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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #6495 on: January 09, 2013, 11:59:08 AM »
hobhish wrote:

"Oh, please please do you have the source for that? Not that i doubt you; i definitely don't. Gish always says he is a better driver than most people on the road, and i always say Everyone thinks that. I would love to have actual numbers from a qualified source."

The problem is that this study is just apocryphal, as no such study was ever done so nobody can cite it.  I just tell them it comes from the Institute where they figured out (in a different study, of course) that 84.7% of Internet statistics are made up on the spot.

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« Reply #6496 on: January 09, 2013, 12:31:25 PM »
hobhish wrote:

"Oh, please please do you have the source for that? Not that i doubt you; i definitely don't. Gish always says he is a better driver than most people on the road, and i always say Everyone thinks that. I would love to have actual numbers from a qualified source."

The problem is that this study is just apocryphal, as no such study was ever done so nobody can cite it.  I just tell them it comes from the Institute where they figured out (in a different study, of course) that 84.7% of Internet statistics are made up on the spot.

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The 97% (or 93% as I've heard it) statistic seems to be apocryphal, but the phenomenon is real. The cognitive bias in which the vast majority of people tend to rate themselves as above average in any number of domains is called illusory superiority, the Dunning-Kruger Effect, or the Lake Woebegone Effect. Some studies have looked specifically at driving and found that anywhere from 60-90% of people consider themselves above average drivers, either in certain ways (e.g., speed, number of violations) or overall. Here are a few references:

Svenson, O. (1981). Are we all less risky and more skillful than our fellow drivers?. Acta Psychologica, 47(2), 143–148.

McCormick, I. A., Walkey, F. H., & Green, D. E. (1986). Comparative perceptions of driver ability— A confirmation and expansion. Accident Analysis & Prevention, 18(3), 205–208.

Delhomme, P. (1991). Comparing one's driving with others': Assessment of ability and frequency of offenses. Evidence for a superior conformity of self-bias? Accident Analysis & Prevention, 23(6), 493-508.

Bathurst, J., & Walton, D. (1998). An Exploration of the Perceptions of the Average Driver’s Speed Compared to Perceived Driver Safety and Driving Skill. Accident Analysis and Prevention, 30, 821-830.
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« Reply #6497 on: January 09, 2013, 01:08:56 PM »
hobhish wrote:

"Oh, please please do you have the source for that? Not that i doubt you; i definitely don't. Gish always says he is a better driver than most people on the road, and i always say Everyone thinks that. I would love to have actual numbers from a qualified source."

The problem is that this study is just apocryphal, as no such study was ever done so nobody can cite it.  I just tell them it comes from the Institute where they figured out (in a different study, of course) that 84.7% of Internet statistics are made up on the spot.

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The 97% (or 93% as I've heard it) statistic seems to be apocryphal, but the phenomenon is real. The cognitive bias in which the vast majority of people tend to rate themselves as above average in any number of domains is called illusory superiority, the Dunning-Kruger Effect, or the Lake Woebegone Effect. Some studies have looked specifically at driving and found that anywhere from 60-90% of people consider themselves above average drivers, either in certain ways (e.g., speed, number of violations) or overall. Here are a few references:

Svenson, O. (1981). Are we all less risky and more skillful than our fellow drivers?. Acta Psychologica, 47(2), 143–148.

McCormick, I. A., Walkey, F. H., & Green, D. E. (1986). Comparative perceptions of driver ability— A confirmation and expansion. Accident Analysis & Prevention, 18(3), 205–208.

Delhomme, P. (1991). Comparing one's driving with others': Assessment of ability and frequency of offenses. Evidence for a superior conformity of self-bias? Accident Analysis & Prevention, 23(6), 493-508.

Bathurst, J., & Walton, D. (1998). An Exploration of the Perceptions of the Average Driver’s Speed Compared to Perceived Driver Safety and Driving Skill. Accident Analysis and Prevention, 30, 821-830.

It seems like counting people who consider themselves above average only in "certain ways" in that statistic kind of makes it worthless. While I have no idea what the actual percentage would be, it seems quite possible for the majority of a population to be above average in at least one aspect of a complex task. Say you have a task that can be divided into parts A, B, and C. If 30% of the population are really good at A (but poor at B and/or C), 30% are really good at B (but poor at A and/or C), and 30% are really good at C (but poor at A and/or B), then you could legitimately have 90% of the population who are above average "in certain ways," even if those 90% are lousy at the overall, combined task. Consistently appropriate use of your headlights doesn't make you an above average driver overall, but it might legitimately make you above average in safe headlight operation. Lumping the two statistics together (above average driver overall vs. above average driver in "certain ways" seems absurd).

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« Reply #6498 on: January 09, 2013, 07:13:29 PM »
hobhish wrote:

"Oh, please please do you have the source for that? Not that i doubt you; i definitely don't. Gish always says he is a better driver than most people on the road, and i always say Everyone thinks that. I would love to have actual numbers from a qualified source."

The problem is that this study is just apocryphal, as no such study was ever done so nobody can cite it.  I just tell them it comes from the Institute where they figured out (in a different study, of course) that 84.7% of Internet statistics are made up on the spot.

Virg

The 97% (or 93% as I've heard it) statistic seems to be apocryphal, but the phenomenon is real. The cognitive bias in which the vast majority of people tend to rate themselves as above average in any number of domains is called illusory superiority, the Dunning-Kruger Effect, or the Lake Woebegone Effect. Some studies have looked specifically at driving and found that anywhere from 60-90% of people consider themselves above average drivers, either in certain ways (e.g., speed, number of violations) or overall. Here are a few references:

Svenson, O. (1981). Are we all less risky and more skillful than our fellow drivers?. Acta Psychologica, 47(2), 143–148.

McCormick, I. A., Walkey, F. H., & Green, D. E. (1986). Comparative perceptions of driver ability— A confirmation and expansion. Accident Analysis & Prevention, 18(3), 205–208.

Delhomme, P. (1991). Comparing one's driving with others': Assessment of ability and frequency of offenses. Evidence for a superior conformity of self-bias? Accident Analysis & Prevention, 23(6), 493-508.

Bathurst, J., & Walton, D. (1998). An Exploration of the Perceptions of the Average Driver’s Speed Compared to Perceived Driver Safety and Driving Skill. Accident Analysis and Prevention, 30, 821-830.

It seems like counting people who consider themselves above average only in "certain ways" in that statistic kind of makes it worthless. While I have no idea what the actual percentage would be, it seems quite possible for the majority of a population to be above average in at least one aspect of a complex task. Say you have a task that can be divided into parts A, B, and C. If 30% of the population are really good at A (but poor at B and/or C), 30% are really good at B (but poor at A and/or C), and 30% are really good at C (but poor at A and/or B), then you could legitimately have 90% of the population who are above average "in certain ways," even if those 90% are lousy at the overall, combined task. Consistently appropriate use of your headlights doesn't make you an above average driver overall, but it might legitimately make you above average in safe headlight operation. Lumping the two statistics together (above average driver overall vs. above average driver in "certain ways" seems absurd).

I was trying to be succint while not implying that all the research actually asked about overall driving skill. Different studies ask different questions. The overall trend is that people rate themselves above average on any driving skill they're asked to rate, whether it's headlight use, adherence to the speed limit, or whatever -- not only general ability.
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« Reply #6499 on: January 09, 2013, 08:30:31 PM »
Okay, I know an Anglophile is someone who loves all things British, but is there a word for someone who loves all things Irish? Or Celtic in general?
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« Reply #6500 on: January 09, 2013, 08:58:47 PM »
Okay, I know an Anglophile is someone who loves all things British, but is there a word for someone who loves all things Irish? Or Celtic in general?

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« Reply #6501 on: January 09, 2013, 09:32:47 PM »
Thank you! :)
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« Reply #6502 on: January 09, 2013, 10:30:22 PM »
I don't know if this is a stupid question, but I need help identifying a plant I read about a while ago that I can't remember the name of. It's from Brazil, small, 6-8 inches, I think, forms a round mound of shorter grass-like leaves with a single tall flower spike coming out of it. The flower spike is topped with a ball of small, daisy-like flowers that look metallic bronze before they're open. You'd think that with that detail I'd be able to name the darn thing, but I just can't. It's driving me crazy!

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« Reply #6503 on: January 10, 2013, 12:27:25 AM »
I don't know if this is a stupid question, but I need help identifying a plant I read about a while ago that I can't remember the name of. It's from Brazil, small, 6-8 inches, I think, forms a round mound of shorter grass-like leaves with a single tall flower spike coming out of it. The flower spike is topped with a ball of small, daisy-like flowers that look metallic bronze before they're open. You'd think that with that detail I'd be able to name the darn thing, but I just can't. It's driving me crazy!

No idea, but is it any of these?

http://utahpictures.com/brazil/Brazilian_Flowers.php



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« Reply #6504 on: January 10, 2013, 06:54:21 AM »
I don't know if this is only in the UK, but on TV when presenters interview someone who does not speak english, how do they understand each other?
The interview is shown as a 2 way conversation, but with each speaking their own language (eg one english, one spanish, with the spanish subtitled for the viewers) with no pauses inbetween. I presume that there is editing involved, but frequently the camera angles are so varied (or interviews are carried out in a moving vehicle) that you can tell there is no interpreter in the near vacinity.

Maybe I have low expectations of the presenters, but I'm sure that most are not sufficiently bi-lingual to accomplish this unaided, or even good enough actors to ignore the invisible translator, or ignore the distraction from the invisible earpiece

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« Reply #6505 on: January 10, 2013, 06:57:04 AM »
Editing.

I believe, in some cases, the interviewer will film all his/her questions separately from the filming of the interviewee's answers.

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« Reply #6506 on: January 10, 2013, 07:59:55 AM »
I don't know if this is a stupid question, but I need help identifying a plant I read about a while ago that I can't remember the name of. It's from Brazil, small, 6-8 inches, I think, forms a round mound of shorter grass-like leaves with a single tall flower spike coming out of it. The flower spike is topped with a ball of small, daisy-like flowers that look metallic bronze before they're open. You'd think that with that detail I'd be able to name the darn thing, but I just can't. It's driving me crazy!

A type of Yucca? We have one but that plant gets about 5 foot tall.  Or maybe Agave.. similar to Yucca but can be much smaller.
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« Reply #6507 on: January 10, 2013, 08:08:18 AM »
I don't know if this is only in the UK, but on TV when presenters interview someone who does not speak english, how do they understand each other?
The interview is shown as a 2 way conversation, but with each speaking their own language (eg one english, one spanish, with the spanish subtitled for the viewers) with no pauses inbetween. I presume that there is editing involved, but frequently the camera angles are so varied (or interviews are carried out in a moving vehicle) that you can tell there is no interpreter in the near vacinity.

Maybe I have low expectations of the presenters, but I'm sure that most are not sufficiently bi-lingual to accomplish this unaided, or even good enough actors to ignore the invisible translator, or ignore the distraction from the invisible earpiece

It may be done by earpiece sometimes. You are hearing (and seeing) the presenter, but the person being interviewed is likely only hearing the interpreter. So if the interpreter has a list of questions from the presenter, they can rattle them off at the same time that the presenter is talking and the person on the other end will appear to understand every word. As an additional bonus, most 'live' segments are shot with a ten-second time delay (minimum) so they can bleep out bad words/etc.

There are some famous (and funny) incidents where TV producers forgot to do that delay and regretted it. ;D
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« Reply #6508 on: January 10, 2013, 08:15:18 AM »
I've seen programs where the host ask the question, say in english, then we hear the translator (as a voice over, the actor has an earpiece) ask the spanish actor the same question in spanish, actor respond in spanish, voice over translate the answer in english or the answer is dubbed in english as he speaks. 

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« Reply #6509 on: January 10, 2013, 09:47:00 AM »
Okay, I know an Anglophile is someone who loves all things British, but is there a word for someone who loves all things Irish? Or Celtic in general?

Edit: Oops sorry had to edit as my SO just informed me that this term is sometimes used as a slur.
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