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Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2010, 01:58:44 PM »
In my opinion, the other bride could have just said 'No comment". Even if the reporter did sought her out, she didn't need to talk to them. I honestly think after reading the story, she just wants a little bit of fame.

And that little but of fame may get her just enough attention to make sure that even if the roads are closed her guests will still be allowed to use them. Or at least enough notice to print new maps, and maybe the Clinton's can cover an extra hour or two for them at her venue.

I admit her whinging about 2 years to pay for the wedding was fingernails on chalkboard, but I don't blame her at all for using this to try and get notice to Clinton, so she can send the orders down to help her out.

60 seconds from a celeb or a politican is worth hours on the phone by anyone else.

It's not terribly likely that there's anything that the Clintons can do about this, though.  The decisions regarding road closures and safety precautions are made by the Secret Service in conjunction with local police.

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Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2010, 02:06:25 PM »
I think a lot of you are takeing this too seriously.  It is a fluff piece about a strange coincidence.

I think the bride has a pretty good attitude about it. .  .in many ways i respect her for trying to do what she can ahead of time rather than sticking her head in the sand.

And i can not fault her for looking for some attention as there could be some help to be had.  

It seems some compromise could be arranged somehow, i don't think it would be unreasonable for the cops to say "if you give us the make/model and plates of the cars are are at this street at this time we will let you through to x"  It would not be revealing anything, would not be that much work, or even likely a safety issue.  

It does bring up a valid point, while i can understand safety and the desire for secrecy, some consideration for the general populace could still be show. In situations like this they could at least say some roads that will be open, or an earliest/latest possible closure, or something.  Saying "the person is guaranteed not to be at this place at this time" really does not reveal anything or endanger them.

Had something kinda similar happy last year with some friends.  My home town is about half way between where they live and i live so we were meeting up there for fun. This is a small middle of no where nothing of interest dullsville down.  The interstate they were on is only about say 2-3 miles from the airport (which is in the middle of no where ends of town with not really many ways to get away from).  They were staying at a hotel on that short stretch of road between the airport and interstate.

The day before they were to come to town. . . . comes out Obama is flying in for who knows what reason.  At around the same time they would be arriving. . . while no one knew what roads would be open when, but it was pretty clear that that part of road was sure as heck going to be a bloody nightmare because logistically he pretty much *had* to drive on it.  

So i called them up as they are driving in to give them a heads up that they likely needed to be check in by x time and would likely be trapped.  They could not stop laughing at the sillyness of it. You just don't expect something like that to happen in a place like that.  But they did get to take pics and see Air Force One land. . .  it is a four gate airport. .  you can see it from their hotel.  








 

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Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2010, 02:08:00 PM »
In my opinion, the other bride could have just said 'No comment". Even if the reporter did sought her out, she didn't need to talk to them. I honestly think after reading the story, she just wants a little bit of fame.

And that little but of fame may get her just enough attention to make sure that even if the roads are closed her guests will still be allowed to use them. Or at least enough notice to print new maps, and maybe the Clinton's can cover an extra hour or two for them at her venue.

I admit her whinging about 2 years to pay for the wedding was fingernails on chalkboard, but I don't blame her at all for using this to try and get notice to Clinton, so she can send the orders down to help her out.

60 seconds from a celeb or a politican is worth hours on the phone by anyone else.

It's not terribly likely that there's anything that the Clintons can do about this, though.  The decisions regarding road closures and safety precautions are made by the Secret Service in conjunction with local police.

Even a card of congrats from them would still be neat for them to get and would sooth things. 

And I suspect if if the Clintons decide they want to tell this woman things like where and when it likely is their choice.


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Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2010, 05:17:47 PM »
Urgh... this one bugged me the first time I read it and it bugs me more every time since.  Yes, it may be some hyping by the reporter, but there are enough direct quotes that get to me.

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“She’s paying for the whole thing. She’s a single mom who has worked the last two years tirelessly as a construction and estate manager to pay for it."

I really dislike people who whine, especially publicly, about the consequences of financial choice that they've made.  As we well know, it's possible to have a wedding that doesn't take two years to save for -- and the HC are just as married at the end as they would be otherwise.  Good for her mom to work and save for something that is important to the family, but don't expect any sympathy over it.

Her expectations are, IMO, a bit out of whack:
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“But Chelsea Clinton has taken what was supposed to be a special day for me turned it into hell.”

Sorry, but "hell" doesn't describe a situation where people might be inconvenienced.  It just doesn't.  It appears that the worst outcome might be a longer delay between the ceremony and the reception.  That's not hell (and, despite the headline-writer's hyperbole, it's certainly not "ruined.")  It's only "hell" or "ruined" if her expectations included perfection.

Life lesson: It's a special day only for you, sweets; not for Ms. Clinton and not for the rest of us.  The only thing that can really turn this into "hell" or "ruin" it is your attitude.

I suspect that there's some sour grapes happening over Ms. Clinton's privilege:

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So at this point, the thought of Chelsea with her 400 guests and coterie of wedding planners sets off the other bride-to-be. “We’re in a recession, we don’t have the highest paying jobs (her fiancé is a book-conservationist). I’m happy for Chelsea but she’s got planners and I’ve got my mom.”

Life lesson: Unless you're one of about a dozen people in the world, there's always going to be someone who can afford more guests, or pay a wedding planner when you have to do it yourself.

I'm not always fond of "think of those worse off than you" arguments, but really.  There are posters right here on eHell who would be overjoyed to have a mother alive or sane enough to help plan a wedding.  The bride needs to quit caring about other people's money and pay attention to what she has.
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Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
« Reply #34 on: July 23, 2010, 10:45:20 AM »
Art, I agree that some of the bride's quotes certainly don't sound very nice. But we don't know what questions the reporter asked, or how the bride's statements fit in with the context of the entire interview. Reporters can ask leading questions. The general public doesn't always know that they can refuse to answer a question, either.

Take a look at the current brew-ha-ha in the Agricultural Department in the US to see an example of media manipulation of the facts.

This bride may in fact be a bridezilla. But many of her comments seem completely reasonable to me, so I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt in this case that she may have been led on by a reporter who had an agenda.

What struck me from the article was the impression that if the bride could just get some definite information, she'd be happy, because she could start making alternative plans. It wasn't so much that Chelsea Clinton was getting married nearby, as that the possibility of said marriage was creating the potential need for plan changes, but without any information, the bride can't do anything. The cost of the two weddings, the planner vs. non-planner, seemed to me to be afterthoughts. And those comments could have very easily been the result of a leading question.
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Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2010, 02:32:31 PM »
I don't think the bride sounds like a bridezilla. The reporter sought her out, and honestly, if I (or someone I know) was paying money for my wedding, I would be a bit disappointed if there were delays, and I would be slightly upset if some of my loved ones couldn't attend the reception.

And yes, I think it's completely reasonable to stress if there is a possibility that you have to figure out alternative routes from the wedding site to the reception site at the last minute. Is it Chelsea Clinton's fault? Of course not, but the situation must be frustrating.

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Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2010, 01:15:18 AM »
Urgh... this one bugged me the first time I read it and it bugs me more every time since.  Yes, it may be some hyping by the reporter, but there are enough direct quotes that get to me.

First,
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“She’s paying for the whole thing. She’s a single mom who has worked the last two years tirelessly as a construction and estate manager to pay for it."

I really dislike people who whine, especially publicly, about the consequences of financial choice that they've made.  As we well know, it's possible to have a wedding that doesn't take two years to save for -- and the HC are just as married at the end as they would be otherwise.  Good for her mom to work and save for something that is important to the family, but don't expect any sympathy over it.

Her expectations are, IMO, a bit out of whack:
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“But Chelsea Clinton has taken what was supposed to be a special day for me turned it into hell.”

Sorry, but "hell" doesn't describe a situation where people might be inconvenienced.  It just doesn't.  It appears that the worst outcome might be a longer delay between the ceremony and the reception.  That's not hell (and, despite the headline-writer's hyperbole, it's certainly not "ruined.")  It's only "hell" or "ruined" if her expectations included perfection.

Life lesson: It's a special day only for you, sweets; not for Ms. Clinton and not for the rest of us.  The only thing that can really turn this into "hell" or "ruin" it is your attitude.

I suspect that there's some sour grapes happening over Ms. Clinton's privilege:

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So at this point, the thought of Chelsea with her 400 guests and coterie of wedding planners sets off the other bride-to-be. “We’re in a recession, we don’t have the highest paying jobs (her fiancé is a book-conservationist). I’m happy for Chelsea but she’s got planners and I’ve got my mom.”

Life lesson: Unless you're one of about a dozen people in the world, there's always going to be someone who can afford more guests, or pay a wedding planner when you have to do it yourself.

I'm not always fond of "think of those worse off than you" arguments, but really.  There are posters right here on eHell who would be overjoyed to have a mother alive or sane enough to help plan a wedding.  The bride needs to quit caring about other people's money and pay attention to what she has.


Exactly my reaction. Sure, there could have been leading questions - but no one forced her to talk to the press, or to winge about not having a wedding as nice as Chelsea's.

When people say something, whether in response to a leading question, or because of drink, or whatever other reason makes them forget their manners, the reason they said it is not an excuse for the words. They still expressed those thoughts.

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Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2010, 10:39:08 AM »
I had to re-read a couple of times.. I thought the problem was going to be that Chelsea Clinton had gazumped the venue or the caterers or something!  I can understand the bride being annoyed, but surely there's ways and means round it?  I think the police should be a bit more cooperative, although they may not have all the information either!

Okay I admit I'm not familiar with the venues and the routes from one to another, but surely there can't be only one way to get from one place to another?   I think I'd be mildly annoyed, especially if directions to the venue had been included with the invitations for out of town guests.   But I wouldn't fault Chelsea for it, as there's no way she could have known.   You jump on Google maps or Mapquest and see if there are alternate routes that take about the same amount of time that the original one did, and hand out new printed directions to the guests at the ceremony, and for people who are only attending the reception you mail it to them.   

It looks like a fairly rural area. If one or more of the major roads gets closed, there may not be an easy alternative route. I've lived in rural areas where if they have to close down the single road connecting two towns, the detour can take an hour or more, instead of the 10 to 15 minutes it would take normally. If that's the case for this bride, a detour could affect the start time of the reception significantly. And guests could get lost driving a longer, unfamiliar route.

Yep. My mom lives in a rural area. One night, they closed one end of the road my mother lives on due to some crazy neighbor building pipe bombs in his garage. I had borrowed her car and was trying to get it back to her. It took me an hour to get to her house because the detour wasn't really all that simple...I had to circle around the entire valley to get to the other end of her road.

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Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
« Reply #38 on: July 29, 2010, 04:43:02 PM »
When Prince Charles had to unexpectedly move his wedding to a public registry office, his security contacted every other HC with a wedding at that office, got a guest list, arranged to meet all guests outside the security perimeter and escorted them in and out.

Also, his wedding was fitted in earlier than the first scheduled wedding so that no one was inconvenienced.

There ended up being a number of very happy couples giving interviews about how great the police had been and how it made their weddings really special to have all the fuss around the venue.

I know the day is now past, but I would have thought something like this could be done.  Of course, maybe it was and it wasn't announced in advance for security reasons.

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Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
« Reply #39 on: July 29, 2010, 04:55:44 PM »
When Prince Charles had to unexpectedly move his wedding to a public registry office, his security contacted every other HC with a wedding at that office, got a guest list, arranged to meet all guests outside the security perimeter and escorted them in and out.

Also, his wedding was fitted in earlier than the first scheduled wedding so that no one was inconvenienced.

There ended up being a number of very happy couples giving interviews about how great the police had been and how it made their weddings really special to have all the fuss around the venue.

I know the day is now past, but I would have thought something like this could be done.  Of course, maybe it was and it wasn't announced in advance for security reasons.

Well, that's a slightly different situation in that it was the same venue in Prince Charles' case.

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Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
« Reply #40 on: July 29, 2010, 07:20:24 PM »
My friend just posted a picture of him and Chelsea hanging out in Rome with her ex-boyfriend. He's really bummed she found the one and she's lost to him forever. He's g*y, but still had a crush. I thought it was cute.

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Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
« Reply #41 on: July 29, 2010, 10:35:57 PM »
I had to re-read a couple of times.. I thought the problem was going to be that Chelsea Clinton had gazumped the venue or the caterers or something!  I can understand the bride being annoyed, but surely there's ways and means round it?  I think the police should be a bit more cooperative, although they may not have all the information either!

Okay I admit I'm not familiar with the venues and the routes from one to another, but surely there can't be only one way to get from one place to another?   I think I'd be mildly annoyed, especially if directions to the venue had been included with the invitations for out of town guests.   But I wouldn't fault Chelsea for it, as there's no way she could have known.   You jump on Google maps or Mapquest and see if there are alternate routes that take about the same amount of time that the original one did, and hand out new printed directions to the guests at the ceremony, and for people who are only attending the reception you mail it to them.   

This is a relatively rural area. It's not like a city, w/ a big grid of roads. So yes, there may well be only one real way to get from one place to another--except going way out in a huge circle, perhaps.

And the cops in Rhinebeck may well have this on their radar screen--I sure hope so. They're normally very sensible and kind up there.

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Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
« Reply #42 on: July 29, 2010, 10:44:09 PM »
If I were Chelsea Clinton, knowing how much I was spending for my wedding, if I knew I was doing this to another bride, I would hire four upscale motor coaches to do that drive to the church.  I'd have some gourmet snack boxes and mini-bottles of champagne packed up, one for each guest so that they could nosh and celebrate on the way to the reception.  I figure the cost of all that, including having the coaches waiting to take people back to the church where they left their cars hours later, would be under $10,000, or about 0.3% of the cost of my wedding.
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Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
« Reply #43 on: July 30, 2010, 06:47:49 AM »
While the quotes weren't the greatest, I have sympathy for the bride in the story. Yes, it was her choice to have a costlier wedding than going to the courthouse, but weddings (as several threads here can attest to) can be a stressful nightmare all on their own. That is without adding a huge wrench in the works of a high profile, security laden wedding right nearby.

These things sound like any bride might complain to her close friends or family about. A skilled reporter can make the bride feel like she is talking to a close friend and get quotes out of her that she might not even realize she is saying for print. Especially if they catch her in an emotional or stressful moment. It it is a trap that many celebrities and politicians more media savvy than she is have fallen into.

Her choice of the word "hell" is obviously hyperbole. Maybe no one else here does, but I have used the word hell to describe a circumstance that is far less than pitchforks, flames and hoofed creatures. A long day of work could be the "day from hell." A crowded supermarket could be "It was hell getting out of there." No, it is not truly hell. It's a figure of speech.

I can easily see me describing suddenly having my wedding plans thrown into disarray by a high profile security wedding, where timing has been scheduled, routes imagined, etc., as imagined hell.

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Re: Chelsea Clinton Ruining Another Woman's Wedding?
« Reply #44 on: July 31, 2010, 09:15:26 AM »
I had to re-read a couple of times.. I thought the problem was going to be that Chelsea Clinton had gazumped the venue or the caterers or something!  I can understand the bride being annoyed, but surely there's ways and means round it?  I think the police should be a bit more cooperative, although they may not have all the information either!

Okay I admit I'm not familiar with the venues and the routes from one to another, but surely there can't be only one way to get from one place to another?   I think I'd be mildly annoyed, especially if directions to the venue had been included with the invitations for out of town guests.   But I wouldn't fault Chelsea for it, as there's no way she could have known.   You jump on Google maps or Mapquest and see if there are alternate routes that take about the same amount of time that the original one did, and hand out new printed directions to the guests at the ceremony, and for people who are only attending the reception you mail it to them.   

This is a relatively rural area. It's not like a city, w/ a big grid of roads. So yes, there may well be only one real way to get from one place to another--except going way out in a huge circle, perhaps.

And the cops in Rhinebeck may well have this on their radar screen--I sure hope so. They're normally very sensible and kind up there.

*chuckle* Just proof that a friend of mine is right, I am way too used to suburb/city life!  LOL!
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