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« Reply #60 on: July 28, 2010, 02:38:12 PM »

I read an article sometime about this topic, and it told the story of a little girl who was taught to call her vagina her "box," and a predator used that against her, because you put things in boxes.  It really turned my stomach.  So teaching children the wrong names for their private parts can do more than just make it harder for them to report abuse, but make it more confusing for them to resist, or to know something is wrong.

That hits me the wrong way, largely because I think of "box" as rather an adult euphemism. Like you, I think children should be taught the correct anatomical terms for their body parts. They'll learn enough euphemisms for them throughout their lives as it is.

I think so, too, and I have a hard time believing that anyone would actually teach their child that.  But even words like flower can be used against the child, with flowers being something  you share.

Box is what my cousin were all taught to call it. Some parents seem to think its a good euphemism. (The male part is a "Nickname for Richard" too.)
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« Reply #61 on: July 28, 2010, 03:03:13 PM »

I know I don't worry about synonyms at all or even adult euphamisms. I do go a little insane in my head when an adult woman giggles and points and tells me her "cookie" is sore, or when a student says that a patient's "little winkie" was all red, or even when a friend shares that her "nu-nu" is having problems. I find it immature, (in the case of professional staff) unprofessional, and rather ridiculous, and I do think it's rude to force someone else to say "Are you telling me your v@gina hurts or something else?"

If you are coming for medical help I think it's rude to make the staff play 20 questions. If you are medical, I think it's rude to the patient to refer to them in three-year-old vocabulary. If you are with friends- I don't know if it's rude or not, but I do think it's silly unless you are just joking and teasing and not actually trying to tell them something real.
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« Reply #62 on: July 28, 2010, 03:53:03 PM »

A toilet training child may hear, "You're in!" instead of urine. 
(once had a preschooler repeat "You!  Yes!  Hey!" for USA)
So, I say pee with little kids.  Not with adults.   Lips Sealed

I ask parents if they have special terms for toileting, and I offer that our classroom standard is "go potty." For school age kids, it is "use the restroom."
If the body "parts is parts?" conversation occurs, we use regular terms, very matter of fact, and move on. 

That "uncle touched my cookie" story is sad.   Cry

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« Reply #63 on: July 28, 2010, 05:03:00 PM »

I hate the other "p" word as well.  I think it's even more vulgar.  When some people (I'm currently thinking of someone specific) use this word it often sounds like a weapon.
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« Reply #64 on: July 28, 2010, 08:57:13 PM »

Well, there are euphemisms, and there are vulgarities, and there are even rather pretentious terms that make one sound like one teethed on a medical dictionary. It's actually rather hard, sometimes, to figure out what the "everyday" name of parts are, if traditionally they were not talked about at all.
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« Reply #65 on: July 28, 2010, 09:24:36 PM »

"Cutesy" euphemisms do my head in, whether it's in relation to a person's bits (my own euphemism), or any other settings.  Especially ones that use a completely unrelated word, like "flower", or "cookie" - as PP mentioned above, those ones seem to have the potential to do more harm than good.  

However.  Some of us are just not comfortable with using the proper medical terms, whether because of a history of abuse, or simply because it's not how we were raised.  And that's neither wrong, nor rude.  In my experience (with 101 gynecological specialists), the good medical staff know what the euphemism refers to without resorting to "20-questions."  If they eye-roll, then they have the courtesy to do it after I've left the room.

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I totally disagree about "vajay-jay" on Grey's Anatomy. That always drove me crazy! Bailey was supposed to be the strongest woman on that show and yet she was a doctor and couldn't use the proper medical term for the female genitals.

Question (because I've never seen Grey's Anatomy): was "va-jay-jay" used because the correct word is not allowed on prime-time television in an entertainment (not documentary or proper medical program) context?

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Words like "pee" or "poop" don't faze me, whether from a medical professional or otherwise.  All of the medical professionals I've dealt with tend to treat people like equals, and using well-established colloquialisms lends itself to familiarity and putting the patient at ease.  Nothing worse when you're worried about condition A to have a torrent of medical jargon hurled at you.
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« Reply #66 on: July 28, 2010, 09:25:36 PM »

I know I don't worry about synonyms at all or even adult euphamisms. I do go a little insane in my head when an adult woman giggles and points and tells me her "cookie" is sore, or when a student says that a patient's "little winkie" was all red, or even when a friend shares that her "nu-nu" is having problems. I find it immature, (in the case of professional staff) unprofessional, and rather ridiculous, and I do think it's rude to force someone else to say "Are you telling me your v@gina hurts or something else?"

If you are coming for medical help I think it's rude to make the staff play 20 questions. If you are medical, I think it's rude to the patient to refer to them in three-year-old vocabulary. If you are with friends- I don't know if it's rude or not, but I do think it's silly unless you are just joking and teasing and not actually trying to tell them something real.

I agree with this post, though I do think there is a place for some euphamisms, if you can even call them that-sometimes it really is hard to tell. I am having a hard time thinking of good examples for scrabble-related parts that won't freak out the filter, so I'll give the example of what we call a "room with a toilet".  If you're excusing yourself from a group of people to go find such a place, you don't say that's where you are going. But you don't have to say "I'm going potty" either. Words like "restroom", "ladies' room", even "bathroom" when the room does not actually contain bathing facilities, those are euphamisms, technically, but they are in such common use that they do not call attention to the fact that is what they are.

Maybe that is where the line is for me. If a euphamism, for anything, doesn't call attention to itself (unless you are joking around, on purpose) is good to use if you aren't comfortable with the actual medical word, even in a medical setting.  But words that are overly cutsey, and/or vauge, I do not think they are appropriate for use by adults. When I hear them, I tend to think one of two things, depending on tone, etc. Either someone is calling attention to themselves, asking us to notice what a delicate flower she is, she can't even get close to saying those awful words.

Or a grown adult really can't bring themselves to use any other word, even with a doctor. And I don't mean that necessarily in the sense of putting someone down. Does being in the medical setting scare the person so much that they are reverting to childhood terms, with the doctor as "parent"? Or is that person so unfortunate in terms of life experience, that even a reasonable euphamism is too much to say? Either way, I would feel sorry for that person.

As for medical professionals, I don't want any euphamisms. There has been discussion of the word "pee" and that's right on the borderline for me. I would really prefer my doctor not use that word but I wouldn't have the same emotional response as I would to more cutesy, childish terms.

And this is why. If a doctor shys away from saying a particular word, then I don't feel as comfortable discussing the problem that relates to whatever that word describes. If a doctor can't quite say the word, I get the feeling that they really aren't quite comfortable discussing whatever concepts go with it. And that's not a good feeling to have with your doctor, when you're trying to get over your own inhibitions discussing the parts or showing them to the doctor already, to get the feeling that the doctor would rather not discuss them either, or look at them.

Either that, or I get the feeling that the doctor is talking down to me, assuming I don't know what big words like "urination" mean. I don't feel like I am being treated like an adult, like a full partner in the treatment or management of whatever is wrong. It is off putting, either way.

But of course all this is just my experience, though I have seen a lot of doctors in my life.
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« Reply #67 on: July 29, 2010, 09:25:05 AM »


I'll admit I'd be taken aback (and very unimpressed) if a medical professional used the word "pee" in the course of our discussion/exam/instructions.

When we went for our pre-birth classes at the hospital where I had RoseyCheeks, the nurse was explaining the process of giving birth. She wanted to explain episiotomies, so she drew a *very* rough diagram and pointed out what she called the "pee hole."

I'm sure you can imagine our reactions (a great deal of, "Did she seriously say that?").
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« Reply #68 on: July 29, 2010, 10:44:40 AM »

I find it quite odd when an adult uses childish words for their private areas, it just sounds off to me.  I also have to take fault with the use of the term "naughty bits", I don't have any parts on my body that are naughty.  Private does not equal "naughty" to me at all.
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« Reply #69 on: July 29, 2010, 11:05:14 AM »

In a recent article, a famous physician used "poop" instead of "feces/stools/bowel movement". The article was directed at adult males. I found that very unprofessional- and one step away from a mild curse word starting with the letter S that will get customers a "watch your language" from me if said loud enough at the library.

I tend to think of "poop" as a cutesy word rather than a near-curse, and in fact my friends and I have a joke that when our dogs do their business in the yard it's called poop, but if they misbehave and do it in the house, that's *S-word*.  Grin Because we noticed we did have that pattern of word use.

As for vajayjay, I do think it was related to TV standards. What I heard was that Oprah was doing a women's health episode and was told she could only say v@gina a certain number of times in the show. So she substituted vajayjay for some of the instances. Then it kind of caught on among the general populace (because everything on Oprah tends to become very popular!).
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« Reply #70 on: July 29, 2010, 01:23:17 PM »

I have 2 stories involving the use of euphemisms:

3 months ago, during my well-woman check-up, my doctor was discussing a particular condition I have. I asked if a surgery could be performed to take care of the problem. He said 'Yes, but a female doctor would have to do it." There was a pause on his part when he noticed that I looked a little confused (I was thinking, "Why would a doctor being a woman be important to doing the surgery?)  Then he said that he meant gynecologist.

In the Summer of 1985, DSon had just been potty-trained. The family had gotten together at my parents' house to celebrate  Thanksgiving. We were sitting around the dinner table enjoying the meal. DS looked at the pickle on his plate and said to everyone, "My pickle has a p*t*r!" 
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« Reply #71 on: July 29, 2010, 04:59:32 PM »

I can see where euphemisms just fit in better with the spirit of the conversation.  We vacationed with another family a few weeks ago.  The wife and I can get a little crass when we're together.  Anyhow, she had her beach chair set a little too close to the ocean's edge, and a wave came and swamped her.  She jumped up and said, "I just got a bunch of saltwater and sand up my hoo hoo!"  It fit the moment.

Honestly, I can't really think of any instances of a social conversation where I'd use the word vagina.  It's just not a term I use with my girlfriends over lunch.  Maybe I might tell a good friend that I'm seeing the doctor for female issues, but that's about the extent of information I'd offer.  I suppose if I had a real good girlfriend who was explaining how to use the Keeper, we might say vagina.  So I can't rule it out.  But I don't think it's going to come up very often, unless I'm talking to my health care professional.  In that case, yes, I use all of the correct terms to the best of my ability.
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« Reply #72 on: July 29, 2010, 05:19:01 PM »

I find it quite odd when an adult uses childish words for their private areas, it just sounds off to me.  I also have to take fault with the use of the term "naughty bits", I don't have any parts on my body that are naughty.  Private does not equal "naughty" to me at all.

Thank you.  I hate "bits" -- "naughty bits" -- "girly bits" etc.  -- like fingernails on a chalkboard.  Could also go the rest of my life without hearing "lady parts,"  "junk" and "package."   Talk about cloying. 
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« Reply #73 on: July 29, 2010, 07:39:01 PM »

I find it quite odd when an adult uses childish words for their private areas, it just sounds off to me.  I also have to take fault with the use of the term "naughty bits", I don't have any parts on my body that are naughty.  Private does not equal "naughty" to me at all.

Thank you.  I hate "bits" -- "naughty bits" -- "girly bits" etc.  -- like fingernails on a chalkboard.  Could also go the rest of my life without hearing "lady parts,"  "junk" and "package."   Talk about cloying. 

How about "Secret place" as in "Yes Susan, your secret place is where you go to the bathroom. Its special, so you shouldn't let people see it. You should tell someone IMEDIATLY if someone tries to touch you there too. You don't have to share it with ANYONE."

My cousin's exact wording for explaining to her three year old her body. Of course her kid's name isn't Susan. i changed that for privacy. (Then came the "Does Aunt Kimmie have a Secret Place?" "Yup. Everyone does." "Why can you and daddy and Aunt Kimmie see [little sister]'s secret place?" "Because she needs it cleaned. But you are a big girl. You can clean your own." Then we all had to allow kiddo to walk over and tell us that she isn't gonna let us see her secret place.... its been a weird morning.)
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« Reply #74 on: July 29, 2010, 08:35:03 PM »

How about "Secret place" as in "Yes Susan, your secret place is where you go to the bathroom. Its special, so you shouldn't let people see it. You should tell someone IMEDIATLY if someone tries to touch you there too. You don't have to share it with ANYONE."

This is somewhat off topic, but that reminded me of this site:

http://www.laughinglibrarian.com/kidorvid.htm

The question the site asks is "Can you tell whether each of the following is a children's book or adult-entertainment DVD?"

I will not spill the beans on what "The Secret Place of the Girls" is. You'll have to go and find out for yourself.  Grin

ETA: To say something that is on topic, I will point out that I hate, detest and despise the word "vay cay" (for vacation) because it reminds me of the "va jay jay" thing.

And is anybody else thinking of Peggy Hill saying "happiness" over and over with more and more space between the sylables so she can teach a health class? Or the Happy Days line, "Mom, you can say toilet paper over the phone!" ?
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