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Re: William and Kate
« Reply #30 on: March 03, 2011, 07:25:04 PM »
So, if they get married, do they get kicked out of the Bachelor Society? ;D

Ha!  :D And what is this Order of the Garter we hear so much about?

It's like a realy prestigious knight order.

The story I always heard about the name was that the King (Edward III) was dancing with a woman and her garter fell off.  So no one would make fun of her, he picked it up and tied it on his leg and made an honor out of it.  (There are a few other stories about it, but that's the one I like. :))

That's the story.  The motto of the Order is what Edward said when someone commented (negatively) on what he did: Honi soit qui mal y pense, which is French for "evil to him who evil thinks."
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« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2011, 01:19:29 AM »
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« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2011, 01:30:41 PM »
This Edward sounds like my kind of man. What a gent.
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Re: William and Kate
« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2011, 02:29:51 AM »
What's the deal with the invitations going out in the name of the Queen? Since when does the groom's mother host?

Seeing as the groom's mother is deceased, it would be extremely odd if she were to host.
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Re: William and Kate
« Reply #34 on: March 14, 2011, 05:17:28 AM »
It may be because the wedding is at Westminster Abbey, only members of the royal family (and a few others) can marry there

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« Reply #35 on: March 14, 2011, 10:29:26 AM »
What's the deal with the invitations going out in the name of the Queen? Since when does the groom's mother host?

Since she's the Queen, I guess :P

That's probably it right there.  Society weddings follow a slightly different set of rules.  In terms of precedence, there is no one higher than the Queen and if she wishes to host the wedding, well, who is going to tell her no?  Also, the afternoon reception is at Buckingham Palace, which is her home.  That makes her the host regardless.

The bride's mother is traditionally seated last.  I think for reasons of security we will probably see Her Majesty be among the first seated.
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Re: William and Kate
« Reply #36 on: March 14, 2011, 11:36:27 AM »
It may be because the wedding is at Westminster Abbey, only members of the royal family (and a few others) can marry there

I guess she kind of has to host, if the venue is one only she can use.
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Re: William and Kate
« Reply #37 on: March 14, 2011, 10:17:28 PM »
Isn't she the host because she's the Queen, AND he's the heir to the throne behind his father, AND members of the royal family, even greatly extended royal family, must ask her permission to get married? 

For example - when Caroline of Monaco married her current husband, he had to ask Queen Elizabeth if he could marry Caroline, since he is a member of the Queen's greater extended family (a German member, not sure how that worked, but I remember reading it in more than one place) and he was a Protestant and Caroline is a Catholic (or was, dunno if she converted). 
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« Reply #38 on: March 15, 2011, 04:06:36 AM »
Isn't she the host because she's the Queen, AND he's the heir to the throne behind his father, AND members of the royal family, even greatly extended royal family, must ask her permission to get married? 

For example - when Caroline of Monaco married her current husband, he had to ask Queen Elizabeth if he could marry Caroline, since he is a member of the Queen's greater extended family (a German member, not sure how that worked, but I remember reading it in more than one place) and he was a Protestant and Caroline is a Catholic (or was, dunno if she converted). 

I know that people who convert to Catolicism or marry Catholics cannot be King/Queen or England so they are automatically cut off from the throne succession list (which is pretty huge, btw, look it up on wikipedia if interested ;)

As far as having the Queen's permission to get married- I think (not sure, and I'm really curious if it is so) that everyone who is at a certain point in line for the throne has to ask Her Majesty's permission for getting married by default; and if the Queen does not give her permission, then they have to choose between their marriage of choice and being kept in the throne succession line.
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Re: William and Kate
« Reply #39 on: March 15, 2011, 09:54:06 AM »
Isn't she the host because she's the Queen, AND he's the heir to the throne behind his father, AND members of the royal family, even greatly extended royal family, must ask her permission to get married? 

For example - when Caroline of Monaco married her current husband, he had to ask Queen Elizabeth if he could marry Caroline, since he is a member of the Queen's greater extended family (a German member, not sure how that worked, but I remember reading it in more than one place) and he was a Protestant and Caroline is a Catholic (or was, dunno if she converted). 

Prince Ernst August is way down the list of sucession- or was, because his marriage to Caroline disqualified him from the line. He was something like #400, I think.
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Re: William and Kate
« Reply #40 on: April 16, 2011, 08:31:19 PM »
Actually, I think this is pretty common in  royal weddings, that people are invited to the ceremony but not to a reception, etc.

In those situations, those guests have no gift obligation.

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« Reply #41 on: April 17, 2011, 05:43:41 PM »
The only people that can be married in Westminster Abbey are members of the Royal Family, Order of the Bath members and their children, and anyone living in the Abbey's Precincts.

As for St Paul's, only members of the Order of St Michael and St George, the Order of the British Empire, holders of the British Empire Medal, and members of the Imperial Society of Knights Bachelor and their children.

My younger sister was married in St Paul's - but not the main cathedral.  The Order of the British Empire has a chapel below the main body of the cathedral.

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« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2011, 05:33:22 PM »
Anyone can host. There is no rule as to who the host must be.

Ah, well, I take my guidance from Miss Manners. From her Guide to Excruciatingly Correct Behavoir, page 609, ". . . social inviations are issued by the hosts . . . The bride's parents are usually the primary, and indeed the only, hosts of a wedding."

I guess the word "usually" could allow exceptions.
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Re: William and Kate
« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2011, 05:38:57 PM »
What's the deal with the invitations going out in the name of the Queen? Since when does the groom's mother host?

Seeing as the groom's mother is deceased, it would be extremely odd if she were to host.
LOL very good point
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Re: William and Kate
« Reply #44 on: May 05, 2011, 12:58:47 PM »
What's the deal with the invitations going out in the name of the Queen? Since when does the groom's mother host?


You forget, she's actually the groom's granny!!! A very unusual situation!