with not liking something, there is something wrong with those who make you feel like crap because of it.
Now the OP has no problem with kids, and that's fine. But I do not have a problem with those who don't like kids period, even if that extends to my kid. Their loss...and their right to their opinion....
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