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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #7500 on: April 24, 2013, 07:45:23 PM »
(edited) People in the SCA are reminded by our Board of Directors to use the words "Middle Ages" and not "medieval" because people with certain accents hear the latter as "mid-evil."  I've heard first-hand accounts from one Baron that a co-worker got very upset about "why they pretended to be even a little bit evil."  Further questioning revealed that the coworker thought the Middle Ages were called "mid-evil" because they WERE moderately evil, because "they didn't know as much about God and Jesus then as we do now."

 :o What?  ??? You've got to be kidding  :'( wait, not everyone is a history minor    :P So you're not kidding.

That the Middle Ages knew less about Christian values or were LESS concerned about religion in daily life really, really amazes me. 

But then I remember a few people I went to school with and I remember that they were amazed that I didn't care about FASHION and thought current events wasn't a synonym for what I called "gossip". 
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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #7501 on: April 24, 2013, 07:47:35 PM »
(edited) People in the SCA are reminded by our Board of Directors to use the words "Middle Ages" and not "medieval" because people with certain accents hear the latter as "mid-evil."  I've heard first-hand accounts from one Baron that a co-worker got very upset about "why they pretended to be even a little bit evil."  Further questioning revealed that the coworker thought the Middle Ages were called "mid-evil" because they WERE moderately evil, because "they didn't know as much about God and Jesus then as we do now."

 :o What?  ??? You've got to be kidding  :'( wait, not everyone is a history minor    :P So you're not kidding.

That the Middle Ages knew less about Christian values or were LESS concerned about religion in daily life really, really amazes me. 

But then I remember a few people I went to school with and I remember that they were amazed that I didn't care about FASHION and thought current events wasn't a synonym for what I called "gossip".

Iím pretty sure these are the same people that eat "freedom fries", "angel eggs", and "jesus food cake".

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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #7502 on: April 24, 2013, 07:50:33 PM »
Ok I never thought anything of the "evil" part to the word, but I've also never heard "medieval" pronounced in some other way that didn't sound like mid-evil.

I just thought that was the word, like how I never thought words the end in a "tion" sound like education, mediation, or celebration had any association with "shun" or shunning someone. I never associated medieval with evil, but its definitely the way the end of the word sounds IME.

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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #7503 on: April 24, 2013, 07:52:41 PM »
(edited) People in the SCA are reminded by our Board of Directors to use the words "Middle Ages" and not "medieval" because people with certain accents hear the latter as "mid-evil."  I've heard first-hand accounts from one Baron that a co-worker got very upset about "why they pretended to be even a little bit evil."  Further questioning revealed that the coworker thought the Middle Ages were called "mid-evil" because they WERE moderately evil, because "they didn't know as much about God and Jesus then as we do now."

 :o What?  ??? You've got to be kidding  :'( wait, not everyone is a history minor    :P So you're not kidding.

That the Middle Ages knew less about Christian values or were LESS concerned about religion in daily life really, really amazes me. 

But then I remember a few people I went to school with and I remember that they were amazed that I didn't care about FASHION and thought current events wasn't a synonym for what I called "gossip".

Iím pretty sure these are the same people that eat "freedom fries", "angel eggs", and "jesus food cake".


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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #7504 on: April 24, 2013, 08:02:49 PM »
Perhaps this is more one for the pronunciation thread, but in my interactions with Americans on various forums I've noticed several of them writing the word 'then' instead of 'than'. For example: 'My car is bigger then yours'.

Are the two words pronounced the same and if so I wonder if so whether people are writing them phonetically? I honestly can't see how the two words could be mixed up any other way and I notice it often enough for it not to be a quirk with one person.

In my experience, they're pronounced exactly the same.
American here. I pronounce them differently but they are close enough that I might  mistakenly type one when I mean the other. Like typing too when I mean to. Or their when I mean there.

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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #7505 on: April 24, 2013, 08:11:45 PM »
Ok I never thought anything of the "evil" part to the word, but I've also never heard "medieval" pronounced in some other way that didn't sound like mid-evil.

I just thought that was the word, like how I never thought words the end in a "tion" sound like education, mediation, or celebration had any association with "shun" or shunning someone. I never associated medieval with evil, but its definitely the way the end of the word sounds IME.

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« Reply #7506 on: April 24, 2013, 11:36:09 PM »
Ok I never thought anything of the "evil" part to the word, but I've also never heard "medieval" pronounced in some other way that didn't sound like mid-evil.

I just thought that was the word, like how I never thought words the end in a "tion" sound like education, mediation, or celebration had any association with "shun" or shunning someone. I never associated medieval with evil, but its definitely the way the end of the word sounds IME.

Same here. I've always pronounced it "mid-evil." I've never heard a difference in pronunciation, either.


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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #7507 on: April 25, 2013, 01:50:17 AM »
It's not a grammar quirk, though, it's using the wrong word all together. That's like saying its a grammar quirk to say blue when you really mean spotted.

Personally I think homophones are grammar quirks.

Two words that are pronounced the same and used similarly (then is an adverb, than is a conjunction... which is a word often used with an adverb), and spelt very similarly, to me is a quirky recipe for grammatical disaster.  :)

They aren't homophones to the rest of us who speak English (Australia here) though. I don't say then and than at all similarly and until 2 minutes ago it didn't occur to me that anyone could mix them up because to me they are two totally separate and distinct words with completely different meanings - to me than is a comparing word (to put it simply) "I'd rather X than Y" and then is used to order things chronologically "I'd rather do X and then do Y". That's a massive oversimplification of course, but just to show my point.

Though in fairness given the number of people over here who mix up their, there and they're I suppose now I know that you guys pronounce them as homophones it shouldn't surprise me...

Yeah, this is what I wasn't understanding. To me it's akin to using 'blue' and 'shoe' interchangeably because they sound a bit similar, even though they mean completely different things.

Similarly, I've noticed a lot of people writing 'thot' instead of 'thought'.

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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #7508 on: April 25, 2013, 03:09:10 AM »
Ok I never thought anything of the "evil" part to the word, but I've also never heard "medieval" pronounced in some other way that didn't sound like mid-evil.

I just thought that was the word, like how I never thought words the end in a "tion" sound like education, mediation, or celebration had any association with "shun" or shunning someone. I never associated medieval with evil, but its definitely the way the end of the word sounds IME.

Same here. I've always pronounced it "mid-evil." I've never heard a difference in pronunciation, either.

I've never heard "mid-evil" as the pronunciation. How odd! I've only ever heard "medi-evil".

It was traditionally spelled "mediaeval" (with that ligature thing that I don't know how to type), so the i and the e should not be run together into a single sound, keeping it as a four-syllable word. It's from the Latin, medium aevum, literally "middle age". Nothing to do with evil, although I like that idea more. It implies a "maxevil" age, or something, and I'd love to know when that was.

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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #7509 on: April 25, 2013, 03:11:28 AM »
Ok I never thought anything of the "evil" part to the word, but I've also never heard "medieval" pronounced in some other way that didn't sound like mid-evil.

I just thought that was the word, like how I never thought words the end in a "tion" sound like education, mediation, or celebration had any association with "shun" or shunning someone. I never associated medieval with evil, but its definitely the way the end of the word sounds IME.

Same here. I've always pronounced it "mid-evil." I've never heard a difference in pronunciation, either.

I've never heard "mid-evil" as the pronunciation. How odd! I've only ever heard "medi-evil".

It was traditionally spelled "mediaeval" (with that ligature thing that I don't know how to type), so the i and the e should not be run together into a single sound, keeping it as a four-syllable word. It's from the Latin, medium aevum, literally "middle age". Nothing to do with evil, although I like that idea more. It implies a "maxevil" age, or something, and I'd love to know when that was.

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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #7510 on: April 25, 2013, 03:56:21 AM »
Similarly, I've noticed a lot of people writing 'thot' instead of 'thought'.

Is that worse or just as bad as "I should of known"?

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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #7511 on: April 25, 2013, 04:16:16 AM »
Ok I never thought anything of the "evil" part to the word, but I've also never heard "medieval" pronounced in some other way that didn't sound like mid-evil.

I just thought that was the word, like how I never thought words the end in a "tion" sound like education, mediation, or celebration had any association with "shun" or shunning someone. I never associated medieval with evil, but its definitely the way the end of the word sounds IME.

Same here. I've always pronounced it "mid-evil." I've never heard a difference in pronunciation, either.

I've never heard "mid-evil" as the pronunciation. How odd! I've only ever heard "medi-evil".

It was traditionally spelled "mediaeval" (with that ligature thing that I don't know how to type), so the i and the e should not be run together into a single sound, keeping it as a four-syllable word. It's from the Latin, medium aevum, literally "middle age". Nothing to do with evil, although I like that idea more. It implies a "maxevil" age, or something, and I'd love to know when that was.

The '80s. Did you SEE those perms? Work of the devil, every one of them.

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« Reply #7512 on: April 25, 2013, 05:47:26 AM »
I've never heard "mid-evil" as the pronunciation. How odd! I've only ever heard "medi-evil".

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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #7513 on: April 25, 2013, 07:21:37 AM »


While as Mental Magpie notes, itís not just the accent, it can be not knowing, my SO, with his central NY accent does not pronounce them differently, and as much as I correct him (and all his teachers, etc), he says that he just canít grasp the difference in writing, because he says them the same. With my midwest accent, they sound different.

Hey this is exciting a word pronunciation difference that I make. (pen/pin and Mary/merry/marry are all the same - and since one of these is my given name, I'd be sensitive to it.  I did receive school Valentines to both Merry and Marry at different times :))

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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #7514 on: April 25, 2013, 08:22:16 AM »
Perhaps this is more one for the pronunciation thread, but in my interactions with Americans on various forums I've noticed several of them writing the word 'then' instead of 'than'. For example: 'My car is bigger then yours'.

Are the two words pronounced the same and if so I wonder if so whether people are writing them phonetically? I honestly can't see how the two words could be mixed up any other way and I notice it often enough for it not to be a quirk with one person.
I'm an American who pronounces these words differently.  Then has an e sound.  Than has an a sound.  I don't notice when people say both of them with an e sound but I'd find it odd for someone to pronounce Then with an a sound.  I learned how to pronounce and spell them in school in south Jersey (southern New Jersey ;D).  I've tried to explain the spelling difference to my mid-western DH but he can never remember which is which.  I've wondered about this because I think that he pronounces them slightly different too.