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Rosey

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Celebrity AA
« on: September 19, 2010, 01:33:46 PM »
It's all over tmz.com that Lindsay Lohan has been attending AA meetings after admittedly failing two court-ordered drug tests.

My etiquette question is whether or not paparazzi are crossing a line when they publish information about people attending Alcoholics Anonymous.

Obviously we all know that some paparazzi (not all, but probably most) have no qualms with invading personal, private lives, but websites and magazines have a choice in publishing this information.

Opinonis, please on these questions:

1) Did the paparazzi go too far in taking the pictures?
2) Did tmz go too far in publishing them?

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Re: Celebrity AA
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2010, 01:44:56 PM »
I say "yes" to both. I find it incredibly sad that a young woman's problems with addiction are paraded around as entertainment.  >:(


I also had a little twinge when I read your title, I was afraid it was a new reality show like "Celebrity Rehab" or whatever it's called!
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Re: Celebrity AA
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2010, 02:25:06 PM »
I struggle with this. I mean, if anyone OTHER than LiLo is shown in the pictures, I have a huge problem with it. However, it's been a long time since she was famous for being an actress. She's now famous for being a party girl turned hot mess, and it's an image she's willingly undertaken while courting the media. I don't want to say she asked for it, but I kind of feel like she did, you know?
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Re: Celebrity AA
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2010, 02:36:57 PM »
my guess is that there are and have been plenty of actors, singers, sports stars, politicians, etc who have walked in and out of AA meetings and managed to have the second A respected by the media - including tmz.  Perhaps I am a bit cynical but I wonder if she (or somebody around her) invited/engineered the photos and maybe even the reporting to get attention or create buzz that she  is trying to get her poop in a group.  I believe that if she wanted to attend AA without media coverage she could probably manage it.  I'm sure other high profile people do.

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Re: Celebrity AA
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2010, 06:42:31 PM »
I struggle with this. I mean, if anyone OTHER than LiLo is shown in the pictures, I have a huge problem with it. However, it's been a long time since she was famous for being an actress. She's now famous for being a party girl turned hot mess, and it's an image she's willingly undertaken while courting the media. I don't want to say she asked for it, but I kind of feel like she did, you know?

This is pretty much my thinking, too, on this specific example. There are plenty of celebs who have big problems but do their utmost to keep them private. Lindsey Lohan is not one of those people. To be fair, though, she's not as bad as some. I'd swear some people get addicted to something just so they can get good press off of detoxing.

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Re: Celebrity AA
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2010, 08:14:02 PM »
I struggle with this. I mean, if anyone OTHER than LiLo is shown in the pictures, I have a huge problem with it. However, it's been a long time since she was famous for being an actress. She's now famous for being a party girl turned hot mess, and it's an image she's willingly undertaken while courting the media. I don't want to say she asked for it, but I kind of feel like she did, you know?

This is pretty much my thinking, too, on this specific example. There are plenty of celebs who have big problems but do their utmost to keep them private. Lindsey Lohan is not one of those people. To be fair, though, she's not as bad as some. I'd swear some people get addicted to something just so they can get good press off of detoxing.

You mean like Montana Fishburne? She openly said she did a pornographic movie because she wanted to be famous like Kim Kardashian. Now she is quite vocally off to rehab. Hmm, that is a puzzle . . .

For Lindsay Lohan, however, I just don't see where she had many choices. Her mom is all over every camera. Her mom did a reality show. Both of her parents have run to the press in regards to divorce, raising their children, and more. Lindsay Lohan became a diva and fast, which then turned into a party animal, but I can't help but wonder how much of that is the result of her parents (particularly her mother).

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Re: Celebrity AA
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2010, 12:46:34 PM »
I think if it's just her in the pics and the location isn't clear, it's just part of being famous. However, if the location is clear (she's clearly walking out of a specific building, etc.), then it could be possible for the anonymity of someone else at the meeting to be compromised.

There's a story arc on "West Wing" where Leo attends AA meetings with other top-level politicians. Once he publicly comes out about being an alcoholic, the other members of the group want him to stop coming to the meetings because it could compromise their anonymity. I think this is kind of the same thing.
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Re: Celebrity AA
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2010, 10:25:13 PM »
As I (former member of a couple of 12-step programs) understand it, the etiquette of anonymity in 12-step programs goes something like this:

People are free to share their 12-step status with friends and relatives. They are not to "out" others as being in the program.

Public figures are encouraged not to talk about their 12-step membership when talking about their recovery, lest the public at large be turned off from the program if the public figure has a public relapse. But in the interviews I've heard/read/seen, celebs in recovery tend to use terminology that is instantly recognizable to other 12-steppers -- "higher power," etc.

Given the fact that the vast majority of rehab facilities in the states embrace the 12-step approach, it's not a huge leap to assume that someone who has been to rehab/is in recovery is working a 12-step program.
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Re: Celebrity AA
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2010, 03:04:22 PM »
My etiquette question is whether or not paparazzi are crossing a line when they publish information about people attending Alcoholics Anonymous.

Lohan's alcoholism isn't really anonymous. I think the court has ordered or was about to order treatment, so that isn't particularly anonymous either.

And, like others I rather suspect she arranges leaks. It's fairly well known that Spears was doing so during her whackiest times.

So I guess it's kind of a shame there's money to be made in this nonsense, but I think that's the choice Lohan has made.

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Re: Celebrity AA
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2010, 07:34:40 PM »
I would be worried about it.  First off the anonimity of the other people attending could be breached then it is serious. I think Lohan on her own saying she attends or having just her in the photo might be OK provided that the meeting place was not shown nor any other member of AA. Lohan in my opinion is courting the media for some reason best known to herself. I hope she continues her path to recovery without the need for media spotlight for the other members of her group/s

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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2010, 07:56:36 PM »
I would be worried about it.  First off the anonimity of the other people attending could be breached then it is serious. I think Lohan on her own saying she attends or having just her in the photo might be OK provided that the meeting place was not shown nor any other member of AA. Lohan in my opinion is courting the media for some reason best known to herself. I hope she continues her path to recovery without the need for media spotlight for the other members of her group/s

12 steppers are required to keep their anonymity at all levels no matter who they are.  If LiLo comes out and publically admits to being an AA member, then next week we see her plastered in some magazine, then other people who need the help will think that AA does not work.

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Re: Celebrity AA
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2010, 07:59:08 AM »
I feel the same way about her very public trip to Betty Ford. I get it. She's trying to avoid jail. She needs help. However, if I knew someone in Betty Ford and wanted to visit them, I would not want to have to do deal with papparazzi - even if there was no chance of me being in a picture. I would not want attention in the center to have to focus on a celebrity instead of my friend. I would not want my friend's privacy to be at risk.

I get what everyone is saying about Lohan being public about her AA trips and her alcoholism, but after thinking it over, I don't think that makes her comings and goings papparazzi fodder. First, it isn't fair to the others who are trying to recover or stay recovered. Second, Lohan is in real trouble. She needs to get real help. At some point I think ethics, if not etiquette, should make the papparazzi back off before her report becomes less Drew Barrymore (recovered addict) and more DJ AM (overdose).

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Re: Celebrity AA
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2010, 11:23:38 AM »
I get what everyone is saying about Lohan being public about her AA trips and her alcoholism, but after thinking it over, I don't think that makes her comings and goings papparazzi fodder.

When Spears was have her very public meltdowns, it later came out (and I assume this is true) that she, or someone under her was calling the papparazzi. They weren't stalking her, they were responding to alerts.

I kind of assume this is probably the case with Lohan. I may be wrong of course, but I think the professional photogs do follow a thin line designed to keep them just this side of being hit with law suits they can't afford to defend.

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Re: Celebrity AA
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2010, 11:50:15 AM »
I suspect that there are many more recovering alcoholics in Hollywood than we might believe.  I also believe that when Hollywood wants to keep a secret, it can.  Sandra Bullock's son comes to mind.  If Lindsay wanted her attendance to be anonymous, I'm guessing she would be able to make it happen. 

Having spent some time in AA, I can attest to the fact that your fellow recovering alcoholics don't let you get away with much.  If she's alerting the papparazi to a meeting site, I imagine she was taken to task by her sponsor and others.