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« Reply #4080 on: May 13, 2013, 07:14:51 AM »
cabbacgegirl28 wrote:

"I know some of my friends are talking about donating the clothes to homeless shelters, since their corporate headquarters apparently burns leftover stock so poor people can't wear their clothes."

I could only find a single source for this, coming from an article written three years ago and quoting a district manager who would not be named.  Given only one anonymous source I'm left to wonder about its veracity.  Can anyone find any A&F representative going on the record with this policy?  It doesn't make a lot of sense specifically because people could donate their castoffs so it wouldn't be tremendously effective at keeping the brand away from "poor people".

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« Reply #4081 on: May 13, 2013, 07:33:15 AM »
<snip>[quote author=dawbs link=topic=83832.msg2941963#msg2941963 date=1368446218

Heck, in a box in my office are a few hundred t-shirts printed w/ my employer's logo, from some events from previous years.
I can't donate them (having the entire homless population in my area wearing my employers logo = problematic).  I don't want to regale them all to rags.  Can't burn them.  Cant give them out to people who attend our events (here, have a t-shirt from 2001)...they're in t-shirt limbo-hell.
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Could you donate them our of your area? Might be less of an issue if a lot of people in another state are wearing your employers logo? (Of course, you need someone who is travelling a distance away and willing to haul a big box of shirts to heir local goodwill store on a arrival, but it could work...

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« Reply #4082 on: May 13, 2013, 07:36:58 AM »
<snip>[quote author=dawbs link=topic=83832.msg2941963#msg2941963 date=1368446218

Heck, in a box in my office are a few hundred t-shirts printed w/ my employer's logo, from some events from previous years.
I can't donate them (having the entire homless population in my area wearing my employers logo = problematic).  I don't want to regale them all to rags.  Can't burn them.  Cant give them out to people who attend our events (here, have a t-shirt from 2001)...they're in t-shirt limbo-hell.

Could you donate them our of your area? Might be less of an issue if a lot of people in another state are wearing your employers logo? (Of course, you need someone who is travelling a distance away and willing to haul a big box of shirts to heir local goodwill store on a arrival, but it could work...
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Cost of shipping makes it not very cost effective, pretty quickly.
And I have tried to convince my employer to let me send them someplace and been vetoed, still, for the moment.

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« Reply #4083 on: May 13, 2013, 07:41:38 AM »
<snip>[quote author=dawbs link=topic=83832.msg2941963#msg2941963 date=1368446218

Heck, in a box in my office are a few hundred t-shirts printed w/ my employer's logo, from some events from previous years.
I can't donate them (having the entire homless population in my area wearing my employers logo = problematic).  I don't want to regale them all to rags.  Can't burn them.  Cant give them out to people who attend our events (here, have a t-shirt from 2001)...they're in t-shirt limbo-hell.

Could you donate them our of your area? Might be less of an issue if a lot of people in another state are wearing your employers logo? (Of course, you need someone who is travelling a distance away and willing to haul a big box of shirts to heir local goodwill store on a arrival, but it could work...
Cost of shipping makes it not very cost effective, pretty quickly.
And I have tried to convince my employer to let me send them someplace and been vetoed, still, for the moment.
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Wouldn't having the company logo out there be good advertising, regardless who wore it?  As long as it didn't look like an employee uniform,  having droves of homeless people wearing the company logo may just make the company look generous for its donation.

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« Reply #4084 on: May 13, 2013, 07:48:14 AM »
<snip>[quote author=dawbs link=topic=83832.msg2941963#msg2941963 date=1368446218

Heck, in a box in my office are a few hundred t-shirts printed w/ my employer's logo, from some events from previous years.
I can't donate them (having the entire homless population in my area wearing my employers logo = problematic).  I don't want to regale them all to rags.  Can't burn them.  Cant give them out to people who attend our events (here, have a t-shirt from 2001)...they're in t-shirt limbo-hell.

Could you donate them our of your area? Might be less of an issue if a lot of people in another state are wearing your employers logo? (Of course, you need someone who is travelling a distance away and willing to haul a big box of shirts to heir local goodwill store on a arrival, but it could work...
Cost of shipping makes it not very cost effective, pretty quickly.
And I have tried to convince my employer to let me send them someplace and been vetoed, still, for the moment.

Wouldn't having the company logo out there be good advertising, regardless who wore it?  As long as it didn't look like an employee uniform,  having droves of homeless people wearing the company logo may just make the company look generous for its donation.
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Not really.
my employer is a nonprofit in a severely depressed area.  We already have the recognition, we are constantly fighting the stereotype that we're overrun w/ homeless people, dangerous people, etc.

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« Reply #4085 on: May 13, 2013, 07:49:12 AM »
RE:  A&F - this is SO not E-Hell approved but I have a scheme that evil Cattlekid would love to carry out some day. 

I would take my 200 lb. self into A&F and start browsing the smallest clothes, daring an employee to come up to me and tell me that I wouldn't fit in anything in their store (which did happen to me once at Chico's).  Then I would proceed to tell them that I was shopping for a cousin (I have cousins who are less than half my age and in the A&F target market) and proceed to ask for a manager and start into a calm but long tirade about how staff should not assume anything about their customers except that they are in the store to spend money and staff should be helpful, not hurtful.  My entire goal would be to have the manager and the staff member in a heap on the floor by the time I was done. 

Like I said, SO not E-Hell approved, but it would be oh so cathartic. 

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« Reply #4086 on: May 13, 2013, 07:51:34 AM »
Destroying leftover stock rather than marking it down isn't uncommon. I know that a lot of floral stores puncture & toss balloons, throw out candy & stuffed animals, etc. after a holiday rather than mark them down. The thought behind it is, if people know they can get it the day after for half off why would they pay full price in the days before? The florists I knew hated it but that's the way it is. I could see "high end" boutiques and such subscribing to the same policy.

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« Reply #4087 on: May 13, 2013, 08:02:49 AM »
When my size 0 niece was in high school her group of friends refused to wear A&F because of the exclusionary attitude of the CEO.  My niece was one of the popular kids, so that's an awful lot of "beautiful people" and "cool kids" who were disgusted by the company. He has a right to market however he likes, but if my niece's friends are any indication, his brand is losing ground in the very market he wants to attract.
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« Reply #4088 on: May 13, 2013, 09:46:42 AM »
cattlekid wrote:

"Like I said, SO not E-Hell approved, but it would be oh so cathartic."

Also not very effective.  The sort of person who is willing to enforce a "beautiful people" policy in their store is unlikely to be reduced to a heap on the floor by someone turning it around on them.  They'll either shrug it off or treat your comment with disbelief.  Elitism tends to protect its practitioners' egos from reality pretty well.

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« Reply #4089 on: May 13, 2013, 09:53:02 AM »
JenJay wrote:

"Destroying leftover stock rather than marking it down isn't uncommon."

I agree, and I've actually seen a situation where it happened when an episode of Undercover Boss addressed it.  It's just that I'd like more evidence than one unnamed source in a single article before I'd believe that the driving force behind such a policy is a desire to keep A&F products away from the poor rather than a simple financial decision.

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« Reply #4090 on: May 13, 2013, 10:02:25 AM »
The college I attended in the early 80's was not a part of the Greek system, but we had a similar organization of 'social clubs'.  One rule that every club enforced was that clothing with club names, insignia, etc was to be destroyed rather than donated if it got too ratty to wear.  Legend had it that one club member was horrified to turn on a local news broadcast showing local ladies of the evening, one wearing a Tshirt prominently featuring the club's name and its heart logo.

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« Reply #4091 on: May 13, 2013, 10:05:16 AM »
JenJay wrote:

"Destroying leftover stock rather than marking it down isn't uncommon."

I agree, and I've actually seen a situation where it happened when an episode of Undercover Boss addressed it.  It's just that I'd like more evidence than one unnamed source in a single article before I'd believe that the driving force behind such a policy is a desire to keep A&F products away from the poor rather than a simple financial decision.

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Plus anyone working on the front lines in the store has no influence over the policy at all. You can get them into tears but it won't help any.

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« Reply #4092 on: May 13, 2013, 10:07:15 AM »
The college I attended in the early 80's was not a part of the Greek system, but we had a similar organization of 'social clubs'.  One rule that every club enforced was that clothing with club names, insignia, etc was to be destroyed rather than donated if it got too ratty to wear.  Legend had it that one club member was horrified to turn on a local news broadcast showing local ladies of the evening, one wearing a Tshirt prominently featuring the club's name and its heart logo.

Lol, that does make sense. I can see that a club would prefer that its logos only show up on actual club members.
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« Reply #4093 on: May 13, 2013, 10:55:05 AM »
RE:  A&F - this is SO not E-Hell approved but I have a scheme that evil Cattlekid would love to carry out some day. 

I would take my 200 lb. self into A&F and start browsing the smallest clothes, daring an employee to come up to me and tell me that I wouldn't fit in anything in their store (which did happen to me once at Chico's).  Then I would proceed to tell them that I was shopping for a cousin (I have cousins who are less than half my age and in the A&F target market) and proceed to ask for a manager and start into a calm but long tirade about how staff should not assume anything about their customers except that they are in the store to spend money and staff should be helpful, not hurtful.  My entire goal would be to have the manager and the staff member in a heap on the floor by the time I was done. 

Like I said, SO not E-Hell approved, but it would be oh so cathartic.

The point is, they don't care. They don't want you in their store shopping for small people- the cool skinny people don't want to look at a fat person shopping! They might lose one of their target customers because s/he doesn't want to shop next to a fat person.
Their sizes are cut smaller than average, and the 'large' men's sizes are intended to accommodate bulked-up men (that is, men with big chests, shoulders and arms, but flat, trim bellies).

A few years ago, they lost a lawsuit over discriminatory practices. Apparently, their target customer base is whites-only, and they didn't want black or Asian kids working in the stores. Of course, they were afraid someone would catch them on that...so they hired black and Asian kids to work in the back room, or to work hours when the store was closed, unpacking and steaming the clothes, and cleaning. That way they could document that they didn't hire only whites...but only whites were welcome to work in the store meeting customers and handling the money.
They didn't learn anything from having to pay compensation to the black and Asian workers in a class action lawsuit. Now, they're putting down fat people because they can't possibly be cool. And having a great attitude means being unbothered by discrimination.

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« Reply #4094 on: May 13, 2013, 11:22:07 AM »
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-0511-abercrombie-ceo-20130511,0,3610146.story

If there was ever a reason not to visit Abercrombie...

I'm so happy that my relatives no longer shop from there so I don't have to wade into that dark, awful smelling, deafening din to get something or return something.

I honestly hadn't realized A&F was still, well...relevant.  I know they were huge in the late 90's (or at least they were at my high school which was predominantly upper-middle class).  Didn't shop there then because I couldn't afford it, now I'm too fat/old :)